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    Lightbulb Elizabeth Warren’s first priority as president: ending government corruption

    I'm liking her more and more. If not Sanders, i'd support Warren. Sanders/Warren 2020.

    Warren’s bold plan to crack down on corruption in Washington, explained.
    https://www.vox.com/2019/9/16/208672...orruption-bill

    Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) just previewed the first major piece of legislation she’d try to pass through Congress if elected president: a vast anti-corruption package to crack down on the entrenched culture of lobbying in Washington, DC.

    Here are the key points of Warren’s plan:

    -A lifetime lobbying ban for presidents, vice presidents, members of Congress, federal judges, and Cabinet secretaries.

    -Applying conflict-of-interest laws to the president and vice president, requiring them to place businesses into a blind trust to be sold off. They would also have to place assets that could present a conflict of interest — including real estate — in a blind trust and sell them off.

    -Multi-year lobbying bans for federal employees (both Congressional staffers and employees of federal agencies). The span of time would be at least two years and six years for those wishing to become corporate lobbyists.

    -Banning members of Congress and senior congressional staff from serving on corporate boards. The plan would also ban senior administration officials and members of Congress from serving on for-profit boards, no matter if they receive compensation for it or not.

    -Ban lobbyists from all fundraising activities, including political fundraisers or campaign bundling, and strengthen criminal anti-corruption statutes by redefining an “official act” to make politicians unable to accept gifts or payments in exchange for government action.

    -Requiring the IRS to release eight years of tax returns for all presidential and vice-presidential candidates as well as requiring them to release tax returns during each year in office. The IRS would also have to release two years of tax returns for members of Congress, and require them to release tax returns for each lawmaker’s year in office.

    -Banning members of Congress, Cabinet secretaries, federal judges, White House staff, senior congressional staff, and other officials from owning or trading individual stocks while in office.

    -Changing the rulemaking process of federal agencies to severely restrict the ability of corporations or industry to delay or influence rulemaking. Warren’s plan would restrict studies funded by groups with conflict-of-interest problems being considered in the rulemaking process, unless they go under a lengthy peer review.

    -Broadening the definition of a “thing of value” in campaign finance laws to go beyond money. Under the new definition, it could include opposition research from foreign governments.

    -Creating a new independent US Office of Public Integrity, which would enforce the nation’s ethics laws and investigate any potential violations. The office would also try to strengthen open records laws, making records more easily accessible to the public and the press.

    -Banning forced arbitration clauses and class action waivers for all employment, consumer protection, antitrust, and civil rights cases.

    -Boosting transparency in certain court cases by prohibiting courts from using sealed settlements to conceal evidence in cases that involve public health or safety.
    'Many previous attempts to pass anti-corruption laws have focused on Congress or the executive branch, but Warren’s plan would up transparency requirements for the judicial branch as well. She’d extend the code of conduct for federal judges to those on the US Supreme Court (they’re currently exempt). Warren’s plan would also make it so that federal judges under investigation couldn’t escape inquiries by stepping down from their posts.

    “Our federal court system only works if the American people have faith that it is neutrally dispensing fair-minded justice without bias or personal interests interfering in judicial decisions,” Warren said. “If we want the American people to believe this, we need some serious judicial ethics reforms.”'
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    So her first act as president will be to step down?
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    she cannot even answer the question if her plan will raise taxes
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    i'm no civics professor, but as a senator she could introduce this at any time....

    why does she need to be president?
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    A government official, inside an inherit corrupt system, whose plan is to stay as long as she can, is promising me she will end corruption? Then she needs to write legislation dissolving her chamber.
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    She has a net worth of 12 million dollars. What does Bernie think of that?
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    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    i'm no civics professor, but as a senator she could introduce this at any time....

    why does she need to be president?
    She did release a similar bill in August 2018 according to the article. As to your question:

    if Warren were elected president and House Democrats hung onto their majority in 2020, she’d have a willing partner to try to get this legislation passed. Of course, the bill’s future would depend on whether Democrats could also take back the Senate; current Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has vowed to be the “grim reaper” of HR 1 as well as a number of other Democratic policy priorities.

    Warren may be able to enact some of these changes through executive action. But in order to enact as broad a plan as she envisions — one that touches all three branches of government — she’d need buy-in from the House and Senate.
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    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    i'm no civics professor, but as a senator she could introduce this at any time....

    why does she need to be president?
    Reminds me of when Hillary was proposing campaign finance reform, while running the most expensive campaign in history......
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    Originally Posted by scheal View Post
    And as a transgendered Canadian, no one really cares what you think
    no one cares what you think, because you never say anything remotely interesting.
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    LOL if you think any of this will happen if she's president. How would she give kickbacks to all her cronies?

    Also, I like that IRS thing...would a Democrat ever be able to run for office again?
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    Can Warren explain why liberal cities have some of the highest levels of corruption?
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    She did release a similar bill in August 2018 according to the article. As to your question:
    we shall see

    "drain the swamp" and "end corruption" are nice media sound bites, but I have a feeling it's a lot different when you're writing up legislation

    Trump and trumpers got that lesson, Dems probably will too if they ever get the majority back
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    rat politician tellls people what they want to hear during an election? color me shocked.
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    So she's ending herself?

    I can support that.
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    Does anyone have issue with any of her proposals specifically? Maybe we could encourage some intelligent discussion rather than emotional one-liners.
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    Does anyone have issue with any of her proposals specifically? Maybe we could encourage some intelligent discussion rather than emotional one-liners.
    How exactly would this end corruption in politics?
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    Does anyone have issue with any of her proposals specifically? Maybe we could encourage some intelligent discussion rather than emotional one-liners.
    IDK, but I'm not inclined to believe that a person that was so corrupt they pretended to be a minority is going to end corruption...
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    Does anyone have issue with any of her proposals specifically? Maybe we could encourage some intelligent discussion rather than emotional one-liners.
    -Creating a new independent US Office of Public Integrity, which would enforce the nation’s ethics laws and investigate any potential violations. The office would also try to strengthen open records laws, making records more easily accessible to the public and the press.

    Just another level of bureaucracy that the politicians will use to **** over American citizens and do absolutely zero to fix any actual issues. And I bet it costs a lot of money to run, too!
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    Originally Posted by ImpressiveGainz View Post
    -Creating a new independent US Office of Public Integrity, which would enforce the nation’s ethics laws and investigate any potential violations. The office would also try to strengthen open records laws, making records more easily accessible to the public and the press.

    Just another level of bureaucracy that the politicians will use to **** over American citizens and do absolutely zero to fix any actual issues. And I bet it costs a lot of money to run, too!
    I am skeptical of the bureaucracy as well. But sometimes these independent agencies need to exist because there's nothing else that fill that role. For example we don't complain about internal affairs acting as oversight to the various police departments. We don't typically complain that they cost a lot of money because they serve a crucial role in society by policing the police.

    I believe government should be effective and efficient, transparent and accountable. Working for the people, not a small group of capitalists with no allegiance to the country.
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    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    i'm no civics professor, but as a senator she could introduce this at any time....

    why does she need to be president?
    This. AOC got taken to school on this a few months ago.

    She's currently a Senator. She's actually in a better position now to push this through than she would be as President.

    You should actually support her less because of this.
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    Originally Posted by Dan_S View Post
    This. AOC got taken to school on this a few months ago.

    She's currently a Senator. She's actually in a better position now to push this through than she would be as President.

    You should actually support her less because of this.
    This.

    Sounds familiar to Bernie claiming that he has a plan to create millions of jobs but you have to elect him first.

    Biden will cure cancer but you have to elect him first.
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    Originally Posted by goody1 View Post
    This.

    Sounds familiar to Bernie claiming that he has a plan to create millions of jobs but you have to elect him first.

    Biden will cure cancer but you have to elect him first.

    In 2020 kickoff, Trump promises cancer, AIDS cures if elected





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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    In 2020 kickoff, Trump promises cancer, AIDS cures





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    Where did I say that was different? Politicians promise the world when they are campaigning. What Trump said was stupid. Same with Biden, Bernie and now Warren. Obama promised pretty much the same thing. Get rid of the lobbyists and have the most transparent presidency.
    Politicians that have spent their entire life in congress and the senate have all these great plans but can only implement them if you vote them in as president.
    Doesn’t sound like they are looking out for their current constituents.

    Of topic. I can’t imagine how pathetic your life is to have such a strong interest in another countries politics.
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    Originally Posted by goody1 View Post
    Politicians that have spent their entire life in congress and the senate have all these great plans but can only implement them if you vote them in as president.
    I understand that you're disenfranchised because Trump lied to you, hasn't built a single mile of new fencing, hasn't secured the border, hasn't made America great again, etc. But sometimes politicians actually go through with what they campaign on, sometimes the establishment makes it harder (like Obama ending Gitmo, Trump building a wall).

    Bernie Sanders fought against the free trade deals like NAFTA that sent over a million American jobs overseas and to Mexico so the corporations could maximize profits. Had people listened to Bernie, the economy would likely be doing far better now and far stronger as a foundation.

    Miners union president: 'Coal's not back. Nobody saved the coal industry.'
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/05/polit...ack/index.html


    In 2011 while speaking on the Senate floor, Bernie reminded his colleagues that Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) claimed in 1993 that “American firms will not move to Mexico just for lower wages.” Bernie then pointed out how over the next ten years after the passing of NAFTA, Mattel, Lexmark International, Texas Instruments, General Electric, Tyco Electronics, and Levi Strauss laid off a total of 3,176 employees and shifted their production to Mexico.

    Recent reports and studies have shown that because of NAFTA Americans have lost over 680,000 jobs. One report estimates the job loss as a result of NAFTA is 950,000. A senior economist at EPI stated the following about the disastrous results from NAFTA: “The growing U.S. trade deficit with Mexico has displaced a large number of jobs in the United States and is a significant contributor to the current crisis in U.S. manufacturing, which lost 5.6 million jobs between February 2000 and February 2011.”
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    This will move swiftly through Congress.
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    I understand that you're disenfranchised because Trump lied to you, hasn't built a single mile of new fencing, hasn't secured the border, hasn't made America great again, etc. But sometimes politicians actually go through with what they campaign on, sometimes the establishment makes it harder (like Obama ending Gitmo, Trump building a wall).

    Bernie Sanders fought against the free trade deals like NAFTA that sent over a million American jobs overseas and to Mexico so the corporations could maximize profits. Had people listened to Bernie, the economy would likely be doing far better now and far stronger as a foundation.

    Miners union president: 'Coal's not back. Nobody saved the coal industry.'
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/05/polit...ack/index.html


    In 2011 while speaking on the Senate floor, Bernie reminded his colleagues that Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) claimed in 1993 that “American firms will not move to Mexico just for lower wages.” Bernie then pointed out how over the next ten years after the passing of NAFTA, Mattel, Lexmark International, Texas Instruments, General Electric, Tyco Electronics, and Levi Strauss laid off a total of 3,176 employees and shifted their production to Mexico.

    Recent reports and studies have shown that because of NAFTA Americans have lost over 680,000 jobs. One report estimates the job loss as a result of NAFTA is 950,000. A senior economist at EPI stated the following about the disastrous results from NAFTA: “The growing U.S. trade deficit with Mexico has displaced a large number of jobs in the United States and is a significant contributor to the current crisis in U.S. manufacturing, which lost 5.6 million jobs between February 2000 and February 2011.”
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    This will move swiftly through Congress.
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    I understand that you're disenfranchised because Trump lied to you, hasn't built a single mile of new fencing, hasn't secured the border, hasn't made America great again, etc. But sometimes politicians actually go through with what they campaign on, sometimes the establishment makes it harder (like Obama ending Gitmo, Trump building a wall).

    Bernie Sanders fought against the free trade deals like NAFTA that sent over a million American jobs overseas and to Mexico so the corporations could maximize profits. Had people listened to Bernie, the economy would likely be doing far better now and far stronger as a foundation.

    Miners union president: 'Coal's not back. Nobody saved the coal industry.'
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/05/polit...ack/index.html


    In 2011 while speaking on the Senate floor, Bernie reminded his colleagues that Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) claimed in 1993 that “American firms will not move to Mexico just for lower wages.” Bernie then pointed out how over the next ten years after the passing of NAFTA, Mattel, Lexmark International, Texas Instruments, General Electric, Tyco Electronics, and Levi Strauss laid off a total of 3,176 employees and shifted their production to Mexico.

    Recent reports and studies have shown that because of NAFTA Americans have lost over 680,000 jobs. One report estimates the job loss as a result of NAFTA is 950,000. A senior economist at EPI stated the following about the disastrous results from NAFTA: “The growing U.S. trade deficit with Mexico has displaced a large number of jobs in the United States and is a significant contributor to the current crisis in U.S. manufacturing, which lost 5.6 million jobs between February 2000 and February 2011.”
    None of your usual copy and paste contradicts anything I said.
    Bernie just recently promised to create 10s of millions of jobs. But only if you vote for him.
    Why not work on creating those jobs now? By creating 10s of millions of jobs he would be a shoe in for president.
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