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    Mourinho sacked
    Damn... wonder what's next for him. Always liked him, but it just seems he can't keep up with the times. It was a good 13-15 year run at the top though.
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    Damn, Tottenham announced they joined the Super League on Facebook and a few hours later announced the sacking of Mourinho. Savage

    Sucks for Mourinho tho
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    It is if it removes the structure of the pyramid system. I made a post in the seperate thread I made about how formats might work

    If it was a replacement of standard domestic leagues, with 20-24 elite clubs and then each domestic league fed into that with a promotion/relegation system I think it could be cool. If anything those mid table sides would then suddenly have the incentive and ability to go and win their domestic leagues


    No. Read about it before you post.

    There is no relegation/promotion. There will be 15 permanent founders with 5 buy ins most likely.
    A lot of the foreign owners dont understand the concept of promotion/relegation, this has been said vocally.


    Imagine you are ajax...pour resources into your club..cultivate..for what? To never be able to enter the super league and to get your players poached.


    Basically Perez said...my team is always on top of the league..i dont play enough champions league/famous big boys ie arsenal juve united...lets ask them to join a rich club and just split 15billion a year.
    Oh also ask spurs to join cuz they have a new stadium.
    Meanwhile Madrid won what 2 leagues in 10 years, Arsenal 9th hasnt seen CL in ages, Juve gonna lose the league this year etc etc.


    Its a poor mans version of nba/nfl they want to create. Not even best players or teams. No drafts like in american sports. You cant copy paste.

    Have promotion/relegation and leicester roma sevilla lyon would be smacking up 60% of the super league regularly. Oh but we cant have that.

    The super league will make 15 billion a year, watch them call a salary cap in super league to prevent the players from getting the cash and hoarding even more, its only logical.


    If uefa/fifa ban you from playing for your country who cares. Messi and co will stop playing for barca etc. But the teams will just buy the best chinese and american players then. Wont be as good but will be entertaining, thats enough for them.


    Have the best teams annually in the super league if you wanna be legit, oh wait thats called champions league.



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    Mourinho sacked. I don't think anyone could have done much better. Spurs just aren't a good enough team. They also did actually improve under Mourinho. They had been really terrible for a whole year under Poch before he was let go. It's true they had their CL run, but that was fluky and completely against their form in the league.

    It's also crazy sacking Mourinho just a few days before a final. There's no way Spurs will have a better chance winning that game under whatever caretaker manager than they would under Mourinho. That's why I think the rumor that Mourinho was fired because he opposed the super league plan makes a lot of sense.

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    Are we wasting the talent of our top players by making 90%+ of their games against much inferior opposition? We could have a situation where every single game Ronaldo & Messi plays is against a huge team, so you get to see your favourite player in 40 big games rather than 5 every year...
    This is the best argument for a shake-up in how the game is organized. Most games involving the big teams are boring because the disparity in talent is just too great. The problem is really bad in the Bundesliga where Bayern have almost literally had no competition for nearly a decade now. The reason why the PL is the best league is that there are way more clubs at or near the level of the top teams.
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    Originally Posted by Kaliconic View Post
    This is the best argument for a shake-up in how the game is organized. Most games involving the big teams are boring because the disparity in talent is just too great. The problem is really bad in the Bundesliga where Bayern have almost literally had no competition for nearly a decade now. The reason why the PL is the best league is that there are way more clubs at or near the level of the top teams.
    boyo, there's more to play for than the title

    f.e. the Leverkusen - Köln game this weekend, if fans were allowed this would've been crazy tense af

    one of the sickest derby's there is

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    Originally Posted by TokenV View Post
    boyo, there's more to play for than the title

    f.e. the Leverkusen - Köln game this weekend, if fans were allowed this would've been crazy tense af

    one of the sickest derby's there is

    also, playing for European spots, to avoid relegation, promotion in lower divisions....
    We were talking about games involving the big teams. Neither of those are big teams, and neither they nor any other team in the Bundesliga is remotely close to really competing with Bayern. Bayern has no competition. You can't tell me a league where the same team has won eight straight titles doesn't have a huge problem.
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    Originally Posted by Kaliconic View Post
    We were talking about games involving the big teams. Neither of those are big teams, and neither they nor any other team in the Bundesliga is remotely close to really competing with Bayern. Bayern has no competition. You can't tell me a league where the same team has won eight straight titles doesn't have a huge problem.

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    Originally Posted by mandarino View Post
    No. Read about it before you post.

    There is no relegation/promotion. There will be 15 permanent founders with 5 buy ins most likely.
    A lot of the foreign owners dont understand the concept of promotion/relegation, this has been said vocally.


    Imagine you are ajax...pour resources into your club..cultivate..for what? To never be able to enter the super league and to get your players poached.


    Basically Perez said...my team is always on top of the league..i dont play enough champions league/famous big boys ie arsenal juve united...lets ask them to join a rich club and just split 15billion a year.
    Oh also ask spurs to join cuz they have a new stadium.
    Meanwhile Madrid won what 2 leagues in 10 years, Arsenal 9th hasnt seen CL in ages, Juve gonna lose the league this year etc etc.


    Its a poor mans version of nba/nfl they want to create. Not even best players or teams. No drafts like in american sports. You cant copy paste.

    Have promotion/relegation and leicester roma sevilla lyon would be smacking up 60% of the super league regularly. Oh but we cant have that.

    The super league will make 15 billion a year, watch them call a salary cap in super league to prevent the players from getting the cash and hoarding even more, its only logical.


    If uefa/fifa ban you from playing for your country who cares. Messi and co will stop playing for barca etc. But the teams will just buy the best chinese and american players then. Wont be as good but will be entertaining, thats enough for them.


    Have the best teams annually in the super league if you wanna be legit, oh wait thats called champions league.



    Unfair, noncompetitive, greed are the three words to summarize this.

    I agree the proposed format is chit, Im talking hypotheticals. I dont want this Super League by any means, but the guys trying to do this are no worse than UEFA/FIFA


    English Premier League Clubs can play a theoretical maximum of 94 games now, and as of 2021 will have a potential 9 (NINE) trophies to win. The football schedule has become bloated out of control, and a the pre season tournaments like the Audi Cup will become the norm too.

    When will this end? We need to cut down the number of tournaments and games, and we need a more sensible structure.
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    I agree the proposed format is chit, Im talking hypotheticals. I dont want this Super League by any means, but the guys trying to do this are no worse than UEFA/FIFA


    English Premier League Clubs can play a theoretical maximum of 94 games now, and as of 2021 will have a potential 9 (NINE) trophies to win. The football schedule has become bloated out of control, and a the pre season tournaments like the Audi Cup will become the norm too.

    When will this end? We need to cut down the number of tournaments and games, and we need a more sensible structure.

    Aint nobody got time for hypotheticals.

    We need a more sensible structure but this is simply not the way.

    Uefa and Fifa are corrupt as fuk, but dont make it out as if its a super league vs uefa/fifa debate. This involves every domestic league in europe.
    Super league wants to play their games and then bring their excess cash to run their domestic leagues even more. Gtfo with that.


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    Originally Posted by mandarino View Post
    Aint nobody got time for hypotheticals.

    We need a more sensible structure but this is simply not the way.

    Uefa and Fifa are corrupt as fuk, but dont make it out as if its a super league vs uefa/fifa debate. This involves every domestic league in europe.
    Super league wants to play their games and then bring their excess cash to run their domestic leagues even more. Gtfo with that.


    Perez interview is interesting.
    Like it or not thats the comparison

    If we dont get Super League we are getting 36 team UCL with 10 group stage games and a 24 team Fifa Club World Cup
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    Well so much for all of that. For England anyway
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    Well so much for all of that. For England anyway
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    Interesting the fallout this is causing for owners and chief execs.

    Woodward resigns, John Henry with a public apology, and massive fan pressure for owners of Liverpool/United to leave has never been higher
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    Originally Posted by JoocyMane13 View Post
    thats why im finding it hard to understand what the issue is? It seems like just another sort of tournament in addition to what they already play? Like Champions League without the need to qualify?

    **UPDATE** Ive done abit of reading and yeh this stinks to high heaven. Pocket lining something gooood!
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    Glad John Henry came out with the video but I still won't forgive them for it. If they really cared for the fans then they would of let everyone know about this before going out and making a decision behind the fans, manager, and players back. Crocodile tears don't work with me sadly. I don't think they can EVER rectify this and they have lost the trust of all the fans pretty much and then Klopp had to speak about this and he didn't have a clue about it either... They have thrown our manager and players under the bus and attempted to destroy the club for their own crappy financial gain. I find it hard how FSG can move forward with Liverpool because that trust is now gone.
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    4th division team (!!!) reaches the semi-finals of the Coupe de France

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    Glad John Henry came out with the video but I still won't forgive them for it. If they really cared for the fans then they would of let everyone know about this before going out and making a decision behind the fans, manager, and players back. Crocodile tears don't work with me sadly. I don't think they can EVER rectify this and they have lost the trust of all the fans pretty much and then Klopp had to speak about this and he didn't have a clue about it either... They have thrown our manager and players under the bus and attempted to destroy the club for their own crappy financial gain. I find it hard how FSG can move forward with Liverpool because that trust is now gone.
    Unfortunately as owners they hold all the cards. United have been campaigning to remove the Glazers pretty much since they got there

    When it comes to these clubs there is little hope for a fan or anyone with good intentions to buy them, the ticket size is probably at least £3-4bn, which is such a select group who can afford it. Best you can hope for is that a Saudi Prince fancies a new toy, at least then they have motivations other than profit
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    Unfortunately as owners they hold all the cards. United have been campaigning to remove the Glazers pretty much since they got there

    When it comes to these clubs there is little hope for a fan or anyone with good intentions to buy them, the ticket size is probably at least £3-4bn, which is such a select group who can afford it. Best you can hope for is that a Saudi Prince fancies a new toy, at least then they have motivations other than profit
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    Originally Posted by ChrissJ View Post
    Glad John Henry came out with the video but I still won't forgive them for it. If they really cared for the fans then they would of let everyone know about this before going out and making a decision behind the fans, manager, and players back. Crocodile tears don't work with me sadly. I don't think they can EVER rectify this and they have lost the trust of all the fans pretty much and then Klopp had to speak about this and he didn't have a clue about it either... They have thrown our manager and players under the bus and attempted to destroy the club for their own crappy financial gain. I find it hard how FSG can move forward with Liverpool because that trust is now gone.
    This whole business only lasted a few days. Everyone except the most hardcore fans will have forgot about it in a few weeks. Going forward what will matter most to almost all Liverpool fans is whether the team returns to being one of the contenders for best team in Europe, or continues more in the vein of their current season.
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    Originally Posted by lsiberian View Post
    Yeah you need a Mark Cuban type really.
    There just isnt any though

    United was recently valued at $4.2bn, in reality it would probably take more for the Glazers to sell. Assuming nobody would put more than 25% of their wealth into a sports club that means 115 people in the world can afford it, and only 1 was born in the UK....

    Its only ever going to be a foreign owner or a conglomerate, no chance of it ever being an actual fan anymore
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    Originally Posted by Kaliconic View Post
    This whole business only lasted a few days. Everyone except the most hardcore fans will have forgot about it in a few weeks. Going forward what will matter most to almost all Liverpool fans is whether the team returns to being one of the contenders for best team in Europe, or continues more in the vein of their current season.
    Our current season was a shambles based on injuries tho. No team in the world would be able to fight for top place without their 3 main CB's it's literally impossible. I think it was just a really really unlucky circumstance that 3 defenders got long term injuries. I could throw it to one side if it was salah or anyone being injured for a few games but not a whole season. Jota was the only forward on fire and then got injured too. We just had a super unlucky season really and it is what it is.
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Unfortunately as owners they hold all the cards. United have been campaigning to remove the Glazers pretty much since they got there

    When it comes to these clubs there is little hope for a fan or anyone with good intentions to buy them, the ticket size is probably at least £3-4bn, which is such a select group who can afford it. Best you can hope for is that a Saudi Prince fancies a new toy, at least then they have motivations other than profit


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    honestly, the super league was neither here nor there for me, if it happened it happened, if it didn't great, only thing that riled me up was the timing of it all

    madrid are about to stroll to a 14th cl title and that win would absolutely flush ronaldo's legacy down the toilet, will be the second time a team made cl final/won it right after his left and florentino fking perez almost stopped it from happening, what an idiot lol, thankfully the soccer gods weren't having any of that and the madrid 2021 cl procession is back on track baby

    even in a business sense tho, surely the best time to announce a sl was after the cl final that they would have just won, like that time the wwf champ went to wcw with their title, srsly fking bush league from perez, how did this guy ever become a billionaire lol
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    gareth bale... literally doesn't care about soccer anymore and just casually scores another equaliser/winning goal lmao, how many is that for this season alone? time and time again this man pulls one out the bag when his team are in the shyt

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    Originally Posted by lolXlol View Post
    honestly, the super league was neither here nor there for me, if it happened it happened, if it didn't great, only thing that riled me up was the timing of it all

    madrid are about to stroll to a 14th cl title and that win would absolutely flush ronaldo's legacy down the toilet, will be the second time a team made cl final/won it right after his left and florentino fking perez almost stopped it from happening, what an idiot lol, thankfully the soccer gods weren't having any of that and the madrid 2021 cl procession is back on track baby

    even in a business sense tho, surely the best time to announce a sl was after the cl final that they would have just won, like that time the wwf champ went to wcw with their title, srsly fking bush league from perez, how did this guy ever become a billionaire lol
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    Bale is a top 10 maybe even top 5-7 best players of the last decade though when he's not injured. Not many can hang with him at his best. Any RM that hates on him is a gigantic phaggot. The guy scored the winning goal for 2 CL's and 1 Copa Del Rey. Insane goals too not a bunch of tap in goals.
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    Originally Posted by Rai9 View Post
    Bale is a top 10 maybe even top 5-7 best players of the last decade though when he's not injured. Not many can hang with him at his best. Any RM that hates on him is a gigantic phaggot. The guy scored the winning goal for 2 CL's and 1 Copa Del Rey. Insane goals too not a bunch of tap in goals.
    In terms of just attackers

    Obviously not better than;

    Ronaldo
    Messi
    Suarez
    Neymar
    Mbappe
    Lewandowski

    He's in the mix with these, where you rank him is opinion

    Salah
    Robben
    Ribery
    Zlatan
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    Personally he's not top 10 because he was too inconsistent compared to others, top 7-8 in terms of how he was at his peak is fair though
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