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    Originally Posted by Merretto View Post
    Bayern will destroy them, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Lewy hat trick, but I think Muller deserves more credit, his press and cardio are relentless, and he sets up lewy often.

    That being said Ronaldo does well against bayern. 7 goals in 8 games, but his goals were similar to Lewandowski's in that he got most of them on a silver platter. 2 penalties and 2 tap ins.
    Doesnt matter too much in the big games how they come, its just getting the job done. You will never get a more beautiful "box score" than this

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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Juve have proved to be a lot worse than they looked on paper. A lot of dead men walking that are just names at this stage. Higuain, Matuidi, Khedira absolute dog ****e at this point, Ramsey, Bonucci, Douglas Costa, Sandro not what they used to be and ineffective.

    Juve is a bad mix between players on a steep decline, and young talent a long way off their prime. There is only Dybala out of the key players thats in the 23-29 range.
    Yeah, they're a mirror image of Barca, who are the only team that was older than them in the UCL.

    Can you believe there's a debate whether Ansu Fati.. A 17 year old.. Should start against Bayern.
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Doesnt matter too much in the big games how they come, its just getting the job done. You will never get a more beautiful "box score" than this

    If you've seen the 2017 bayern vs madrid tie, let's be honest... The second leg.. You know his goals at 105 and 110 were WAY offside, over a meter each.. So offside that the ref hasn't officiated a UCL match since.

    Every pundit in europe thought that it was fixed from skysports to BT, even espn fc lol. Casemiro had enough studs up/no contact with the ball bad challenges to get thrown out of 2 games. Vidal given a red for a 50/50 where he took the ball cleanly..




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    Originally Posted by Merretto View Post
    Yeah, they're a mirror image of Barca, who are the only team that was older than them in the UCL.

    Can you believe there's a debate whether Ansu Fati.. A 17 year old.. Should start against Bayern.
    Let's be clear Juve is a looooong way off Barca's quality

    I cant think of one position Barca would swap their guy for Juve's (apart from CR7 ofc...). Even the bench sucks
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    Hi.

    STL announced their stupid name today.

    Some people like "well if you're a soccer fan you love the name like me". And I'm like "Nope".
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Let's be clear Juve is a looooong way off Barca's quality

    I cant think of one position Barca would swap their guy for Juve's (apart from CR7 ofc...). Even the bench sucks
    Interesting.. Whoscored can think of 7 out of the starting 11

    Ronaldo > Suarez
    Dybala > Griezmann
    Sandro > Alba
    Bentancur > Rakitic
    Cuadrado > Semedo
    Pjanic > Busquets
    Szczezny > Ter Stegen

    Didn't you say this to someone just a few weeks ago?


    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Whoscored match ratings are a well known and respected metric, it takes into account the players overall contribution relative to their position, not just cherry picked stats like you used. In total in takes into account over 200 statistics.

    If you want to argue against it, look it how the rating works and explain why you don't think its accurate, but its not me saying this its the data
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    Originally Posted by cadetduke View Post
    Hi.

    STL announced their stupid name today.

    Some people like "well if you're a soccer fan you love the name like me". And I'm like "Nope".
    any name that refers to "soccer" I can't take seriously
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    don't agree with any of those, except CR7


    Schezyeyhnez and Ter Stegen is not even remotely close

    Ter Stegen is at worse 2nd best in the world (Oblak)
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    don't agree with any of those, except CR7


    Schezyeyhnez and Ter Stegen is not even remotely close

    Ter Stegen is at worse 2nd best in the world (Oblak)
    You agreed with whoscored's assessment of Juventus players when it proved that Ronaldo was the best due to his rating, despite the cherry picked stats of that AJ guy.
    Whoscored match ratings are a well known and respected metric, it takes into account the players overall contribution relative to their position, not just cherry picked stats like you used. In total in takes into account over 200 statistics.
    Yet now you disagree with those very same stats from whoscored when they prove that Juventus players are performing better than Barcelona players..




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    Originally Posted by Merretto View Post
    You agreed with whoscored's assessment of Juventus players when it proved that Ronaldo was the best due to his rating, despite the cherry picked stats of that AJ guy.

    Yet now you disagree with those very same stats from whoscored when they prove that Juventus players are performing better than Barcelona players..




    You can't have it both ways
    Its far from perfect, and it's also not comparing like for like

    You're crazy if you would like Sczeyney over Ter Stegen, if you honestly think hes better I dont have anything to tell you
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Its far from perfect, and it's also not comparing like for like

    You're crazy if you would like Sczeyney over Ter Stegen, if you honestly think hes better I dont have anything to tell you
    I dont even think you are watching them, you compared Rakitic to Bentacur? Also Pjanic and Busquets very different roles
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    If a player has a season score >8 its pretty certain they were amazing that year. When comparing guys in the 7 range its not that useful and when comparing across leagues its almost meaningless. Obviously different play styles, levels of ability effect what kind of ratings you will see.

    This is the premier league team of the calender year 2020.



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    Barcelona v Bayern in the Champions league. Who you got?
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    Barcelona v Bayern in the Champions league. Who you got?
    hopefully Bayern
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    Originally Posted by hayabusaiyan View Post
    Barcelona v Bayern in the Champions league. Who you got?
    Barca in UCL Quarter Final withour Xavi? Probably a massive choke
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    I dont even think you are watching them, you compared Rakitic to Bentacur? Also Pjanic and Busquets very different roles

    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Its far from perfect, and it's also not comparing like for like
    You're crazy if you would like Sczeyney over Ter Stegen, if you honestly think hes better I dont have anything to tell you
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    Barca in UCL Quarter Final withour Xavi? Probably a massive choke
    I watched half of Juventus games this year, you're right, it's a different system so it's not a straight forward comparison. But if you're comparing midfield roles vs midfield roles, as bad as Bentancur can sometimes be, Rakitic has been absolutely terrible. Busquets has been inconsistent and frankly, not as good as Pjanic this season at fulfilling his role.

    For you, Whoscored is accurate only when it benefits a comparison with Ronaldo. It was accurate when it rated him against his team mates and other players in europe best XI, yet it's not accurate anymore when it proves Juve players perform better than Barca players.

    You exaggerate how bad title winning Juve is so you can exaggerate Ronaldo's impact.

    You greatly exaggerate Barcelona's quality to diminish Messi's impact and conflict with your own logic in the process.

    You make it seem like Barcelona can't win a UCL without Xavi, despite the fact that he only started 2 games in their last winning campaign and was virtually useless as he was 36.

    You're so insecure about Messi it's incredible... Imagine that, a 36 year old Xavi who only started 2 games was crucial to Barcelona's last UCL win...

    That's like saying Juventus couldn't have won Serie A this year without Chiellini... Oh wait, he played 4 games... lol that's okay because LukeS1
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    Barcelona v Bayern in the Champions league. Who you got?
    Bayern 4-0 is my guess
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    Its far from perfect, but comparing Bentacur to Busquets and Pjanic to Rakitic would make more sense

    I'm not quite sure what you're trying to argue, and I dont think saying Juve > is a remotely reasonable position to take
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    For what its worth I love Messi, and Barca is definitely my favourite team in Spain, has been since Ronaldinho.

    In terms of watching them play, and their playstyles I prefer Messi, I just am not blind to the fact that Ronaldo is the superior player and more effective winner
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    For what its worth I love Messi, and Barca is definitely my favourite team in Spain, has been since Ronaldinho.

    In terms of watching them play, and their playstyles I prefer Messi, I just am not blind to the fact that Ronaldo is the superior player and more effective winner
    And once again avoiding the main points.

    Explain to me why Xavi was the key player for Barcelona's UCL win in 2015
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    Originally Posted by Merretto View Post
    And once again avoiding the main points.

    Explain to me why Xavi was the key player for Barcelona's UCL win in 2015
    He wasnt, Neymar was the MVP of that run
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    He wasnt, Neymar was the MVP of that run
    So let me get this straight..

    Messi led the tournament in Goals AND Assists, Key passes, Dribbles, MOTM awards. He was MOTM in all but 2 matches, and was MOTM of the final... But neymar was the tournaments vip with 10 goals, no assists and 1 MOTM?

    Stop lying that you like messi as a player, you lie left and right, contradict yourself, make nonsensical analysis and do anything you can to discredit messi.

    Biggest Ronaldo fan boy ive ever seen.

    I know you don't actually watch football,

    But if you are watching the bayern vs Barcelona game, please explain to me how this Barcelona team is better than Juve lol
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    Originally Posted by Merretto View Post
    So let me get this straight..

    Messi led the tournament in Goals
    Messi tied for most goals (10) with Ronaldo and Neymar.

    Messi scored 8 in the group stage, and 2 in 7 games in the knockouts. Neymar scored 7 in the last 5 games (QF, SF and finals) including at least 1 in each game. I think its pretty clear who had the better year and was more crucial to actually winning it
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Messi tied for most goals (10) with Ronaldo and Neymar.

    Messi scored 8 in the group stage, and 2 in 7 games in the knockouts. Neymar scored 7 in the last 5 games (QF, SF and finals) including at least 1 in each game. I think its pretty clear who had the better year and was more crucial to actually winning it
    Messi was the only player of the top scorers who led the tournament in assists as well and orchestrated nearly every play that ended up as a goal thorughout the knockout stages.. Hence 5 MOTM of 7 games in the knockout stages.. Neymar had 0 assists.


    Bayern up 3-1 now.. I'm going to ask you again, do you really believe this Barcelona team is better than Juventus?

    Edit: 4-1 Bayern...

    Barcelona better than Juve... Really?
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