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    Hong Kong - Echoes of Tiananmen Square?

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    Protests are like ‘colour revolution’ threatening Hong Kong with abyss, top Beijing official warns amid ‘worst crisis since 1997 handover’
    • HKMAO chief Zhang Xiaoming says ending disturbance is top priority, but rejects protesters’ demands and warns Beijing won’t sit idly by if situation worsens
    • Zhang referenced the ‘colour revolution’ that caused civil unrest in early 2000s Eastern Europe, and said China has option to deploy military

    Beijing’s top official overseeing Hong Kong affairs has denounced the anti-government protests sweeping the city as bearing the “obvious characteristics of a colour revolution” – referring to Eastern European uprisings in the early 2000s – and warned that the worst crisis since the handover to Chinese sovereignty could not be resolved by bowing to protesters’ demands. Zhang Xiaoming, director of the State Council’s Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office (HKMAO), put the emphasis on ending the protest chaos and violence that began two months ago, triggered by the government’s now-abandoned extradition bill.

    He also left open the possibility of the Hong Kong government setting up a commission of inquiry into the entire extradition bill saga, in response to citywide calls, but only after the protests ended. “The most pressing and overriding task at present is to stop violence, end the chaos and restore order, so as to safeguard our homeland and prevent Hong Kong from sinking into an abyss,” Zhang said.

    Laying out these priorities before 500 of Hong Kong’s top business leaders and pro-Beijing politicians at a seminar in neighbouring Shenzhen on Wednesday, he called on allies of Chief Executive Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor’s embattled government to do their part in safeguarding Hong Kong’s prosperity and stability. Speaking at the same event, Wang Zhimin, director of Beijing’s liaison office, warned that the crisis gripping Hong Kong was a “battle of life and death”, with the city’s future at stake.

    While Beijing officials rallied pro-establishment forces at the day-long seminar, Hong Kong’s leader continued to avoid open public engagements, but quietly made a morale-boosting visit to the Tin Shui Wai Police Station, where tear gas was used to disperse protesters who attacked it on Monday.

    Lam also, unannounced, visited the site of a new public shopping space in the district and reviewed improvements works at Tai Wai Market. During her first community excursion since the protests began in early June, she promised to come up with measures to improve livelihood in her policy address in October. At the seminar in Shenzhen, Zhang again declared Beijing’s full support for Hong Kong’s leader and police force, stressing that backing them was key to restoring order. “The central government is 100 per cent supportive of Lam’s leadership,” he said.

    Zhang warned that if the protest crisis escalated beyond the local government’s control, Beijing would not sit by and watch. The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) could be deployed to restore law and order, while national laws could also apply in a state of emergency. “According to the Basic Law, the central authorities have ample methods as well as sufficient strength to promptly settle any possible turmoil, should it occur,” he said. Former Hong Kong justice minister Elsie Leung Oi-sie, who attended the gathering, said Zhang was making it clear that the central government had the right to step in if necessary. “Beijing will not ignore Hong Kong when it is in chaos,” she said.

    Leung quoted Zhang as praising Deng Xiaoping as insightful, as the late paramount leader said in the 1980s that Beijing would intervene if disturbance occurred in the city. The seminar in Shenzhen was the first of its kind since the HKMAO and Beijing’s liaison office in Hong Kong organised a similar event in August 2014, a month before the Occupy protests began and protesters occupied roads for 79 straight days demanding greater democracy.

    “We can say Hong Kong is facing the most serious situation since the [1997] handover,” said Zhang, in his opening remarks over the first five minutes of the seminar during which the media were allowed in. Ip Kwok-him, a Hong Kong delegate to the National People’s Congress, quoted Zhang as warning that the city would suffer greatly if the protests dragged on, and they should not be allowed to disrupt celebrations to mark the 70th anniversary of the founding of the People’s Republic of China in October.

    “I believe he was expressing hope that the chaos in Hong Kong would be over by September, but of course, the sooner the better,” Ip said. Zhang described the protests as having “obvious characteristics of a colour revolution,” a reference to civil unrest in countries in the former Soviet Union and Balkans in the early 2000s. New People’s Party chairwoman Regina Ip Lau Suk-yee cited Zhang as suggesting that such characteristics included the prominent role of youngsters, and the involvement of religious groups. “They use freedom and democracy as slogans but are in fact hurting Hong Kong,” she said.

    Another attendee said Zhang had noted how colour revolutions had destroyed police morale and allowed protesters to take over. “Police have sweated and bled, we cannot let them cry,” Zhang was quoted as saying. Protesters have made five demands which the government has resisted so far: completely withdraw the bill that would allow extraditions to mainland China; launch an independent inquiry to look into the entire controversy and allegations of police brutality in particular; exonerate those arrested; retract all references to protests as “riots”; and launch the city’s stalled political reform process. Delegates who attended the meeting said Zhang dismissed all the demands, but left open the possibility of setting up a commission of inquiry after order was restored.

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    God bless them. Fighting the good fight. So obvious China is just going to roll back their freedoms, and drag them back into the communist stranglehold.
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    China refined their practices for cracking down on dissenters over the past 20 years with their crackdown on Falun Gong. The world watched and did nothing. Actually, that's not true. The world ignored it, willingly gave China every economic advantage they could, and traded with China to the point that China can now afford to pay for a military on par (at least on paper) with a superpower. They are evil. They are not our friends. They murdered thousands in Tiananmen and got away with it. They are murdering thousands of Uighurs and using them for their organs. Yes, that's right. China has imprisoned thousands of Uighurs so that they are available for organ transplant when party members or their families require new organs. They have murdered thousands of Falun gong. Unfortunately, the British honored their treaty and returned governance of Hong Kong to China a couple of decades ago, despite protests against at the time. Now, the world is going to see why people in Hong Kong were so worried.


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    Should have never given Hong Kong up.

    Another great success by the left.
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    Originally Posted by Sakeoe View Post
    Should have never given Hong Kong up.

    Another great success by the left.
    As a Brit it has never really made sense on a deep level.

    Argentina invades some godforsaken island, with more sheep than people and we go full rage mode and deploy an entire strike force to get it back.

    Yet because some lease runs out over an island near China, we just happily hand over one of the most important financial centres of the time??



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    Yeah this situation is exactly why the 2A exists.

    Sadly once people feel too safe and comfortable with the freedoms they have, they assume it will last forever and the state could never ever turn oppressive...
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    Originally Posted by ichmagwasser View Post

    Yeah this situation is exactly why the 2A exists.

    Sadly once people feel too safe and comfortable with the freedoms they have, they assume it will last forever and the state could never ever turn oppressive...
    Exactly,

    There is a reason the left constantly tries to conflate the 2A with other "reasons" like home defense, or hunting, or sport, etc.

    The 2A has absolutely nothing about those things and only indirectly about HD.

    2A exists so that the people can check the government if needed. That is it.
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    Originally Posted by InPhase View Post
    God bless them. Fighting the good fight. So obvious China is just going to roll back their freedoms, and drag them back into the communist stranglehold.
    Sadly, I think the same. They can protest as loud as they want, I think eventually we will see china send over military equipment, and absolutely crush them. This will be T Square 2.0, the communists simple dont give a single fuk and will kill however many they need to to keep control. I hope not! But I think theyre gonna crack down brutally unless HK caves to their demands, especially because of the situation with the US and theyre already tense and angry.

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    Hong Kong protesters cripple airport as Beijing raises stakes with ‘terrorism’ warning


    Thousands bring Hong Kong International Airport grinding to a halt, leaving 180 flights cancelled and travellers stranded
    Police play down Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office’s terrorism comments and say they will treat situation like a ‘violent protest’


    Thousands of anti-government protesters crippled Hong Kong International Airport on Monday and forced the cancellation of all flights in an unprecedented disruption, even as Beijing raised the stakes by warning that escalating protest violence against police in particular was displaying “signs of terrorism”. Air travel was thrown into chaos as protesters changed tactics to go beyond the arrival hall and swarm over the departure hall to prevent passengers from checking in or clearing security, forcing the cancellation of all flights in and out of the city.

    “All check-in service for departure flights has been suspended. Other than the departure flights that have completed the check-in process and the arrival flights that are already heading to Hong Kong, all other flights have been cancelled for the rest of the day,” the Airport Authority announced at 4pm local time.

    Airport officials said they hoped to resume flights from 6am on Tuesday, after more than 180 departures were cancelled.

    The impact was severe on one of the world’s busiest airports, which handles 800 flights a day, stranding tens of thousands of travellers trying to fly out of the city or scheduled to arrive. Many were furious at having to scramble for accommodation or alternative travel arrangements.
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    Beijing warns of ‘signs of terrorism’ in violent unrest in Hong Kong
    • China’s top policy office on the city reiterates support for police, saying a ‘critical moment’ has been reached
    • Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office also vows to crack down on violent crime with ‘iron fist’

    Beijing on Monday warned that escalating violence by anti-government protesters in Hong Kong, especially against the police, was showing “signs of terrorism” and reiterated its support for the city’s force to take resolute action to crack down on “rioters”. Yang Guang, a spokesman for the Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office (HKMAO) under the State Council, read out a stern statement to Hong Kong media in Beijing, saying the city had come to a “critical moment” and vowing to clamp down on violent crime with an “iron fist”.

    In particular, the spokesman condemned as reckless petrol bomb attacks on police stations by protesters that left an officer injured on Sunday.
    “In recent days, Hong Kong’s radical protesters have repeatedly attacked police with highly dangerous tools, which constitute serious violent crimes and have started to show signs of terrorism,” Yang said. “This type of violent criminal activity must be resolutely combated according to the law, with no hesitation or mercy.”

    The central government’s representative office in Hong Kong also described the escalating violence as “terrorist acts” in a separate statement.
    “Nowhere in the world would tolerate these heinous and extreme atrocities,” the liaison office said. “If we allow these types of terrorist activities to continue, then Hong Kong will slide into a bottomless abyss.”

    But soon after the HKMAO spokesman’s warning, Hong Kong police gave a separate briefing, playing down the threat level and saying violence seen in the city in recent days should not be described as terrorism.

    Chris Tang Ping-keung, a deputy police commissioner, said mass protests and terrorism were different and the United Nations description should be followed in determining whether an action was a terrorist act. “There were protesters who used lethal weapons to attack police officers,” Tang said. “[We will] continue to monitor the situation.”
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    Sadly, I think the same. They can protest as loud as they want, I think eventually we will see china send over military equipment, and absolutely crush them. This will be T Square 2.0, the communists simple dont give a single fuk and will kill however many they need to to keep control. I hope not! But I think theyre gonna crack down brutally unless HK caves to their demands, especially because of the situation with the US and theyre already tense and angry.



    SOMEBODY ELSE KNOWS!?!?!?! This is soo awesome, I feel like the only one who knows this stuff sometimes! Some doctors/investigators risked their lives to do a decade long study and its fuking terrifying. Theyre killing and harvesting these prisoners on a scale that equals genocide, and most of the world is none the wiser in 2019!
    Parallel to the forceful detainment of millions of adults, in 2017 alone at least half a million children were also forcefully separated from their families, and placed in pre-school camps with prison-style surveillance systems and 10.000 volt electric fences.[142]

    Despite the ongoing repression of the Uyghurs as portrayed by Western media, there have been very few protests from Islamic countries against the internment and re-education of the ethnicity by the Chinese Communist Party. In December 2018, the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) initially acknowledged the disturbing reports from the region but the statement was later retracted and replaced by the comment that the OIC "commends the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China." Even Saudi Arabia, which host significant numbers of ethnic Uyghurs, have refrained from any official criticism of the Chinese government, possibly due to economic and political liasons between China and many Islamic nations.[143][144] Turkey is one of few Muslim countries to condemn the persecution of Uighurs, which the Turkish Foreign Ministry has described as "a great embarrassment for humanity" and as "torture and political brainwashing". Most recently President Erdogan while on a trip to China has said that "I believe we can find a solution to the issue taking into account the sensitivities of both sides," and suggested that Turkey could "send a delegation to East Turkestan".[145]

    In July 2019, 22 countries, including Australia, United Kingdom, Canada, France, Germany and Japan, raised concerns about “large-scale places of detention, as well as widespread surveillance and restrictions, particularly targeting Uighurs and other minorities in Xinjiang”.[146] The 22 ambassadors urged China to end arbitrary detention and allow “freedom of movement of Uighurs and other Muslim and minority communities in Xinjiang”.[147]

    On 15 July 2019, Four Corners aired a 46-minute programme called Tell the World [148], exposing how China is creating the world’s largest prison.
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    the police have this under control.
    China is just talking.

    The chances of any PLA soldier setting foot in Hong Kong is literally 0%. The protesters are increasing the violence because they think they can force the PLA to be mobilized.
    Hong Kong is too important for Chinese businesses from a legal and financial standpoint to risk muddying the confidence in its financial/legal system.

    God bless them. Fighting the good fight. So obvious China is just going to roll back their freedoms, and drag them back into the communist stranglehold.
    I don't get why people think China's leadership is filled with retarded ideologues. They're not. They're pragmatic to the core. hear that vague term all the time. "rolling back their freedoms". Yet we can never point to anything they had under the British that they don't have now.

    The legal system in Hong Kong will never change. The point of setting up Special Economic Zones is so that they can have both the benefits and confidence of a market economy while keeping their authoritarian rule on the majority of the country and its important assets.
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    this won't end well

    if hong kong gets their way, mainland china will want the same thing
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    Originally Posted by TurbanMon View Post
    the police have this under control.
    China is just talking.

    The chances of any PLA soldier setting foot in Hong Kong is literally 0%. The protesters are increasing the violence because they think they can force the PLA to be mobilized.
    Hong Kong is too important for Chinese businesses from a legal and financial standpoint to risk muddying the confidence in its financial/legal system.

    I don't get why people think China's leadership is filled with retarded ideologues. They're not. They're pragmatic to the core. hear that vague term all the time. "rolling back their freedoms". Yet we can never point to anything they had under the British that they don't have now.

    The legal system in Hong Kong will never change. The point of setting up Special Economic Zones is so that they can have both the benefits and confidence of a market economy while keeping their authoritarian rule on the majority of the country and its important assets.
    Seems a couple people in Hong Kong felt differently, right?

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    Parallel to the forceful detainment of millions of adults, in 2017 alone at least half a million children were also forcefully separated from their families, and placed in pre-school camps with prison-style surveillance systems and 10.000 volt electric fences.[142]

    They even forced the muslim world to keep this subject on the low. Only the Turks and a few others made a noise about it.
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    Originally Posted by OttomanEmpire View Post
    Parallel to the forceful detainment of millions of adults, in 2017 alone at least half a million children were also forcefully separated from their families, and placed in pre-school camps with prison-style surveillance systems and 10.000 volt electric fences.[142]

    They even forced the muslim world to keep this subject on the low. Only the Turks and a few others made a noise about it.
    For a second I thought I was reading a CNN article about how Trump is throwing poor little children in concentration camps.

    Sadly they won’t report on it actually happening for real in other parts of the world. This should be on everyone’s radar.
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    But can China afford to get tough while the trade war is still going on in full swing? Deploying PLA will mean there will be "no deal" from Trump for sure.
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    Originally Posted by ichmagwasser View Post
    As a Brit it has never really made sense on a deep level.

    Argentina invades some godforsaken island, with more sheep than people and we go full rage mode and deploy an entire strike force to get it back.

    Yet because some lease runs out over an island near China, we just happily hand over one of the most important financial centres of the time??
    The difference is two fold:

    1. The Argentinian junta blatantly stole British territory, whereas HK was being handed back peacefully in accordance to the law.

    2. The Argentinians were unable to project force with the same military skill as the British. Also, they do not have Britain's extremely extensive experience of maritime warfare. Consequently it was a risky but winnable move for Thatcher to send in the troops. Conversely, if Britain had refused to hand over HK, the Chinese Red Army would have come to collect it and there is absolutely nothing that Britain could have realistically done to stop them.

    In summary, re. the Falklands the British had right and might on their side, re. HK China had right and might on their side.
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    Exactly,

    There is a reason the left constantly tries to conflate the 2A with other "reasons" like home defense, or hunting, or sport, etc.

    The 2A has absolutely nothing about those things and only indirectly about HD.

    2A exists so that the people can check the government if needed. That is it.
    Originally Posted by OttomanEmpire View Post
    Parallel to the forceful detainment of millions of adults, in 2017 alone at least half a million children were also forcefully separated from their families, and placed in pre-school camps with prison-style surveillance systems and 10.000 volt electric fences.[142]

    Despite the ongoing repression of the Uyghurs as portrayed by Western media, there have been very few protests from Islamic countries against the internment and re-education of the ethnicity by the Chinese Communist Party. In December 2018, the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) initially acknowledged the disturbing reports from the region but the statement was later retracted and replaced by the comment that the OIC "commends the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China." Even Saudi Arabia, which host significant numbers of ethnic Uyghurs, have refrained from any official criticism of the Chinese government, possibly due to economic and political liasons between China and many Islamic nations.[143][144] Turkey is one of few Muslim countries to condemn the persecution of Uighurs, which the Turkish Foreign Ministry has described as "a great embarrassment for humanity" and as "torture and political brainwashing". Most recently President Erdogan while on a trip to China has said that "I believe we can find a solution to the issue taking into account the sensitivities of both sides," and suggested that Turkey could "send a delegation to East Turkestan".[145]

    In July 2019, 22 countries, including Australia, United Kingdom, Canada, France, Germany and Japan, raised concerns about “large-scale places of detention, as well as widespread surveillance and restrictions, particularly targeting Uighurs and other minorities in Xinjiang”.[146] The 22 ambassadors urged China to end arbitrary detention and allow “freedom of movement of Uighurs and other Muslim and minority communities in Xinjiang”.[147]

    On 15 July 2019, Four Corners aired a 46-minute programme called Tell the World [148], exposing how China is creating the world’s largest prison.
    Never heard about these prisons and genocides. Although I'm not surprised. Seeing those people holding American flags and saying they need the 2A is chilling. I feel very fortunate to live where I live and have the rights and liberties I have.

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    Never heard about these prisons and genocides. Although I'm not surprised. Seeing those people holding American flags and saying they need the 2A is chilling. I feel very fortunate to live where I live and have the rights and liberties I have.

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