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    Question Whey vs meat

    I’ve adopted a carnivore diet and am averaging over 200 g of protein per day. Would protein powder still be beneficial after workouts?
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    No. If you eat enough protein from other sources you don't need whey.
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    Nope and neither is your diet.
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    No but some vegetables would likely be pretty beneficial for your health
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    What does that mean
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    It means to eat a variety of foods. You'll get your micronutrients from them.
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    Originally Posted by wowserino View Post
    What does that mean
    A diet without fruit and vegetables will be unhealthy.
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    I’m not here to debate whether the carnivore diet is good or bad. I just needed to know if fast absorbing protein is needed after a workout for optimal results.

    As fast as the diet goes, don’t knock it till you’ve tried it. My digestive issues and skin issues have disappeared since starting the diet 4 months ago. I plan on adding vegetables back in slowly but I’m feeling great right now. If your issue with it is ethical I’m not sympathetic.
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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    It means to eat a variety of foods. You'll get your micronutrients from them.
    That’s not accurate. I track my nutrition with Cronometer and I get WAY more of almost everything than I did on a paleo diet. The exceptions are folate, manganese, and vitamin c. I’m supplementing with those although lots of people eat this way without supplementing and don’t have problems.
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    Originally Posted by wowserino View Post
    I’m not here to debate whether the carnivore diet is good or bad.
    You must be new to this here internet.

    Anyway, there are numerous studies on protein absorption, but the long shot is that it doesn’t really matter. The only relevant bit is the bit you don’t want to hear - a varied diet is inherently more nutritious than any of the fad diets and will result in better overall health, which is likely to improve your long-term results through better longevity of your lifting career.
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    Originally Posted by wowserino View Post
    That’s not accurate. I track my nutrition with Cronometer and I get WAY more of almost everything than I did on a paleo diet. The exceptions are folate, manganese, and vitamin c. I’m supplementing with those although lots of people eat this way without supplementing and don’t have problems.
    So you've already found 3 that you're not getting enough of. There's more: vitamin K1. You need both K1 and K2. And then there's phytonutrients and all sort of compounds with beneficial effects that you're not getting.

    Taking a vitamin supplement is better than nothing, but it doesn't come close to the health benefits of eating vegetables and fruit.
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    Originally Posted by Mrpb View Post
    So you've already found 3 that you're not getting enough of. There's more: vitamin K1. You need both K1 and K2. And then there's phytonutrients and all sort of compounds with beneficial effects that you're not getting.

    Taking a vitamin supplement is better than nothing, but it doesn't come close to the health benefits of eating vegetables and fruit.
    You’re probably right. But right now I feel better than when I was a teenager. I have ZERO digestive issues. I don’t fart at all. My eczema and Folliculitis is gone. I just feel good. I’m planning on adding veggies back in slowly but I’m stalling because how good I feel.

    I think it’s funny how quickly you guys jumped at the chance to inform me that I need vegetables when I mentioned carnivore. All I asked was if I needed post workout fast absorbing protein on top of my high protein consumption to have optimal progress. (Thanks for letting me know that I don’t)
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    There is likely one or two things you've eliminated which caused what you describe.

    The problem is you've also eliminated a lot of good things too. Making informed adjustments to you diet is great but the fact is that humans aren't designed to be pure carnivores. The physiology of our digestive tract is that of an omnivore. Fortunately it sounds like you know it's not a long term thing.

    To answer your question, speed of digestion of protein is not important when you are eating a lot of it (or at most other times). Whey is also associated (in some people) with acne so leaving it out might be a benefit if that's an issue for you.
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    Originally Posted by wowserino View Post
    I think it’s funny how quickly you guys jumped at the chance to inform me that I need vegetables when I mentioned carnivore.
    You're on a nutrition forum. People get advice here on how to eat healthy.

    All I asked was if I needed post workout fast absorbing protein on top of my high protein consumption to have optimal progress.
    Well you asked a question AND you mentioned you're following a very restrictive diet.

    (Thanks for letting me know that I don’t)
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    i still take whey after my workouts, but i don't eat that much protein overall
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    Originally Posted by Vandeman17 View Post
    Nope and neither is your diet.
    Keto, Paleo, Vegan, Carnivore; all mostly worthless.

    People need to learn to read nutrition labels.
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    As long as your micronutrient base is taken care of, the biggest thing I've noticed when consuming large amounts of whey vs. meats is satiety. There are days when I rely on whey for more of my protein needs than I probably should just due to circumstance, and I feel like on those days I could eat 1000 calories more just from being so much more hungry vs meat.
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    Originally Posted by wowserino View Post
    If your issue with it is ethical I’m not sympathetic.
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    There is no specific amount of protein intake , but the general consensus is that you need 1,2 to 2,2 grams of protein per kg of bodyweight .If you cannot fulfill your needs with meat then whey can help.
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    With that much protein from your diet you don't need additional from supplements. The carnivore diet is great choice for any fitness goal.
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