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    Sounds like the CCP might be a little upset by this. If the courts can defy the CCP, it only emboldens the protesters. The Politburo must be getting very unsettled that all of this happening right at their door step and I'd have to imagine the Police State has ramped up its censorship efforts to keep as much information off the Chinese web as possible. Have to hand it to western intelligence, they sure are keeping it poppin' over there.



    China slams Hong Kong court’s ruling of anti-mask law as unconstitutional, says only Beijing can decide on constitutionality
    • China’s top legislative affairs body says only Beijing has right to decide on issues of constitutionality after High Court rules mask ban contravenes Basic Law
    • Analysts say Beijing is likely to intervene with one saying authorities expected to ‘act very soon

    China’s top legislative affairs body has hit out at Hong Kong’s High Court ruling that the emergency anti-mask law was unconstitutional, arguing only the national legislature has the right to decide on issues of constitutionality.

    Zan Tiewei, spokesman for the Legislative Affairs Commission (LAC) of the National People's Congress Standing Committee (NPCSC), said the ruling “did not comply” with aspects of Hong Kong’s mini-constitution, the Basic Law, as well as the NPCSC position, according to the state-run Xinhua news agency.

    Zan said the national legislature was the only body that could decide whether Hong Kong laws complied with the Basic Law, which provided the legal underpinning for post-handover Hong Kong.
    “[China’s] constitution and the Basic Law jointly form the constitutional foundation of [Hong Kong],” he added.

    “Whether Hong Kong’s laws are consistent with the Hong Kong Basic Law can only judged and decided by the NPCSC.

    “No other authority has the right to make judgments and decisions.”

    The decision had also “weakened” the administrative power of the city’s leader, Zan said.

    On Monday, a Hong Kong court ruled in favour of pan-democrats by declaring the government’s mask ban unconstitutional.

    The decision has forced police to suspend enforcement of the mask ban, while legal experts in mainland China floated the possibility of another legal interpretation being issued by Beijing.

    In a strongly-worded statement, Yang Guang, spokesman of the State Council’s Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office (HKMAO), Beijing’s highest policy office on Hong Kong matters, also warned the court ruling would have a “serious and negative sociopolitical impact”.

    “We will closely monitor the development of this case. We hope that the Hong Kong government and the judiciary would strictly follow the Basic Law in performing their duties, and share the responsibility in stopping violence and chaos, as well as in restoring order,” Yang added.

    Lau Siu-kai, vice-chairman of The Chinese Association of Hong Kong and Macau Studies, said the two statements showed the NPCSC would take action shortly.

    “[The NPCSC] can come up with a decision that the Emergency [Regulations] Ordinance is in conformity with the Basic Law … I expect the Standing Committee to act very soon,” he said.
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    The New Cold War will be fought on all fronts.

    US Senate passes Hong Kong democracy bill in a win for Washington’s China hardliners
    The US Senate on Tuesday passed a bill that could pave the way for diplomatic action and economic sanctions against Hong Kong, likely sending the legislation to President Donald Trump to sign into law.

    Congress’s upper chamber put the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act, sponsored by Florida Republican Marco Rubio, through an expedited process that sidestepped a roll call vote, allowing the bill to pass without any objections. The Senate also passed the Protect Hong Kong Act, sponsored by Oregon Democrat Jeff Merkley, which would prohibit US companies from exporting non-lethal crowd control and defence items to the city.

    The House of Representatives passed that chamber’s versions of the two bills last month.

    “The United States Senate sent a clear message to Hong Kongers fighting for their long-cherished freedoms: we hear you, we continue to stand with you, and we will not stand idly by as Beijing undermines your autonomy,” Rubio announced. “The passage of this bill is an important step in holding accountable those Chinese and Hong Kong government officials responsible for Hong Kong’s eroding autonomy and human rights violations.

    “Both the United States Senate and House of Representatives have now demonstrated bipartisan solidarity with the people of Hong Kong as they stand up for their freedoms and basic human rights,” Rubio added.

    The number of senators cosponsoring the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act surged on Monday, bringing in Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and showing the biggest jump since the bill was introduced in June, following a stream of reports about a violent standoff playing out since Sunday between police and radical students at Polytechnic University in Hong Kong.
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    The New Cold War will be fought on all fronts.

    US Senate passes Hong Kong democracy bill in a win for Washington’s China hardliners


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    This is nice to have. Hopefully the bill will be as spicy as possible and VERY strictly enforced.

    I don't have too much faith that this bill will actually help the protesters to achieve the 5 demands.

    What I will really like to see from this is that the bill will drive other countries to start passing similar bills against CCP. This will mean so much more if well-developed first countries such Australia, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, England all pass similar bill against CCP. This is probably the only way that HK people can get democracy/freedom and actually win against the CCP system. THe WHOLE well-developed free market countries need to stand for HK, otherwise it's a slow death for the protesters and world freedom.

    It's time for countries to take a side soon - USA or CCP.
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    This is nice to have. Hopefully the bill will be as spicy as possible and VERY strictly enforced.

    I don't have too much faith that this bill will actually help the protesters to achieve the 5 demands.

    What I will really like to see from this is that the bill will drive other countries to start passing similar bills against CCP. This will mean so much more if well-developed first countries such Australia, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, England all pass similar bill against CCP. This is probably the only way that HK people can get democracy/freedom and actually win against the CCP system. THe WHOLE well-developed free market countries need to stand for HK, otherwise it's a slow death for the protesters and world freedom.

    It's time for countries to take a side soon - USA or CCP.
    I think the bill was just to put more pressure on China as HK's protesting continues, not sure if it'll accomplish anything with the demands either. In all honesty, I think the USG wants to see the CCP crack down hard on the protesters in order to promote anti-China sentiment. And if they do, they can use this bill as a means to pull out of HK. It's all about decoupling at this point, small moves everywhere.
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    Hard to say what Trump will do, especially with us being on the verge of leveraging more tariffs against China this December.
    Trump has said Phase 1 of the "Trade Deal" is simply waiting on us at the moment, could he use this as leverage?

    Glad we're finally getting tougher with the CCP at any rate, I'd hate to think where we'd be if Trump was never elected.


    China ‘will retaliate’ if Donald Trump signs Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act into law

    • Beijing calls on Washington to ‘stop the act becoming law’ after it is passed by Senate, with the US president retaining the right to sign or veto it
    • Support for the bill surges among senators amid a siege at a Hong Kong university campus

    Beijing warned it would retaliate if United States President Donald Trump signed the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act into law, after the US Senate passed the act, which could pave the way for diplomatic action and economic sanctions against the city’s government.

    Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said that any attempt by the US to interfere in China’s internal affairs would be in vain, following the passage of the act through an expedited process.

    “We call on the US side to take a clear look at the situation and take steps to stop the act from becoming a law, and stop meddling in the internal affairs of China and Hong Kong, to avoid setting a fire that would only burn itself,” Geng said in a statement.

    “If the US sticks to its course, China will surely take forceful measures to resolutely oppose it to safeguard national sovereignty, security and development interest.”

    Geng said the move by the US Congress’ upper chamber was a serious violation of international law and international relations norms, which China “strongly condemns and opposes”.

    The situation facing Hong Kong, where there has been over five months of anti-government protests, was not about human rights and democracy, but about stopping violence and restoring order, Geng said.

    He said violent acts had jeopardised social order and challenged the “one country, two systems” principle under which Hong Kong retained certain freedoms and a degree of autonomy after its 1997 handover from Britain to China.

    The bill’s passage in the Senate came after the House of Representatives passed its version last month. The Senate also passed the Protect Hong Kong Act, which would prohibit the export of non-lethal crowd control and defence items to Hong Kong.
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    This says a lot, European markets are in a slump right now. However, it is indicative of the power China wields.

    Europe reluctant to do more about Hong Kong for fear of Beijing’s reaction, say diplomats
    • So far the EU has limited itself to calls for restraint and ‘political support’ but it is not expected to follow the US lead by implementing specific measures
    • One diplomat said ‘at the end of the day, I fear that the economic relationship is just too important’

    Europe is unlikely to take any concrete action over the escalating situation in Hong Kong, in part because of concerns about its economic relationship with Beijing, diplomats from the continent have said.

    Pro-democracy activists in Hong Kong have been seeking support from both America and Europe, and on Tuesday the US Senate passed a bill that could suspend the city’s special economic status and sanction officials deemed to have undermined its autonomy.

    But diplomats said that while the EU would continue to provide “political support”, it felt constrained by economic considerations.

    “The EU has been very unified in the statements it has made, but in reality there is little more that can be done,” said one diplomat who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

    In July the European Parliament passed a non-binding resolution that called for an independent investigation into police violence against protesters in Hong Kong. It also urged Brussels to impose export controls on Hong Kong to prevent “access to technologies used to violate basic rights”.

    The EU has consistently called for a de-escalation of violence and a return to dialogue, and on Monday it responded to the siege at Hong Kong Polytechnic University by saying police use of force should be “strictly proportionate” and urging all sides to exercise restraint.

    British Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab was also due to discuss the situation with his German and French counterparts, Heiko Maas and Jean-Yves Le Drian, in Brussels on Wednesday.
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    Pro-Beijing camp licks wounds after hammering in Hong Kong district council elections

    Huge surge of support for pro-democracy camp, which has already taken more seats than it had before

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    Hong Kong’s pro-democracy camp has made huge gains in the early stages of the city’s fiercely contested district council elections on Sunday, taking all but 19 of the first 150 seats to declare.
    The elections, held amid an anti-government movement now into its sixth month, are expected to serve as a barometer for how Hongkongers feel about the unprecedented political crisis roiling their city. It is also the first district council elections in which all seats are being contested, with the electorate voting in 452 district councillors.
    The results of the polls will have knock-on effects on the Legislative Council elections next year, which draw candidates from among successful district councillors.

    The anti-establishment reverberations from almost six months of street protests swept through polling stations across Hong Kong on Sunday, as voters in record numbers roundly rejected pro-Beijing candidates in favour of pan-democrats.
    The tsunami of disaffection among voters was clear across the board, as pan-democrats rode the wave to win big in poor and rich neighbourhoods, in both protest-prone and non protest-afflicted districts and, in downtown areas as well as the suburbs.
    Less immediately obvious was whether there was a generational divide in the way the people voted, but ousted pro-establishment district councillors suggested that young, first-time voters had been instrumental in dislodging them from their perch.

    Youthful, fresh-faced candidates, many of whom were active in the anti-government protests roiling the city over the past six months, were among prominent winners of the historic district council elections which had a record turnout of 2.94 million voters, representing 71.2 per cent of registered electors, up from the previous figure of 47 per cent in 2015.
    In a stunning setback that could force an internal reshuffle, the city’s largest pro-establishment party, the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong (DAB), which fielded 179 candidates, won only 21 seats as of 5.30am on Monday.


    Their chairwoman Starry Lee Wai-king defended her seat in To Kwa Wan North, Kowloon City district. Lee fended off former lawmaker “Long Hair” Leung Kwok-hung of the pro-democracy camp.
    The dramatically changing colour of the 452-member district council map from the predominantly blue stronghold of the pro-Beijing ranks, which held 292 seats before the polls, to the pan-democratic camp’s yellow hue became clear from early on as counting began when polls closed at 10.30pm.
    The pro-Beijing camp had only managed to secure 42 seats, as of 7am. Independents, who are not endorsed by either camp, have won 24 seats.








    It's not just YOUNG people, the majority of people in HK is anti-commie, anti-dictators, ANTI-CCP. It's showing in 11/24/2019 voting for the district council elections - People in HK support the heroic protesters, it's a fact. Theses elections are VERY important for this freedom and democracy movement in HK as the HK government had been saying that the majority of HK people are against the protesters which is completely BS from HK government as usual.
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    In light of this, I wonder how the CCP will react if Tsai wins the Taiwanese election in January.
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    Trump signs bipartisan bill aimed at supporting Hong Kong protesters amid trade talks

    USA MAGA officially stands with Hong Kong protesters now.

    Xi is still Trump's best friend. I am sure .
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    Trump signs bipartisan bill aimed at supporting Hong Kong protesters amid trade talks

    USA MAGA officially stands with Hong Kong protesters now.

    Xi is still Trump's best friend. I am sure .

    Good. I was worried he'd veto it.

    The sooner we can fully destroy our relationship with China and cut them off completely, the better.
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    Another day in Hong Kong, another day of Anti-CCP. Day 182.



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