Who are low carb diets for?

[mgftp]

Ironic, coming from the man who thinks that carbs cause neurodegenerative diseases.

Maybe it knows you struggle with comprehension of the English language too. If only it can stop you posting completely, AI fully evolved. Hehe

[Mrpb]

Maybe it knows you struggle with comprehension of the English language too. If only it can stop you posting completely, AI fully evolved. Hehe

So now you claim you don't think there is causation, but you did stop eating carbs on most days... Hehe. This is funny.

More and more data linking carbs to neuro degenerative diseases is enough to make me personally desire to eat keto at least most days.

[broganoff]

Most gym bro's probably FEEL leaner when cutting on low carb because carbs come with water, and they also can 'bulk up' more in your gut from fiber, etc, so you might feel leaner/flatter with more fat, but that isn't true fat tissue.

Agreed. You will probably carry a few less pounds of water weight. Plus you won't have the fluctuations in water weight that come with eating a pizza or a huge plate of pasta the day before, even if your calories were more in check. All of that helps the scale go down, assuming a deficit, in a nice linear manner with minimal fluctuations from bloating, glycogen, etc.

Other than that, the indirect aspects of low carb diets such as greater satiation, less cravings, exclusion of hyper palatable foods, etc help with keeping calorie intake in check. However this is coming from someone who feels more satiated with a lower carb meal- some people need big plates of carbs to get full.

[GeneralSerpant]

Any such thing as in-betweeners?

[kusok]

mrpb

That’s interesting, can it be that better TEF of carbs over fat, and maybe higher free testosterone, also result of more carbs(?) were causes for the higher carb group to be better?

GeneralSerpant, well, Arnold did that, about 250 grams carbs “only” and more fat. And obviously natty!

[Mrpb]

mrpb

That’s interesting, can it be that better TEF of carbs over fat, and maybe higher free testosterone, also result of more carbs(?) were causes for the higher carb group to be better?

Well keep in mind that the study only observed what they did. There was no high carb vs. low carb group. They only observed that the most successful ones tended to be on the highest carb intake (and protein) intake. Their total calorie intake was also the highest.

A number of factors may have played a role. It could be caused by the successful bodybuilders having the best insulin sensitivity, therefor they consumed most carbs (which helped them keep activity levels high). It's also possible they just trained with higher volume and/or did more cardio. Or maybe their (apparent) higher calorie needs were caused by higher NEAT.

While testosterone levels weren't measured, I don't expect it played an important role. Past studies have suggested it plays a minor role.

[necon76]

My experience.

I feel better in general. Weight management is easier (the wife says I've been recomping). I'm never sluggish after a meal, and I can go long periods without eating if needed without any ill effects (hanger, cravings, etc). Also, I find I can control my intake much more easily, as I'm far less tempted to indulge or binge. I'm just as strong in the gym too. So for me personally, the only downside is probably not being able to eat carby treats, but if I really wanted to, I would anyway. Started experimenting with TKD lately too, and have been smashing out 90 minute full body workouts like a champ.

[deano110]

The less successful ones (that din’t place) tended to consume less carbs. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5769537/

I actually took part in that study and know a lot of the other participants.

The lead author, Dr Andrew Chappell, is a pro-natural bodybuilder here in the UK. He has done, and continues to carry out some great research in the physique competitor realm. If you're interested in more of his work he has a ******** and instagram page were he shares his research articles, in addition to a youtube page which is documenting his current prep.

[Mrpb]

I actually took part in that study and know a lot of the other participants.

The lead author, Dr Andrew Chappell, is a pro-natural bodybuilder here in the UK. He has done, and continues to carry out some great research in the physique competitor realm. If you're interested in more of his work he has a ******** and instagram page were he shares his research articles, in addition to a youtube page which is documenting his current prep.

Thanks. I'll follow him. Interesting stuff!

[mgftp]

So now you claim you don't think there is causation, but you did stop eating carbs on most days... Hehe. This is funny.

More English fail. Keep trying. We already know it's not your first language, but damn, is it your 7th? I trust you aren't as stupid as you come off due to your lack of understanding the language.

[AdamWW]

Can we all be adults and not throw needless insults and negative sarcasm back and forth over an internet forum? It hardly seems like a productive use of a potentially interesting discussion to call people 'stupid', etc....

[Mrpb]

More English fail. Keep trying. We already know it's not your first language, but damn, is it your 7th? I trust you aren't as stupid as you come off due to your lack of understanding the language.

Actually it isn't the language that you're not picking up on this time, it's the implied logic.

But really, if you just want to make claims and not back them up with data, the misc is a much better place for that. Here it's normal to back up your claims when asked to.

[kusok]

My experience.

I feel better in general. Weight management is easier (the wife says I've been recomping). I'm never sluggish after a meal, and I can go long periods without eating if needed without any ill effects (hanger, cravings, etc). Also, I find I can control my intake much more easily, as I'm far less tempted to indulge or binge. I'm just as strong in the gym too. So for me personally, the only downside is probably not being able to eat carby treats, but if I really wanted to, I would anyway. Started experimenting with TKD lately too, and have been smashing out 90 minute full body workouts like a champ.

Do you find low libido and muscle flatness on low carbs? I always noticed that...

Do you carb up?

[kusok]

People with insulin resistance are going to produce more insulin. Just because you have insulin resistance in some parts of the body does not mean you have the same level of insulin resistance everywhere. Additionally, we don't fully understand metabolic syndrome, insulin resistance, weight gain, and what comes first (some evidence suggest weight gain comes first in some instances while in others insulin resistance drives weight gain). So if you have insulin resistance and eat a lot fast absorbing carbs, that will cause a big jump in blood glucose, you'll get a lot more insulin secreted, and that insulin will drive all of the anabolic processes in the body, including increased adiposity. So with insulin resistance low carb diets can be helpful, though the Ma Pi 2 diet has been shown to work well and this is a high carb diet (but slow-digesting and thus not causing big swings in blood glucose).

Answer: diabetes or prediabetes.

Ok., so then a follow-up question, those pre diabetics etc. on low carb diets does their body composition improve VS if they ate higher carb diet?

And should low carbers carb up at some point?

[necon76]

Do you find low libido and muscle flatness on low carbs? I always noticed that...

Do you carb up?

No carb up days. Muscles seem full. Libido is fine too.

[mgftp]

Actually it isn't the language that you're not picking up on this time, it's the implied logic.

But really, if you just want to make claims and not back them up with data, the misc is a much better place for that. Here it's normal to back up your claims when asked to.

I really can not figure out if you actually are having such a hard time with basic English communication or you just pretend to in your quest to appear "right" on the internet.

Do you find low libido and muscle flatness on low carbs? I always noticed that...

Do you carb up?

Never had a libido issue but I am flat AF without carbs, eat a high carb meal and I look ripped in comparison, lol

No carb up days. Muscles seem full. Libido is fine too.

pics of libido for proof?

[Dorich]

Can't we all just get along?

[Mrpb]

I really can not figure out if you actually are having such a hard time with basic English communication or you just pretend to in your quest to appear "right" on the internet.

I guess you haven't really understood the point I was making in post #32, otherwise you wouldn't keep thinking it's a language thing. I'll try to explain one more time: If someone says: 'more and more data links X to Y, so I'm going to do less X', that person believes there is some kind of causative role going of X on Y, otherwise it wouldn't make sense to do less X. Try to refute that logic with logic.

And besides that, you made a claim: "more and more data links carbs to neuro degenerative diseases".

Can you back up this claim with peer reviewed science? Try it at least.

[Heisman2]

Ok., so then a follow-up question, those pre diabetics etc. on low carb diets does their body composition improve VS if they ate higher carb diet?

And should low carbers carb up at some point?

I'm not sure regarding the physique. In general most people with prediabetes are going to live relatively unhealthy lifestyles and have considerable excess bodyfat. For those individuals I doubt it matters much as long as they start living healthier and lose the excess fat; they will mostly be beginners when it comes to physique training. Exceptions would be people who use a lot of performance enhancing drugs and are moving towards diabetes from that, as well as people with genetic forms of pediabetes/diabetes. In the latter the issue will mostly be lack of insulin production as opposed to insulin resistance. It is quite uncommon to have genetic-induced insulin resistance while living a healthy lifestyle.

So overall I don't think it's the right question to ask.

Low carbers can always carb up if they need more glycogen for any given occasion.

[LukeEverhart]

And besides that, you made a claim: "more and more data links carbs to neuro degenerative diseases".

Can you back up this claim with peer reviewed science? Try it at least.

I'm not going to wade into the back and forth between the parties in this thread but do want to mention the common association of diabetes with the neurodegenerative disease Alzheimers. The association is pervasive enough that much of the medical community has colloquially been referring to Alzheimers as "type 3 diabetes" for years (do a google search of "type 3 diabetes"). Wikipedia's usual nonsense notwithstanding, it's a common nickname used by neuroscientists at the Mayo Clinic like Dr. Guojun Bu to endocrinologists at Johns Hopkins to the Journal of Diabetes Science & Technology, like this interesting examination:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2769828/

[Nicksosure1]

Man I love how sensitive people are on here regarding different diets. Everybody loves to tell people they’re doing something wrong.

[Paulie1986]

Man I love how sensitive people are on here regarding different diets. Everybody loves to tell people they’re doing something wrong.

Everyone likes to be right. I don't take notice because what works for me may not work for anyone else. There is only a grey area with any diet.

[Nicksosure1]

Everyone likes to be right. I don't take notice because what works for me may not work for anyone else. There is only a grey area with any diet.

Yep. It’s just hilarious knowing the replies to a thread like “Need advice on my Keto diet” before even opening it.

Instead of people actually answering the questions being asked, the majority of the replies will just be “Why are you doing that?”, “You know that doesn’t work better than any other diet, right??”

I mean come on, just help the person out.

[LukeEverhart]

because what works for me may not work for anyone else. There is only a grey area with any diet.

A good point for every aspect of training and diet that often seems lost.
There are general physiological processes and norms, of course, but too many forget that the phenotypic variance we see in people (3' tall vs 7' tall, etc) is just as pronounced in our less obvious biology.

[Heisman2]

Yep. It’s just hilarious knowing the replies to a thread like “Need advice on my Keto diet” before even opening it.

Instead of people actually answering the questions being asked, the majority of the replies will just be “Why are you doing that?”, “You know that doesn’t work better than any other diet, right??”

I mean come on, just help the person out.

I almost always ask why they are doing it as it is an opportunity to clear up misconceptions. If someone wants to do keto because they think it works better than other diets due to a change in physiology, I can correct that thought and then they won't necessarily feel the need to follow such a restrictive diet that cuts out many health-promoting foods.

[LukeEverhart]

To continue the point... There are people allergic to sun, allergic to grass, immune to some viruses (like HIV), and so on. This vast human variability has to be kept in mind as regards training & diet.
Sure, start with some generally true principles and methods on both fronts, but over time to be successful you have to monitor the individual responses of your body and adjust accordingly.

[Nicksosure1]

I almost always ask why they are doing it as it is an opportunity to clear up misconceptions. If someone wants to do keto because they think it works better than other diets due to a change in physiology, I can correct that thought and then they won't necessarily feel the need to follow such a restrictive diet that cuts out many health-promoting foods.

Oh man I know there are people on here like you who are genuinely trying to guide. But for everyone of you, there’s 20 others that are like the people who I’m referring to. It’s almost fatiguing having to read through those replies just to get to a helpful one.

[Heisman2]

Oh man I know there are people on here like you who are genuinely trying to guide. But for everyone of you, there’s 20 others that are like the people who I’m referring to. It’s almost fatiguing having to read through those replies just to get to a helpful one.

I will grant you that, I do know what you are talking about and it is frustrating when posters do not try to help those people.

[hardyboysare]

The problem I have with any of these so called diets be fad or whatever they are classed as is people somehow think they are superior to normal restrictive calories which is just not the case.

They like to think of the new miracle way to improve body composition and they will jump up and down claiming that running this diet will cause better fat loss or whatever. Any restrictive diet which eliminates a set macro is just daft in my view not only for body composition but health, why people follow these kinds of extreme diets is beyond me when just eating less/ more of normal foods will work just as well.

And then to add supplements as they know its causing a restriction in micros is just funny, so you know its not good for you but still do it.

[mgftp]

I guess you haven't really understood the point I was making in post #32, otherwise you wouldn't keep thinking it's a language thing. I'll try to explain one more time: If someone says: 'more and more data links X to Y, so I'm going to do less X', that person believes there is some kind of causative role going of X on Y, otherwise it wouldn't make sense to do less X. Try to refute that logic with logic.

And besides that, you made a claim: "more and more data links carbs to neuro degenerative diseases".

Can you back up this claim with peer reviewed science? Try it at least.

Bro, why are you rephrasing the same thing over and over again? I know what you are about and everyone who has seen you post enough knows what you are about, cherry picking data to support your arguments while pretending those that don't just don't exist I have to say if I was in front of my computer more I'd have fun going back and forth with you just to procrastinate real work, but I am not these days and there is no other point. Your responses indicate one of 3 things, you are retarded, can not communicate in the English language well, or twist meaning and context just to argue on the internet. You really want to know more about what I said rather than argue and pretend you know something why not do some research? You claim to know everything, but you can't even figure out how to use Google? Here: https://support.google.com/websearch...r/134479?hl=en

I'm not going to wade into the back and forth between the parties in this thread but do want to mention the common association of diabetes with the neurodegenerative disease Alzheimers. The association is pervasive enough that much of the medical community has colloquially been referring to Alzheimers as "type 3 diabetes" for years (do a google search of "type 3 diabetes"). Wikipedia's usual nonsense notwithstanding, it's a common nickname used by neuroscientists at the Mayo Clinic like Dr. Guojun Bu to endocrinologists at Johns Hopkins to the Journal of Diabetes Science & Technology, like this interesting examination:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2769828/

You obviously aren't familiar with this guy, strap in. I'll check back in for the entertainment though.