They'll be PLENTY of used V8s. Hellcat, Scat Pack, AMG, Z06, 5.0, etc. Buy them NOW and you're good for the next 30 years. We can't make the same mistake our grandfather's did with the old school American muscle.
My next car with be an E63 6.2 liter. Dream car probably a Viper.
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11-27-2021, 06:54 AM #1
Our favorite ICE engines are dying off. Will you be keeping any?
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11-27-2021, 07:05 AM #2
The issue isn't going to be keeping them, the issue is going to be registering, insuring and inspecting them. They have a lot of ways to make it insanely expensive to keep them or nearly impossible to legally drive them.
They will probably start with impounding and destroying all non-stock cars, you know, for the environment.Eat in a deficit to lose weight.
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11-27-2021, 07:09 AM #3
I've never heard of said cases with classic American muscle. I doubt they do anything to make ownership hard considering car enthusiasts are a very small bunch.
How many 70s Chevelles, Chargers, Challengers, Camaros do you see on the streets?
Worst case I'll just drive late nights on some back roads
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11-27-2021, 07:23 AM #4
What if getting caught means your car is destroyed and you pay a huge fine? People that don't drive and don't care about cars will eventually be a huge portion of voters. They are just going to go along with it like everyone is going along with the COVID-19 BS.
All they are going to have to do is to make the case that we are killing people and the planet and people will support whatever solution is proposed.Last edited by nosirrahx; 11-27-2021 at 07:30 AM.
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11-27-2021, 07:27 AM #5
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Under the current plan, you'd still be able to buy combustion engines in the US >2035 as long as they're considered plug-in hybrids. So I'd expect die-hard ICE models to begin doing whatever bare minimum required to satisfy that. If restrictions are imposed on existing vehicles, maybe retrofitting them to satisfy those requirements will become a thing?
I bet that long term and bigger picture, pure ICE goes the way of mechanical watches and will become toys mostly for wealthy enthusiasts
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11-27-2021, 07:35 AM #6
Plug-in hybrids have the potential to be pretty great. The future of performance cars could be EV platforms where engaging sport mode enables an additional 250-400 HP from an purpose built small forced induction ICE. This ICE could also double as an emergency battery charger.
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11-27-2021, 08:04 AM #8
When you reinvent the ICE and transmission to be part of a hybrid drivetrain instead of gluing existing technology together you can get a hell of a lot more efficiency out of the equation.
The magic figures will be under 80K, over 600HP combined power and under 3000lbs. If someone can pull this off in a hybrid sports car then they will have a winner. Obviously more expensive cars will have numbers that blow this out of the water but for the average car guy this would be plenty.
There is also nothing stopping an EV or hybrid from being a manual.Eat in a deficit to lose weight.
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11-27-2021, 09:21 AM #9
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I could see a world where cars aren't even allowed on public roads if they don't drive themselves
2011-2014 Ford Raptor with the 6.2L V8 will always retain its value IMO. Legendary engine with an incredible exhaust sound, and you don't need public roads to have fun with it. ICE cars will become toys in a couple decades, and the Raptor is an excellent toy that can be taken out anywhere.
Fun sports cars with engines that sound good (so not a BMW M4, for example) will also hold their value, especially if racetracks still exist and aren't banned due to emissions or some chit. Porsche 911 w/ manual transmission seems like an obvious ICE vehicle that should retain its value. It is obvious that the best performing cars around the track will be EVs/hybrids - so the sports cars that retain their value aren't about being fast or anything - its about their exhaust sound, their history and how iconic they are, how "fun" they are (whatever that means to you - I know what is fun to me)
100% agreed
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11-27-2021, 12:41 PM #11
punishing the west while 3rd world countries are still running around on 2 stroke scooters, dirty old gen diesels, no or little enforcement/regulation on the commercial level ect
You just wait they are going to push electric more and more. tax payer subsidization of the for profit auto industry is only the beginning. They will have rules like you can only drive on even or odd days of the week with your ICE engine and you have to telework the other day ect. Climate lockdown changes are coming but they will except electric cars and ignore they get their power from fossil fuel electric plants.
clown world is only beginning.
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11-27-2021, 03:36 PM #12
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11-28-2021, 09:13 AM #16
Wow, good thing you pointed that out. No one has thought of that problem. [end sarcasm]
Lol, you don’t think there is already a battery recycling market? Or that there are (and has been) many millions being dumped into that market from companies (including the car makers and battery makers) to take advantage of an upcoming market?
Or that governments aren’t already dumping many millions into EV battery recycling from a strategic independent standpoint as to not have to rely on foreign materials?
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11-29-2021, 11:01 AM #19
Not to chit on your point but what engines from 30-50yrs ago arent widely available?
You might find it hard to get some of the more obscure ones, a ford 4.2l windsor V8 or GM 5.7l diesel or some other smog dog that only had 1-2 model years. But if you have trouble finding a small or big block engine from any of the big manufacturers from mid-60s and on IDK what to tell you.------♥♥-----
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12-02-2021, 12:56 AM #22
Another V12 just got the axe...
Aston Martin Says Goodbye to the V12 Vantage With a Roar
There is speculation that the grand tourer could also be the brand's goodbye to the V-12 engine.
https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/a...ed-1234650926/
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12-03-2021, 05:59 AM #26
Bit of a story.....not trying to jack the thread.
I was already building the 402, needed a car to put it in, got a great deal on the Skylark that just happened to have the 455 in it.
The 402 was gifted to me from my Father-in-Law (who was planning on rebuilding it) and told me "my payment will be seeing it running and knowing you built it"
So I feel like I'm between a rock and a hard place on this project......I think I'm going to do a relatively stock rebuild on the 402, keep compression low, gap the rings and throw a whirly boi on it. Then build the 455 so when I blow the 402....boom big boy back up motor goes back in.
The other option would be to sell the running 455 for $2k to help finance the project but I'm not sure I can pull myself to do that.
Here's my thread on the car.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...hp?t=180724333
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12-03-2021, 09:30 AM #27
The more I think about it the more I like keeping the 455. It was an iconic 70s motor, correct for the era and the car, and it was a torque monster.
Find and rebuild a set of ebay cylinder heads, they were the bottleneck on the early 70s motors. Dual plane intake, carb, and headers. If you want to go nuts $2k would get you forged internals for a 488 stroker kit.
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