Our favorite ICE engines are dying off. Will you be keeping any?

[MikeLowrrrey]

They'll be PLENTY of used V8s. Hellcat, Scat Pack, AMG, Z06, 5.0, etc. Buy them NOW and you're good for the next 30 years. We can't make the same mistake our grandfather's did with the old school American muscle.


My next car with be an E63 6.2 liter. Dream car probably a Viper.

[nosirrahx]

They'll be PLENTY of used V8s. Hellcat, Scat Pack, AMG, Z06, 5.0, etc. Buy them NOW and you're good for the next 30 years. We can't make the same mistake our grandfather's did with the old school American muscle.

My next car with be an E63 6.2 liter. Dream car probably a Viper.

The issue isn't going to be keeping them, the issue is going to be registering, insuring and inspecting them. They have a lot of ways to make it insanely expensive to keep them or nearly impossible to legally drive them.

They will probably start with impounding and destroying all non-stock cars, you know, for the environment.

[MikeLowrrrey]

The issue isn't going to be keeping them, the issue is going to be registering, insuring and inspecting them. They have a lot of ways to make it insanely expensive to keep them or nearly impossible to legally drive them.

They will probably start with impounding and destroying all non-stock cars, you know, for the environment.

I've never heard of said cases with classic American muscle. I doubt they do anything to make ownership hard considering car enthusiasts are a very small bunch.

How many 70s Chevelles, Chargers, Challengers, Camaros do you see on the streets?


Worst case I'll just drive late nights on some back roads

[nosirrahx]

I've never heard of said cases with classic American muscle. I doubt they do anything to make ownership hard considering car enthusiasts are a very small bunch.

How many 70s Chevelles, Chargers, Challengers, Camaros do you see on the streets?

Worst case I'll just drive late nights on some back roads

What if getting caught means your car is destroyed and you pay a huge fine? People that don't drive and don't care about cars will eventually be a huge portion of voters. They are just going to go along with it like everyone is going along with the COVID-19 BS.

All they are going to have to do is to make the case that we are killing people and the planet and people will support whatever solution is proposed.

[Destor]

Under the current plan, you'd still be able to buy combustion engines in the US >2035 as long as they're considered plug-in hybrids. So I'd expect die-hard ICE models to begin doing whatever bare minimum required to satisfy that. If restrictions are imposed on existing vehicles, maybe retrofitting them to satisfy those requirements will become a thing?


I bet that long term and bigger picture, pure ICE goes the way of mechanical watches and will become toys mostly for wealthy enthusiasts

[nosirrahx]

Under the current plan, you'd still be able to buy combustion engines in the US >2035 as long as they're considered plug-in hybrids. So I'd expect die-hard ICE models to begin doing whatever bare minimum required to satisfy that. If restrictions are imposed on existing vehicles, maybe retrofitting them to satisfy those requirements will become a thing?

I bet that long term and bigger picture, pure ICE goes the way of mechanical watches and will become toys mostly for wealthy enthusiasts

Plug-in hybrids have the potential to be pretty great. The future of performance cars could be EV platforms where engaging sport mode enables an additional 250-400 HP from an purpose built small forced induction ICE. This ICE could also double as an emergency battery charger.

[Destor]

Plug-in hybrids have the potential to be pretty great. The future of performance cars could be EV platforms where engaging sport mode enables an additional 250-400 HP from an purpose built small forced induction ICE. This ICE could also double as an emergency battery charger.

A future with powertrains like the Koenigsegg Gemera would be fukn sweet, little 2L 3-banger that puts out like 700hp combined with three electric motors while being super clean and effecient

[nosirrahx]

A future with powertrains like the Koenigsegg Gemera would be fukn sweet, little 2L 3-banger that puts out like 700hp combined with three electric motors while being super clean and effecient

When you reinvent the ICE and transmission to be part of a hybrid drivetrain instead of gluing existing technology together you can get a hell of a lot more efficiency out of the equation.

The magic figures will be under 80K, over 600HP combined power and under 3000lbs. If someone can pull this off in a hybrid sports car then they will have a winner. Obviously more expensive cars will have numbers that blow this out of the water but for the average car guy this would be plenty.

There is also nothing stopping an EV or hybrid from being a manual.

[SouthDakotaBrah]

I could see a world where cars aren't even allowed on public roads if they don't drive themselves

2011-2014 Ford Raptor with the 6.2L V8 will always retain its value IMO. Legendary engine with an incredible exhaust sound, and you don't need public roads to have fun with it. ICE cars will become toys in a couple decades, and the Raptor is an excellent toy that can be taken out anywhere.

Fun sports cars with engines that sound good (so not a BMW M4, for example) will also hold their value, especially if racetracks still exist and aren't banned due to emissions or some chit. Porsche 911 w/ manual transmission seems like an obvious ICE vehicle that should retain its value. It is obvious that the best performing cars around the track will be EVs/hybrids - so the sports cars that retain their value aren't about being fast or anything - its about their exhaust sound, their history and how iconic they are, how "fun" they are (whatever that means to you - I know what is fun to me)

I bet that long term and bigger picture, pure ICE goes the way of mechanical watches and will become toys mostly for wealthy enthusiasts

100% agreed

[akmerle]

With the Trackhawk not looking like it will make it into the next Gen Grand Cherokee, I am seriously looking at getting one.

Loved my 2014 Jeep SRT, and was the best vehicle I’ve ever owned for 7 years. Kick myself for not replacing it with a Trackhawk or at least another SRT.

[elterrible987]

punishing the west while 3rd world countries are still running around on 2 stroke scooters, dirty old gen diesels, no or little enforcement/regulation on the commercial level ect



You just wait they are going to push electric more and more. tax payer subsidization of the for profit auto industry is only the beginning. They will have rules like you can only drive on even or odd days of the week with your ICE engine and you have to telework the other day ect. Climate lockdown changes are coming but they will except electric cars and ignore they get their power from fossil fuel electric plants.

clown world is only beginning.

[Ramoneb87]

I'm noticing a trend of swapping new engines into old cars. Alot of LS swaps into old muscle cars. My coworkers dad has an old Cutlass with a duramax in it so he can roll coal. You just have to be willing to drive a car old enough to be smog exempt

[JayJ350]

punishing the west while 3rd world countries are still running around on 2 stroke scooters, dirty old gen diesels, no or little enforcement/regulation on the commercial level ect



You just wait they are going to push electric more and more. tax payer subsidization of the for profit auto industry is only the beginning. They will have rules like you can only drive on even or odd days of the week with your ICE engine and you have to telework the other day ect. Climate lockdown changes are coming but they will except electric cars and ignore they get their power from fossil fuel electric plants.

clown world is only beginning.

Electric's days are numbered. In 10 years time it will be impossible to ignore the impact EV car production will have on the environment and the e-waste from all the batteries going kaput will be incredible. It's doomed to become the next environmentalism bad guy.

[tunafishha]

Gently used 2012 Lexus GS F Sport in Riviera Red.

V6.

[greenleaf]

V12. ICE swan song worthy / YOLO lease candidate. Leasing new only, no thx jeff without warranty.

[akmerle]

Electric's days are numbered. In 10 years time it will be impossible to ignore the impact EV car production will have on the environment and the e-waste from all the batteries going kaput will be incredible. It's doomed to become the next environmentalism bad guy.

Wow, good thing you pointed that out. No one has thought of that problem. [end sarcasm]

Lol, you don’t think there is already a battery recycling market? Or that there are (and has been) many millions being dumped into that market from companies (including the car makers and battery makers) to take advantage of an upcoming market?

Or that governments aren’t already dumping many millions into EV battery recycling from a strategic independent standpoint as to not have to rely on foreign materials?

[ClivesTriceps]

I'm keeping this one for sure

[dannyg1217]

I need to get a vetted before this happens.

Have a 6.2l v8 LS3 (camaro ss) and a 4.8l twin turbo (cayenne turbo), will keep them till they die.

[engj]

They'll be PLENTY of used V8s. Hellcat, Scat Pack, AMG, Z06, 5.0, etc. Buy them NOW and you're good for the next 30 years. We can't make the same mistake our grandfather's did with the old school American muscle.


My next car with be an E63 6.2 liter. Dream car probably a Viper.

Not to chit on your point but what engines from 30-50yrs ago arent widely available?

You might find it hard to get some of the more obscure ones, a ford 4.2l windsor V8 or GM 5.7l diesel or some other smog dog that only had 1-2 model years. But if you have trouble finding a small or big block engine from any of the big manufacturers from mid-60s and on IDK what to tell you.

[ClivesTriceps]

Not to chit on your point but what engines from 30-50yrs ago arent widely available?

You might find it hard to get some of the more obscure ones, a ford 4.2l windsor V8 or GM 5.7l diesel or some other smog dog that only had 1-2 model years. But if you have trouble finding a small or big block engine from any of the big manufacturers from mid-60s and on IDK what to tell you.

There's enough 5.3 truck LS engines to give to every man, woman, and child on the planet lol

[yabbayabba]

There's enough 5.3 truck LS engines to give to every man, woman, and child on the planet lol

It's already sad that so many Foxbody's are LS powered. I shutter to think that in our post covid world collapse the only thing left is Teslas with no juice and LS swapped Tacomas.

[greenleaf]

Another V12 just got the axe...




Aston Martin Says Goodbye to the V12 Vantage With a Roar

There is speculation that the grand tourer could also be the brand's goodbye to the V-12 engine.

https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/a...ed-1234650926/

[bsmit107]

Currently driving (as a weekend car) a 72 Skylark with a mild 455 Big Block that gets about 9 miles to the gallon and a straight piped exhaust.....and building a 402 Big block to have about 500hp to swap into the skylark when its done.

Fuk electric cars.

[ClivesTriceps]

Currently driving (as a weekend car) a 72 Skylark with a mild 455 Big Block that gets about 9 miles to the gallon and a straight piped exhaust.....and building a 402 Big block to have about 500hp to swap into the skylark when its done.

Fuk electric cars.

Surely you jest, replacing a 455 with a 402.

[shmobin]

With the Trackhawk not looking like it will make it into the next Gen Grand Cherokee, I am seriously looking at getting one.

Loved my 2014 Jeep SRT, and was the best vehicle I’ve ever owned for 7 years. Kick myself for not replacing it with a Trackhawk or at least another SRT.

I will be keeping my Jeep SRT as long as lolifornia allows me to drive it.

[bsmit107]

Surely you jest, replacing a 455 with a 402.

Bit of a story.....not trying to jack the thread.

I was already building the 402, needed a car to put it in, got a great deal on the Skylark that just happened to have the 455 in it.

The 402 was gifted to me from my Father-in-Law (who was planning on rebuilding it) and told me "my payment will be seeing it running and knowing you built it"

So I feel like I'm between a rock and a hard place on this project......I think I'm going to do a relatively stock rebuild on the 402, keep compression low, gap the rings and throw a whirly boi on it. Then build the 455 so when I blow the 402....boom big boy back up motor goes back in.

The other option would be to sell the running 455 for $2k to help finance the project but I'm not sure I can pull myself to do that.

Here's my thread on the car.

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...hp?t=180724333

[engj]

Bit of a story.....not trying to jack the thread.

I was already building the 402, needed a car to put it in, got a great deal on the Skylark that just happened to have the 455 in it.

The 402 was gifted to me from my Father-in-Law (who was planning on rebuilding it) and told me "my payment will be seeing it running and knowing you built it"

So I feel like I'm between a rock and a hard place on this project......I think I'm going to do a relatively stock rebuild on the 402, keep compression low, gap the rings and throw a whirly boi on it. Then build the 455 so when I blow the 402....boom big boy back up motor goes back in.

The other option would be to sell the running 455 for $2k to help finance the project but I'm not sure I can pull myself to do that.

Here's my thread on the car.

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...hp?t=180724333

The more I think about it the more I like keeping the 455. It was an iconic 70s motor, correct for the era and the car, and it was a torque monster.

Find and rebuild a set of ebay cylinder heads, they were the bottleneck on the early 70s motors. Dual plane intake, carb, and headers. If you want to go nuts $2k would get you forged internals for a 488 stroker kit.

A 396/402 is a step backwards, and an LS with a Chinese turbo is getting too common.

[ClivesTriceps]

The more I think about it the more I like keeping the 455. It was an iconic 70s motor, correct for the era and the car, and it was a torque monster.

Find and rebuild a set of ebay cylinder heads, they were the bottleneck on the early 70s motors. Dual plane intake, carb, and headers. If you want to go nuts $2k would get you forged internals for a 488 stroker kit.

A 396/402 is a step backwards, and an LS with a Chinese turbo is getting too common.

The 455 in 1970 made 510 pounds of torque at 2600rpm. It was a monster engine in the Buick GS, it was one of the top 10 fastest muscle cars made

[RobParks2M]

punishing the west while 3rd world countries are still running around on 2 stroke scooters, dirty old gen diesels, no or little enforcement/regulation on the commercial level ect

You just wait they are going to push electric more and more. tax payer subsidization of the for profit auto industry is only the beginning. They will have rules like you can only drive on even or odd days of the week with your ICE engine and you have to telework the other day ect. Climate lockdown changes are coming but they will except electric cars and ignore they get their power from fossil fuel electric plants.

clown world is only beginning.

Lmao if you don't have at least one toy that is still 2 stroke. I'm over here fiending for my new polaris 850 turbo to get to my dealer it should be coming next week. I would already have trouble sleeping if it wasn't for the fact there is hardly any snow here.