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    Originally Posted by Jrd86 View Post
    Mueller just chit all over his own legacy (which upon further inspection, wasnt really that great).
    Now we know why he didn't want to testify. He is horrible when he gets off his script. Not sure if it is stage fright or he seriously is dealing with dementia, but he has hurt himself more than he has helped/hurt Trump/Dems/Republicans.

    I kind of feel bad for the man. I personally don't think he came into this with an agenda. I think he was tasked with a job. He did his job and was likely pressured to leave in the part about obstruction to make some on his staff happy. The reality is that he had no business dumping a bunch of negative implications about obstruction unless it was part of an indictment. It wasn't his job to build a case for a future trial in 10 years.
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    Originally Posted by Jrd86 View Post
    Mueller just chit all over his own legacy (which upon further inspection, wasnt really that great).
    "Not great" is a pretty big understatement.

    The man has several high profile bungles. I'm surprised he still had a job after the Richard Jewell thing.
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    Mr. Stanton and others ask or mention to Mueller that he never once asked about the person's political affiliation when considering hiring for the investigation. Mueller answers no.

    The problem with this is that Mueller already knew each person's political affiliation before he hired them, so he did not need to ask, with the majority of them being anti-Trumpers.

    Just a fact.
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    Originally Posted by primetime32 View Post
    Now we know why he didn't want to testify. He is horrible when he gets off his script. Not sure if it is stage fright or he seriously is dealing with dementia, but he has hurt himself more than he has helped/hurt Trump/Dems/Republicans.

    I kind of feel bad for the man. I personally don't think he came into this with an agenda. I think he was tasked with a job. He did his job and was likely pressured to leave in the part about obstruction to make some on his staff happy. The reality is that he had no business dumping a bunch of negative implications about obstruction unless it was part of an indictment. It wasn't his job to build a case for a future trial in 10 years.
    It's crystal clear Mueller didn't even write the report. His partisan team were put in place to simply dig up crap on Trump
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    Originally Posted by chalup View Post
    He denied interviewing for FBI director job. The POTUS has stated he has multiple witnesses that he did interview for the job.
    So Muller lied to congress? I thought "no one is above the law"?
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    Originally Posted by Jrd86 View Post
    So Muller lied to congress? I thought "no one is above the law"?
    half expecting that narrative to change to "Mueller is a known liar, and therefore the investigation needs to be started over"
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    Originally Posted by Jrd86 View Post
    So Muller lied to congress? I thought "no one is above the law"?
    Unfortunately that's a myth, There's been a lot of lying to congress in the last couple years under oath, and nothing ever happens.
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    It's amazing nobody in the mainstream media is picking up that he doesn't recall was Fusion GPS is.

    He's either senile, incompetent or lying.
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    it's time to go ahead and open an impeachment inquiry on the MFer.
    forget about the politics and risk of making such a move. just do it. trump is putting his base on an island anyway as he dissuades the middle from siding with him
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    Originally Posted by Trapstar4.4 View Post
    it's time to go ahead and open an impeachment inquiry on the MFer.
    forget about the politics and risk of making such a move. just do it. trump is putting his base on an island anyway as he dissuades the middle from siding with him
    DO IT.

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    Originally Posted by Trapstar4.4 View Post
    it's time to go ahead and open an impeachment inquiry on the MFer.
    forget about the politics and risk of making such a move. just do it. trump is putting his base on an island anyway as he dissuades the middle from siding with him
    I agree. Impeach him or shut the fuk up.
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    Originally Posted by Trapstar4.4 View Post
    it's time to go ahead and open an impeachment inquiry on the MFer.
    forget about the politics and risk of making such a move. just do it. trump is putting his base on an island anyway as he dissuades the middle from siding with him
    The fact people like you actual exist and believe what you are saying blows my mind. Anyone in the "middle" has read partially or all of his report. They wanted clarification on questions asked by both sides and he denied to answer over 110 times. If you think that was good for anyone but republicans I got some really bad news.
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    Originally Posted by primetime32 View Post

    I kind of feel bad for the man. I personally don't think he came into this with an agenda. I think he was tasked with a job. He did his job and was likely pressured to leave in the part about obstruction to make some on his staff happy. The reality is that he had no business dumping a bunch of negative implications about obstruction unless it was part of an indictment. It wasn't his job to build a case for a future trial in 10 years.
    Meh, he has destroyed a lot of lives with his aggressive tactics including a Congressman, if I recall correctly.
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    Originally Posted by Trapstar4.4 View Post
    it's time to go ahead and open an impeachment inquiry on the MFer.
    forget about the politics and risk of making such a move. just do it. trump is putting his base on an island anyway as he dissuades the middle from siding with him
    Low information.

    They did an impeachment vote what, a week or two ago?

    It had almost no support in the House whatsoever.

    Edit: Exactly a week ago. Shot down 322-95.
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    Originally Posted by Trapstar4.4 View Post
    it's time to go ahead and open an impeachment inquiry on the MFer.
    forget about the politics and risk of making such a move. just do it. trump is putting his base on an island anyway as he dissuades the middle from siding with him
    Well that is certainly the dumb emotionally validating card to play. Even if it pass through the House, it would fail in the Senate. If history is any guide, Trump approval numbers would skyrocket during the ordeal.

    But hey, of there is one thing the left can be counted on, its emotions over logic.
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    After today's hearing the RussiaGate conspiracy theory can officially be put to bed. Mueller confirmed that there was no evidence of 'collusion' which he correctly stated on page 180 of the report was 'largely synonymous' with the federal statute of conspiracy, he then rejected the analysis that provable obstruction occurred. Mueller even confirmed the Russian troll farms were not part of the Russian Govt. election interference operations. Fellow Dems have embarrassed themselves clinging to Saint Mueller as our last hope, we must now move forward to finding a candidate for 2020 who can push an economic populist message while adhering to anti interventionist foreign policy.
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    this is a mess for democrats. this makes the entire investigation look like a farce even more (i know it was from the start.) mueller was just a symbol, the 18 angry democrats were the ones doing the actual coup.
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    Originally Posted by Trapstar4.4 View Post
    it's time to go ahead and open an impeachment inquiry on the MFer.
    forget about the politics and risk of making such a move. just do it. trump is putting his base on an island anyway as he dissuades the middle from siding with him
    Besides the one they voted against last week?
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    Originally Posted by BFast55 View Post
    Well that is certainly the dumb emotionally validating card to play. Even if it pass through the House, it would fail in the Senate. If history is any guide, Trump approval numbers would skyrocket during the ordeal.

    But hey, of there is one thing the left can be counted on, its emotions over logic.
    no it's not emotional. you are entirely incorrect.
    if congress comes out of this believing that there is overhwelming evidence that trump obstructed justice, then they are obligated to look further into it.
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    YOU are advocating for more partisan politics. YOU are saying that congress should not open an inquiry because it isnt a pretty political narrative. this sentiment is a large part of why politics in this nation are so fcked up. when politics affects decisions ethical decisions.

    keep in mind you may not agree with the sentiment that trump obstructed justice. thats fine, this is about what congress believes. it's ethics versus politics. thats the debate
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    Nah, no impeachment. His term is almost done, let him finish, then charge him and send him on his way with his pals.
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    it's time to go ahead and open an impeachment inquiry on the MFer.
    forget about the politics and risk of making such a move. just do it. trump is putting his base on an island anyway as he dissuades the middle from siding with him
    LMAO yea, that "middle" is galloping towards the party that wants to give illegal aliens free healthcare...You guys on the left live in a complete state of denial.
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    Originally Posted by Trapstar4.4 View Post
    that trump obstructed justice, then they are obligated to look further into it.
    That's not how it works LOL.

    Do they even teach American Government in school anyway?

    And the people who preach ethics are the ones who usually lack it.
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    the other side of this coin is that dems run the risk of being questioned by their base.

    that is, "if you believe that trump committed a crime, why are you not doing your job? because it doesnt fit your political agenda? well thats BS"
    their own base will burn them if we continue to see favorability for impeachment continue to rise in the house.

    i shouldnt need to say this but without your base, the middle doesnt fcking matter. you lose
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    IF the Dems were smart they would cancel the 2nd hearing today for pencil necks committee, Mueller could step in it again
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    This was really the only line of questioning that mattered: Mueller doesn't understand presumption of innocence.


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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    That's not how it works LOL.

    Do they even teach American Government in school anyway?

    And the people who preach ethics are the ones who usually lack it.
    close your mouth. you dont know what you believe. so maybe you should start there
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    Originally Posted by KINGFABIAN View Post
    Nah, no impeachment. His term is almost done, let him finish, then charge him and send him on his way with his pals.
    Nah, trump has another term locked up. No point to even go vote


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    Originally Posted by Trapstar4.4 View Post
    no it's not emotional. you are entirely incorrect.
    if congress comes out of this believing that there is overhwelming evidence that trump obstructed justice, then they are obligated to look further into it.
    '
    YOU are advocating for more partisan politics. YOU are saying that congress should not open an inquiry because it isnt a pretty political narrative. this sentiment is a large part of why politics in this nation are so fcked up. when politics affects decisions ethical decisions.

    keep in mind you may not agree with the sentiment that trump obstructed justice. thats fine, this is about what congress believes. it's ethics versus politics. thats the debate
    Funny how I never mentioned anything about congressional inquiries. I merely commented on your call for impeachment proceedings.
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    Nah, trump has another term locked up. No point to even go vote


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    This is abundantly clear. But why does trump refuse to take a stand against it? Why does Moscow Mitch refuse to pass bills to prevent it?
    no lawyer worth anything is going to let their client testify on their own behalf if they don't absolutely have to. Trump has nothing to gain and everything to lose from it
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    Originally Posted by Trapstar4.4 View Post
    close your mouth. you dont know what you believe. so maybe you should start there
    I can prove it has nothing to do with the law - Democrats support illegal aliens. That's enough proof it's about politics.
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