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    Originally Posted by NitrogenWidget View Post
    so you are now arguing that more gun legislation is good?

    also that info is almost 10 yrs old.
    Mine aren't... Guns have no correlation with murder rates. /END.

    Regression Statistics
    Multiple R 0.265380424
    R Square 0.070426769
    Adjusted R Square 0.051060661
    Standard Error 13.18470058
    Observations 50



    Gun Ownership Homicide Rate
     Delaware 5.2 5.9
     Rhode Island 5.8 2.7
     New York 10.3 3.2
     New Jersey 11.3 4.2
     New Hampshire 14.4 1.3
     Connecticut 16.6 2.2
     Ohio 19.6 5.6
     Nebraska 19.8 2.6
     California 20.1 4.9
     Maryland 20.7 8
     Maine 22.6 1.5
     Massachusetts 22.6 2
     Illinois 26.2 8.2
     Oregon 26.6 2.8
     Pennsylvania 27.1 5.2
     Missouri 27.1 8.8
     Washington 27.7 2.7
     North Carolina 28.7 6.7
     Vermont 28.8 2.2
     Michigan 28.8 6
     Virginia 29.3 5.8
     Oklahoma 31.2 6.2
     Georgia 31.6 6.6
     Utah 31.9 2.4
     Kansas 32.2 3.8
     Arizona 32.3 5.5
     Florida 32.5 5.4
     Iowa 33.8 2.3
     Indiana 33.8 6.6
     Colorado 34.3 3.7
     Wisconsin 34.7 4
     South Dakota 35 3.1
     Texas 35.7 5.3
     Minnesota 36.7 1.8
     Nevada 37.5 7.6
     Tennessee 39.4 7.3
     Kentucky 42.4 5.9
     Mississippi 42.8 8
     South Carolina 44.4 7.4
     Louisiana 44.5 11.8
     Hawaii 45.1 2.5
    North Dakota 47.9 2
     Alabama 48.9 8.4
     New Mexico 49.9 6.7
     Montana 52.3 3.5
     Wyoming 53.8 3.4
     West Virginia 54.2 4.4
     Idaho 56.9 2.9
     Arkansas 57.9 7.2
     Alaska 61.7 7
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    Originally Posted by Austanian View Post
    Mine aren't... Guns have no correlation with murder rates. /END.

    Regression Statistics
    Multiple R 0.265380424
    R Square 0.070426769
    Adjusted R Square 0.051060661
    Standard Error 13.18470058
    Observations 50



    Gun Ownership Homicide Rate
     Delaware 5.2 5.9
     Rhode Island 5.8 2.7
     New York 10.3 3.2
     New Jersey 11.3 4.2
     New Hampshire 14.4 1.3
     Connecticut 16.6 2.2
     Ohio 19.6 5.6
     Nebraska 19.8 2.6
     California 20.1 4.9
     Maryland 20.7 8
     Maine 22.6 1.5
     Massachusetts 22.6 2
     Illinois 26.2 8.2
     Oregon 26.6 2.8
     Pennsylvania 27.1 5.2
     Missouri 27.1 8.8
     Washington 27.7 2.7
     North Carolina 28.7 6.7
     Vermont 28.8 2.2
     Michigan 28.8 6
     Virginia 29.3 5.8
     Oklahoma 31.2 6.2
     Georgia 31.6 6.6
     Utah 31.9 2.4
     Kansas 32.2 3.8
     Arizona 32.3 5.5
     Florida 32.5 5.4
     Iowa 33.8 2.3
     Indiana 33.8 6.6
     Colorado 34.3 3.7
     Wisconsin 34.7 4
     South Dakota 35 3.1
     Texas 35.7 5.3
     Minnesota 36.7 1.8
     Nevada 37.5 7.6
     Tennessee 39.4 7.3
     Kentucky 42.4 5.9
     Mississippi 42.8 8
     South Carolina 44.4 7.4
     Louisiana 44.5 11.8
     Hawaii 45.1 2.5
    North Dakota 47.9 2
     Alabama 48.9 8.4
     New Mexico 49.9 6.7
     Montana 52.3 3.5
     Wyoming 53.8 3.4
     West Virginia 54.2 4.4
     Idaho 56.9 2.9
     Arkansas 57.9 7.2
     Alaska 61.7 7
    That's better data than I found.
    So it does indeed appear that gun legislation is just liberal BS and more only hurts law abiding citizens.
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    Originally Posted by NitrogenWidget View Post
    That's better data than I found.
    So it does indeed appear that gun legislation is just liberal BS and more only hurts law abiding citizens.
    Kind of...

    Removal of guns does have an impact on suicide rates.

    However, violent crime and homicide rates are not impacted by gun presence.

    The point is that removing guns does nothing to make you safer. There are too many tools someone can use to kill someone.
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    Originally Posted by NitrogenWidget View Post
    You're avi is literally a meme for the argument against guns.
    No wonder people are anti-gun these days.

    Put some pants on.

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    I guess it is about time to update it though. It was taken as an ode to a game I was playing, but I don't think I've even played it at all this year.

    Originally Posted by NitrogenWidget View Post
    again, i'm not a liberal so top talking to me like one.
    I can google everything out there so I know exactly what they are and what they are used for.

    so stop dodging my question.

    Name those fire arms that are illegal without a brace.
    And tell me why you need those illegal fire arms.

    I doubt you will truthfully answer.
    By law, a rifle is required to have a barrel length of at least 16". Anything less than that on a rifle is considered to be a short barreled rifle (SBR). To lawfully own an SBR, you must pay a $200 tax, register the rifle, and wait several months for the approval process. You cannot just walk into a store and pick one up.

    Removing the stock (and any vertical fore grips) classifies the gun per the ATF definitions as a pistol. A pistol brace is not considered a stock by the ATF, since it isn't designed to be fired from the shoulder (despite everyone using them that way), so using a pistol brace on an AR-15 with a less than 16" barrel is legally defined as a pistol.



    The above 2 firearms are identical, other than the top one has a pistol brace and the bottom has a shoulder stock. The "pistol" can be purchased as is or assembled without any additional headache and functions identically as an SBR for all intents and purposes. The SBR would require registration, an additional $200 tax, and would take several months (government efficiency) to get the approval from the ATF.
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    This is ridiculous. Obama always said how much he hated guns but restrictions were lessened during his term. Trump "2a coalition" has already DECREASED gun rights in this country, and he went out of his way to do it. He told ATF to 'reinterpret' bump stocks and now he is pushing red flag laws and pistol brace bans. If any more gun laws are passed I will vote democrat. It is clear that republicans are mostly retards that will suddenly support anti-constitution laws if it comes from a Republican's mouth. Gun laws are safer with a gun-hating democrat president.

    If Hillary were president we would probably have removed suppressors from the NFA.
    Which democrat are you going to vote for to that will allow you to keep your weapons and accessories?
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    Originally Posted by SpeedCheeser View Post
    By law, a rifle is required to have a barrel length of at least 16". Anything less than that on a rifle is considered to be a short barreled rifle (SBR). To lawfully own an SBR, you must pay a $200 tax, register the rifle, and wait several months for the approval process. You cannot just walk into a store and pick one up.

    Removing the stock (and any vertical fore grips) classifies the gun per the ATF definitions as a pistol. A pistol brace is not considered a stock by the ATF, since it isn't designed to be fired from the shoulder (despite everyone using them that way), so using a pistol brace on an AR-15 with a less than 16" barrel is legally defined as a pistol.



    The above 2 firearms are identical, other than the top one has a pistol brace and the bottom has a shoulder stock. The "pistol" can be purchased as is or assembled without any additional headache and functions identically as an SBR for all intents and purposes. The SBR would require registration, an additional $200 tax, and would take several months (government efficiency) to get the approval from the ATF.
    Come on Nitrogen... This was easy as fuk to find. Do you see what the actual purpose is yet?

    In a close quarters situation (home invasion) where accuracy is incredible important you want a SBR... (Hence why swat and special forces use them for building use.) They are no more deadly than a traditional semi automatic rifle in any other situation. Side stepping the SBR certification ensures you get the best home defense weapon available without paying a worthless tax.

    This is why these "pistols" have became so popular in recent times. Given that you want a suppressor on your home defense weapon a traditional rifle would have a barrel in excess of 20" making less ideal for room clearing.
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