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    Calories in = Calories out.... I don’t think so

    I’ve started counting my calories back in june, however my foods consisted of subway, pizza, wings, sandwitches.... etc. Basically foods that weren’t healthy or lean, but it was all still 2500 calories... barely noticed any difference in my weight, waist size, clothes, and i was sluggish throughout the day.


    Decided to cut out the bull**** and actually eat lean foods, my everyday consists of tuna, salmon, chicken, rice, steak, avocados, eggs, cereal, yogurt etc...

    Im still eating 2500 calories, and some days even more and I’ve seen waaaay better results. I also feel like all the food isnt just going straight to by belly. Hard to explain but think of it this way ... 2 salmon fillets and two scoops of whey have around 700 calories... a subway footlong has around 700-800 but the subway will have you feeling like you just had thanksgiving dinner... the salmon will not

    Is the whole “calories in / out” just another myth? By this logic everybody can eat a box of pizza a day and maintain their weight
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    Originally Posted by Merc009 View Post
    I’ve started counting my calories back in june, however my foods consisted of subway, pizza, wings, sandwitches.... etc. Basically foods that weren’t healthy or lean, but it was all still 2500 calories... barely noticed any difference in my weight, waist size, clothes, and i was sluggish throughout the day.


    Decided to cut out the bull**** and actually eat lean foods, my everyday consists of tuna, salmon, chicken, rice, steak, avocados, eggs, cereal, yogurt etc...

    Im still eating 2500 calories, and some days even more and I’ve seen waaaay better results. I also feel like all the food isnt just going straight to by belly. Hard to explain but think of it this way ... 2 salmon fillets and two scoops of whey have around 700 calories... a subway footlong has around 700-800 but the subway will have you feeling like you just had thanksgiving dinner... the salmon will not

    Is the whole “calories in / out” just another myth? By this logic everybody can eat a box of pizza a day and maintain their weight
    Yes, if the amount of that = what you are expending

    However a whole pizza (NYC pizza, not like the LA crap pizza here where I live) is likely too high of calories for the average person to expend
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    This has been beaten into the ground 1000 times.

    Do we really need another thread on this?

    And to your random question: a foot long sub is way more total food volume than two salmon fillets and two protein shakes. Of course you’ll feel fuller.

    As to feeling ‘bloated’, I don’t think most people share that response. I could easily eat a foot long sub and feel totally great.
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    Keep in mind when you're eating subway, pizza, wings, and sandwiches, or any food that you're getting from a restaurant where portion sizes can vary greatly based on who is preparing the food and the amounts they use (trust me they are nowhere near consistent), you will get vastly different results in your calories. That can easily mean the difference between 2500 and 3000 calories over the course of a days worth of food.

    I eat subway 3 times a week and I'm currently cutting and have had no problem maintaining a 2 lb per week rate of loss. However, I always pad my Subway calorie totals just a bit because I dont trust their nutrition menu and the portions are always hit or miss as I stated above. I usually get their rotisserie or oven roasted chicken and load it with vegetables, no cheese, no mayo, and mustard only. Thats an easy way for me to eat a lunch that doesn't bust my calories for the day.

    A calorie is a calorie, its a unit of energy. But yes its true that not all FOOD is created equal. Your body will generally feel and function better if you ate 2500 calories of nutritious whole foods vice 2500 calories of pizza and wings.
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    No wonder you are seeing way better results on your lean food choices as you aren't eating it.

    If it ain't going to your belly where else are you putting it? There is only one route from your mouth so I hate to think what you are doing!

    Calories are what matter not mystical feelings.
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    Originally Posted by Merc009 View Post
    I’ve started counting my calories back in june, however my foods consisted of subway, pizza, wings, sandwitches.... etc. Basically foods that weren’t healthy or lean, but it was all still 2500 calories... barely noticed any difference in my weight, waist size, clothes, and i was sluggish throughout the day.


    Decided to cut out the bull**** and actually eat lean foods, my everyday consists of tuna, salmon, chicken, rice, steak, avocados, eggs, cereal, yogurt etc...

    Im still eating 2500 calories, and some days even more and I’ve seen waaaay better results. I also feel like all the food isnt just going straight to by belly. Hard to explain but think of it this way ... 2 salmon fillets and two scoops of whey have around 700 calories... a subway footlong has around 700-800 but the subway will have you feeling like you just had thanksgiving dinner... the salmon will not

    Is the whole “calories in / out” just another myth? By this logic everybody can eat a box of pizza a day and maintain their weight
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    CICO determines weight fluctuations, but macro content will play a large role in determining how much of that is fat/lean tissue.
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    I suspect that "junk" food and take-away style food has a greater amount of sodium in it than whole foods that you prepare yourself. I can eat a take-away and gain 3 pounds overnight in water weight.

    Also, as the nutritional information on foods is an approximation to a degree, I suspect the margin of error becomes even greater on take-away food. For example I don't think Subway weigh the butter before buttering your sandwhich.

    > By this logic everybody can eat a box of pizza a day and maintain their weight

    I'm pretty sure I could maintain my current weight eating nothing but pizza, providing I don't eat too much or too little of it. Can you gain muscle, or lose fat but maintain strength and energy levels, eating nothing but pizza - probably not.
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    Originally Posted by Merc009 View Post
    Decided to cut out the bull**** and actually eat lean foods
    Originally Posted by Merc009 View Post
    my everyday consists of tuna, salmon, chicken, rice, steak, avocados, eggs, cereal, yogurt etc...
    Much lean. Very understanding of the basics.
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    The previous diet you were taking in way more calories than you thought. Nothing new here. This has been discussed hundreds of time here and will be discussed hundes of more times. The answer never changes however each poster SWEARS that they are different. It gets almost comical.
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    Originally Posted by xsquid99 View Post
    Keep in mind when you're eating subway, pizza, wings, and sandwiches, or any food that you're getting from a restaurant where portion sizes can vary greatly based on who is preparing the food and the amounts they use (trust me they are nowhere near consistent), you will get vastly different results in your calories. That can easily mean the difference between 2500 and 3000 calories over the course of a days worth of food.

    I eat subway 3 times a week and I'm currently cutting and have had no problem maintaining a 2 lb per week rate of loss. However, I always pad my Subway calorie totals just a bit because I dont trust their nutrition menu and the portions are always hit or miss as I stated above. I usually get their rotisserie or oven roasted chicken and load it with vegetables, no cheese, no mayo, and mustard only. Thats an easy way for me to eat a lunch that doesn't bust my calories for the day.

    A calorie is a calorie, its a unit of energy. But yes its true that not all FOOD is created equal. Your body will generally feel and function better if you ate 2500 calories of nutritious whole foods vice 2500 calories of pizza and wings.
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    Originally Posted by Vassilis30 View Post
    Calories in - calories out does work for WEIGHT changes. Macros dictate muscle/fat loss/gains. So...
    It's not quite so simple. I could be hitting macro minimums easy but not provided myself enough calories (maybe someone with a very high TDEE and still not build muscle). Or I could be eating perfect macros but just too much, therefor I get fat.

    I think it's difficult if not impossible in nutrition to ever say X is what does Y, because everything matters to some degree. There just happens to be a hierarchy of importance.

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    Originally Posted by Jcart159 View Post
    It's not quite so simple. I could be hitting macro minimums easy but not provided myself enough calories (maybe someone with a very high TDEE and still not build muscle). Or I could be eating perfect macros but just too much, therefor I get fat.

    I think it's difficult if not impossible in nutrition to ever say X is what does Y, because everything matters to some degree. There just happens to be a hierarchy of importance.

    Eric Helm's pyramid of importance in this video series has been the most simplified way I have ever seen things drawn up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAvW6xBZjSk
    If you're getting fat then you aren't eating perfect macros. It's not like there isn't basically perfect correlation between macros and calories (save for things like fiber, sugar alcohol, etc) so your caloric goals and macro goals are heavily linked.
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    If you're getting fat then you aren't eating perfect macros. It's not like there isn't basically perfect correlation between macros and calories (save for things like fiber, sugar alcohol, etc) so your caloric goals and macro goals are heavily linked.
    What to you defines perfect macros?
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    Unless you’re REALLY off with your macros, calories will always be the determining factor on fat loss and body composition. This eliminates the what if i eat only Skittles and Twinkies argument
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    Calories in vs calories out is not a myth
    Not all calories are created equal.

    Also humans are not closed systems. We are open systems. the 1st law of thermodynamics applies but the 2nd law is more detailed for humans.
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    Originally Posted by GeneralSerpant View Post
    What to you defines perfect macros?
    Well I was commenting on Jcart who first brought in the subject of perfect macros but my definition of perfect macros would be hitting the proper amounts of proteins and fats while keeping overall macros to a level that would fit your goal. Aka, if you're trying to lose weight then your overall macros would be lower than the same person trying to gain weight.
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    What jumps out at me about these threads is that OP rarely / never hangs around to discuss. What’s up with that?

    I think it’s reasonable to predict that eating healthier foods (less processed, better macro and micro profiles) will result in increased energy output.
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    Originally Posted by rtpmarine View Post
    What jumps out at me about these threads is that OP rarely / never hangs around to discuss. What’s up with that?
    They get piled on, get discouraged, don't want to continue. Don't blame them lol
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    Originally Posted by Merc009 View Post
    I’ve started counting my calories back in june, however my foods consisted of subway, pizza, wings, sandwitches.... etc. Basically foods that weren’t healthy or lean, but it was all still 2500 calories... barely noticed any difference in my weight, waist size, clothes, and i was sluggish throughout the day.


    Decided to cut out the bull**** and actually eat lean foods, my everyday consists of tuna, salmon, chicken, rice, steak, avocados, eggs, cereal, yogurt etc...

    Im still eating 2500 calories, and some days even more and I’ve seen waaaay better results. I also feel like all the food isnt just going straight to by belly. Hard to explain but think of it this way ... 2 salmon fillets and two scoops of whey have around 700 calories... a subway footlong has around 700-800 but the subway will have you feeling like you just had thanksgiving dinner... the salmon will not

    Is the whole “calories in / out” just another myth? By this logic everybody can eat a box of pizza a day and maintain their weight
    Yea, food is created equal. Kinda. 3 Mcdonalds cheeseburgers = 1500 calories, awesome protein, carb and fat ratios. Or eat 5 salmon filets and 2 pounds of salad for the same calories and carb ratios, but less “fat” and more minerals. Look at me, i enjoy my food and eat cheeseburgers and drink beer whenever i want. i’ve got a 6 pack and i’m old. Or you can torture yourself counting calories and macronutrients.
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