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09-25-2019, 08:57 AM #91
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09-25-2019, 09:08 AM #92
What are you even trying to say? Speak, man! How is this relevant to my post at all?
If that last comment was a dig at me (unclear what you are attempting to say, so who knows)....I never claimed to be a scientist in the climate field. I'm not (and I'm sure you aren't either). This has nothing to do with anything lol. I do acknowledge what the actual scientists in the field are saying though.....
Hilariously, it appears there are mathematicians listed in the signatories, took me about 3 seconds to find one:
Ulrich H. Gerlach, Professor of Mathematics, Ohio State University, USA
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09-25-2019, 09:11 AM #93
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09-25-2019, 09:14 AM #95
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09-25-2019, 09:17 AM #96
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09-25-2019, 09:17 AM #97
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09-25-2019, 09:22 AM #98
This is missing the point. These people are being referenced to give the premise of the letter more "official" backing- from people who are supposedly involved in the relevant field (the actual words from the letter: 'more than 500 knowledgeable and experienced scientists and professionals in climate and related fields.'). This backing goes right out the window when you learn that the signee is an audio engineer instead of an actual scientist in the climate field.
I will argue that someone like a pharmacologist or audio engineer is almost certainly not an expert in atmospheric physics etc (tell me they are well versed in say, the differential equations of fluid mechanics considered in atmospheric physics). But this is besides the point: the letter- and essentially, this thread- is attempting to pass these people off as expert scientists in the field, laughably.∫∫ Mathematics crew ∑∑
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09-25-2019, 09:26 AM #99
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09-25-2019, 09:37 AM #102
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09-25-2019, 09:45 AM #104
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There are many people who have taken up climate science as a sort of hobby. Stephen McIntyre, eg, a retired statistician found something funny looking in Mann's Hockey Stick. He proceeded to do his own analysis and debunked the whole thing. Here is his website: https://climateaudit.org/ You will find on this website, a bunch of hobbyists reviewing and analyzing various climate scare papers. Since you're a numbers guy, you may be able to contribute yourself, if your statistics game is strong.
I don't know all the people who signed off on this nor do I know their interests. I do know it real easy to broad brush someone as inconsequential.* Trad Archery Crew
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09-25-2019, 09:54 AM #105
This is not really responding to the point of my post. The intent of the letter is to demonstrate a backing of scientists relevant to a climate related field. When it's quoted ''more than 500 knowledgeable and experienced scientists and professionals in climate and related fields.", one's first thought isn't...."wow, imagine all those hobbyists backing up the premise of this letter". No, the idea is that a significant portion of climate scientists is questioning climate change. It is this reason why the letter, and this thread, are both laughable. All it takes is a glance at the signees (and for that matter, the person writing the letter) to see what's going on.
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09-25-2019, 09:56 AM #106
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09-25-2019, 09:59 AM #107
So one side says its a big issue and needs to be dealt with sooner than later
The other side says its not an issue and we should do nothing and let corporations pollute everything in sight
Another side who says its natural and good for the earth
I think every one is just braindead. It isnt hard to not pollute the earth, and if you find it hard, then it means you arent doing your job properly and should be replaced by someone capable.PUBG - X1
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09-25-2019, 10:01 AM #108
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09-25-2019, 10:04 AM #109
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09-25-2019, 10:11 AM #110
Cook et. al is one paper out of several consensus surveys on man's effect on climate. It is not the only one that finds 90%+ consensus among climate scientists - in fact they pretty much all do. Several independent papers find consensus of 97%+ - Oreskes 2004, Doran and Zimmerman 2009, Anderegg et al 2010 to name some.
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09-25-2019, 10:11 AM #111
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09-25-2019, 10:17 AM #112
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09-25-2019, 10:24 AM #113
I quoted SS's review article that summarised several different papers on consensus (6 of which were published by independent researchers, not Cook) and only because that other poster brought up SS.
The 90%+ consensus on AGW is thoroughly supported in the literature, and there are even multiple papers outside of Cook's that found a 97%+ consensus. Sorry if this upsets you but facts don't care about conservitard feelings.Misc Crypto Crew
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09-25-2019, 10:25 AM #114
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09-25-2019, 10:51 AM #115
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09-25-2019, 11:24 AM #116
Sorry, but I cited you three independent papers above that replicate Cook's findings of 97%+ (even if there were some errors in Cook's methodology) and there are many more that arrive at figures in the 90%+ camp, and exactly zero papers that find a high level of skepticism. That's a comprehensive data set that you can't just wish away because it contradicts your dumbass opinions.
No one is taking Cook's study itself as gospel - but all of the rest of the data on the subject find similar results, which means the issue of whether climate scientists generally find the evidence for AGW compelling or not, isn't up for debate at this point.Misc Crypto Crew
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09-25-2019, 12:20 PM #117
Actually the "97%" number came from him since it was his team of 'reviewers' that miscategorized thousands of papers.
Funny you cant deny where the 'consensus' comes from and is completely fake but you keep quoting it as real.
If you even remotely read the report you would realize that 2/3 of the papers out of the 12,000 were relabeled as 'pro man made climate change' when the researches who wrote the papers said otherwise.
Sorry if you think you know more than the people who wrote the studies but you don't... You cant quote their studies as proof of climate change and then deny them when they say the quote was wrong... Doesn't work like that son.MAGA One day at a time.
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09-25-2019, 12:35 PM #118
https://www.pnas.org/content/107/27/12107
Here is another paper that comes to the exact same 97-98% figure as Cook's paper - and this was a direct analysis of actively publishing climate researchers with a minimum of 20 published papers in the field, and their explicit support/rejection of IPCC conclusions on climate change.
There are numerous other papers that find consensus in the 90+% range.
There are zero papers that demonstrate a high level of skepticism among climate scientists, and certainly not the garbage in the OP.
Take your L and move on.Misc Crypto Crew
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09-25-2019, 12:53 PM #119
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09-25-2019, 12:58 PM #120
https://link.springer.com/article/10...191-013-9647-9
Only 0.3%, not 97%.
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