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    Fukkin arteta.

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    Still rather have Mike Cashley than the Glazers, who have sucked out over £1billion in interest and dividends since they came in 2005. Imagine where United would be if that was spent on players
    I guess wasted opportunity can be as bad as no opportunity at all.

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    Fukkin hell. Josip Ilicic went back to slovenia to surprise his wife and found her cheating on him. He won't be playing against PSG (biggest game os his career).

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    'He's the best in the world right now': Rio Ferdinand heaps praise on Liverpool defender Virgil van Dijk as he names his top five centre-backs in Premier League history

    Other 4 CB included Vidic, Terry, Sol Campbell, & Kompany
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    Originally Posted by frezKo View Post
    Fukkin hell. Josip Ilicic went back to slovenia to surprise his wife and found her cheating on him. He won't be playing against PSG (biggest game os his career).

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    Harrogate Town have finally made it into Leauge 2 in Enland for the first time ever in 106 years!!

    Having a Town like Harrogate in the Leauge is'nt the normal kind of place - it's full of hob kno*s and money - like thing a rich rich suberb of Miami or L.A reaching the main Leauges in America!!

    It probably costs £5 for a decent Coffee or Tea there - what with institutions like the World Renowned Betty's Tea Rooms etc. Still as a honoury-ily born guy in God's Own County I wish them all the very very best luck!!
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    Sol Campbell does not deserve to be in any top 5 list

    Rio > Sol in every way (Rio kicked him out the England team, had a better career and was just a better player)

    In terms of ability at their prime Stamn > Sol Campbell as well
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    Originally Posted by frezKo View Post
    Fukkin hell. Josip Ilicic went back to slovenia to surprise his wife and found her cheating on him. He won't be playing against PSG (biggest game os his career).

    The slooot? a solid 4.3/10

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    The only thing we are confused about is why you are so attracted to Messi over Ronaldo, must be a midget fetish? All I can say is I dont want to ever see your internet history, but please keep the football discussion to those of us that actually base it on their achievements and abilities
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    Juve would have finished outside top 4 if CR7 didn't join them, that team has fallen apart so quickly over recent years.
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Sol Campbell does not deserve to be in any top 5 list

    Rio > Sol in every way (Rio kicked him out the England team, had a better career and was just a better player)

    In terms of ability at their prime Stamn > Sol Campbell as well
    Sol was actually so so solid. I think Rio jusyt wasn't picking himself. Staam unfortunately wasn't in the league long enough
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    Juve would have finished outside top 4 if CR7 didn't join them, that team has fallen apart so quickly over recent years.
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    who you got for "the richest game" tonight brahs?

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    Originally Posted by tehgosu View Post
    I was thinking Fulham but then I saw the bookies got Brentford as the favorites, interedersting
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    Originally Posted by tehgosu View Post
    I was thinking Fulham but then I saw the bookies got Brentford as the favorites, interedersting
    I think they prob are - though am slightly suprised tbh
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    Juve would have finished outside top 4 if CR7 didn't join them, that team has fallen apart so quickly over recent years.
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post

    Juve would have finished outside top 4 if CR7 didn't join them, that team has fallen apart so quickly over recent years.
    Cristiano had 18 goals from open play out of 285 shots, 1 free kick, and 12 penalties. The penalties are hiding the fact that this is quite literally one of his worst ever seasons. Juve was always going to win this league, with or without Ronaldo, if they didn't purchase him, i'm sure they would have found someone else to bang in penalties and tap ins...

    As an example... Lukaku (who's not one of the best) scored the same amount of open play goals as ronaldo this year yet he only took 93 shots.

    Quagliarella is another example.. He was 36 years old last year and playing on a terrible team, yet he scored 26 goals, 18 of which were from open play. He only took 140 shots, while it took Ronaldo 285 shots to score the same amount of open play goals.

    The reason why Juve isn't playing well is because the Juve Board hasn't bought into Sarri's demands, and frankly I'm not convinced with Sarri's quality anyways. This team is going the way of Barcelona, indecisive board who's not sure what to do next.

    Also.. Dybala should be on that list.
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    1-0 Fulham last minute of first ET

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    They was'nt that far out (Brentford) but far enough!!!

    As an old adage I know though .... itgoes "if I had been boiling an Egg that long ... I'd be knackerd" and after 73 years trying to gottan back to the top tier, wel brentford must be!!
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    Originally Posted by tehgosu View Post
    I was thinking Fulham but then I saw the bookies got Brentford as the favorites, interedersting
    As reflected by the Goal difference and 81 points each - that is enough proof in the pudding to say that even the Bookies did'nt really know who to "label" as the favourites imho I think to be fair Token mate!!
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    Cristiano had 18 goals from open play out of 285 shots, 1 free kick, and 12 penalties. The penalties are hiding the fact that this is quite literally one of his worst ever seasons. Juve was always going to win this league, with or without Ronaldo, if they didn't purchase him, i'm sure they would have found someone else to bang in penalties and tap ins...

    As an example... Lukaku (who's not one of the best) scored the same amount of open play goals as ronaldo this year yet he only took 93 shots.

    Quagliarella is another example.. He was 36 years old last year and playing on a terrible team, yet he scored 26 goals, 18 of which were from open play. He only took 140 shots, while it took Ronaldo 285 shots to score the same amount of open play goals.

    The reason why Juve isn't playing well is because the Juve Board hasn't bought into Sarri's demands, and frankly I'm not convinced with Sarri's quality anyways. This team is going the way of Barcelona, indecisive board who's not sure what to do next.

    Also.. Dybala should be on that list.
    This list is based on who was statistically the best, going into detail of passing, dribbling, defending etc. CR7 is so far ahead of the rest of Juve in this metric that its hard to prove he was not carrying them, even though the rating is not perfect
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    This list is based on who was statistically the best, going into detail of passing, dribbling, defending etc. CR7 is so far ahead of the rest of Juve in this metric that its hard to prove he was not carrying them, even though the rating is not perfect
    "so far ahead of the rest of Juve"

    Here is his statistical rank in Juve:

    Passing %: 13th

    Dribbling: 3rd

    Possession loss from dribbles: 1st.

    Defending: Last

    Goals: 1st

    Assists: 4th

    Aerials won: 6th

    Bad controls per game: 1st

    Key passes: 3rd


    I'm curious LukeS1... Do you watch juve games?
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    Whoscored match ratings are a well known and respected metric, it takes into account the players overall contribution relative to their position, not just cherry picked stats like you used. In total in takes into account over 200 statistics.

    If you want to argue against it, look it how the rating works and explain why you don't think its accurate, but its not me saying this its the data
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Whoscored match ratings are a well known and respected metric, it takes into account the players overall contribution relative to their position, not just cherry picked stats like you used. In total in takes into account over 200 statistics.

    If you want to argue against it, look it how the rating works and explain why you don't think its accurate, but its not me saying this its the data
    That's a great point, and I completely agree with you, you're right.

    So you're saying you trust Whoscored match rating as an accurate, credible and reliable source. You pointed out that there are over 200 factors that determine who is "the best" player on Juventus, and you used this to justify your decision of who was the best this season.

    You trust this rating enough to Rank Ronaldo higher than other player DESPITE key statistics.

    Fair

    So is it also fair to say that since Lionel Messi has been ranked higher than Ronaldo every year since 2008 that he is the better player?

    Even in the UCL Ronaldo has only ranked higher than Messi in 4 campaigns of the last 12, Messi also holds the highest rating in UCL final history, the only player to have a 10/10. As well as 4 UCL campaigns with an average rating over 9.0 while Ronaldo's best ever campaign was an 8.82.

    Here are the overall number below:


    2009-2010

    Ronaldo 8.54 Messi 8.67

    2010-2011

    Ronaldo 8.35 Messi 8.76

    2011-2012

    Ronaldo 8.28 Messi 8.88

    2012-2013

    Ronaldo 8.15 Messi 8.83

    2013-2014

    Ronaldo 8.27 Messi 8.34

    2014-2015

    Ronaldo 8.48 Messi 8.84

    2015-2016

    Ronaldo 7.99 Messi 8.46

    2016-2017

    Ronaldo 7.61 Messi 8.47

    2017-2018

    Ronaldo 7.94 Messi 8.68

    2018-2019

    Ronaldo 7.68 Messi 8.48

    2019 - 2020

    Ronaldo 7.82 Messi 8.71


    Regarding UCL

    Ronaldo's best ever campaign rating was 8.82

    Messi has 5 campaigns rated higher than Ronaldo's best including 4 campaigns over 9 average rating.

    So LukeS1

    Since you used this logic to rank Ronaldo above his current team mates, does the same logic apply to rank Messi above Ronaldo?

    To quote you once more:

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    Whoscored match ratings are a well known and respected metric,

    If you want to argue against it, look it how the rating works and explain why you don't think its accurate, but its not me saying this its the data
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    I agree, Messi looks better over the 60 games in the season so will come ahead in this stat.

    What sets CR7 apart is performing in the biggest games, ie hes like Tom Brady compared to Peyton Manning, or MJ compared to LeBron. Maybe less overall efficiency stats in regular season or league games, but comes up bigger in big moments.
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