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    We need to take back control of definitions and interpretations

    Do you know how liberals are currently controlling the narrative? By changing definitions and forcing their own interpretations on everyone else. I will explain what I mean, because this is super important to understand.

    Take the word "homophobe". Phobia means fear, it's latin. If you have phobia for insects, you are scared of insects. However, with homophobia, liberals have vastly expanded the definition of the word, so "homophobia" mean everything that is even slightly ciritcal towards the LGBTQHYAACCCXXX community. This way, they can label people who don't share their values with a nasty word. Expanding the definition of the word, then start labeling people of different opinions with it.

    Another example is "diversity". Liberals' definition of diversity is entirely based on gender and etnicity. My definition of that word is based on values and opinions. Liberals HATE diversity if you use my definition of it. They don't want any other opinions or values than their own. So they're actually AGAINST diversity.

    Imagine a single word as a box. What liberals are doing is putting lots and lots of content into that box - to widen the definition, with the purpose of name calling and shaming people of different opinion. If they do that, they don't have to discuss or argue, they can simply call you a nasty name and say "I don't talk to homophobes".

    When it comes to the crunch, it's really just classic retorical tricks.
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    Cool. As a mathcel, I am 100% with you. You need definitions to have meaningful discussion. Let's start by defining God. Next, define gender. Then, we can fuking talk about it.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Cool. As a mathcel, I am 100% with you. You need definitions to have meaningful discussion. Let's start by defining God. Next, define gender. Then, we can fuking talk about it.
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    It honestly feels like it is turning into a police state...srs

    fuk this chit



    He gave him his fuking ID dude. Why should he have to show him anything? There was zero cause for anything. He didn't risk anything either, he got frustrated and continued PICKING UP TRASH LIKE A GOOD CITIZEN when he was treated UNFAIRLY as a SECOND CLASS CITIZEN and told he had to "PROVE HE HAD A RIGHT TO BE THERE" ON A PUBLIC FUKING SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF HIS PLACE OF RESIDENCE. FUK this nazi chit dude.
    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1580528691

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    Thing is that he shouldn't have to show ID in that situation, period. He wasn't doing anything wrong, and the cop abused his authority. Better to take a bullet to the brain fighting for your rights than live a coward. And he didn't escalate anything. He just refused to comply with the nazi's orders.
    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1580531831

    Since you’re all for precise definitions, how’re you defining “nazi” these days?
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Cool. As a mathcel, I am 100% with you. You need definitions to have meaningful discussion. Let's start by defining God. Next, define gender. Then, we can fuking talk about it.
    Sex and gender have been defined terms for hundreds of years. It’s based on biology. It’s only in the last couple decades liberals are trying to change the definition.

    Idgaf If a man wants to dress as a women, act as a women, fk men. Don’t care. You’re not a women though.
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    Originally Posted by TorstenOsten View Post
    When it comes to the crunch, it's really just classic retorical tricks.
    "We need to take back control of definitions and interpretations."

    You didn't propose anything.

    Ignorance is always exposed and conquered with truth and knowledge. Regardless of whatever form it takes.
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    Originally Posted by backinbusiness View Post
    Sex and gender have been defined terms for hundreds of years. It’s based on biology. It’s only in the last couple decades liberals are trying to change the definition.

    Idgaf If a man wants to dress as a women, act as a women, fk men. Don’t care. You’re not a women though.
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    "We need to take back control of definitions and interpretations."

    You didn't propose anything.

    Ignorance is always exposed and conquered with truth and knowledge. Regardless of whatever form it takes.
    OK, so my simple proposal is that we stand up and take the discussion, and don't let liberals and feminists run us over. Most of the media are liberals, and they'll constantly normalize their own definition by spreading them on their platforms. So when speaking about "homophobia" for example, it's important not to accept their twisted definitions of the word, but rather stand up for what it really means - being afraid of homosexuals.

    And I don't think a lot of people do this actually. Most chicken out.
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    Originally Posted by PAU1 View Post
    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1580528691



    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1580531831

    Since you’re all for precise definitions, how’re you defining “nazi” these days?
    It was an overloaded definition. In that post, it was meant in the sense of one who abuses his authority, as the nazi party did.
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    Originally Posted by backinbusiness View Post
    Sex and gender have been defined terms for hundreds of years. It’s based on biology. It’s only in the last couple decades liberals are trying to change the definition.

    Idgaf If a man wants to dress as a women, act as a women, fk men. Don’t care. You’re not a women though.
    No. Then you have no definition for someone who is XXY or has various hormonal disorders...It's not as simple as you think. Chromosomal sex is well defined, and there are more than 2. Gender is a total umbrella term that has never been properly defined by anyone. It has to do with attempting to partition the set of observed human phenotypes. Unfortunately, there are a lot more than 2 phenotypes, and so any such attempt to partition it into just two will lead to edge cases that are difficult to assign.

    And literally anyone who understands basic biology understands this.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    No. Then you have no definition for someone who is XXY or has various hormonal disorders...It's not as simple as you think. Chromosomal sex is well defined, and there are more than 2. Gender is a total umbrella term that has never been properly defined by anyone. It has to do with attempting to partition the set of observed human phenotypes. Unfortunately, there are a lot more than 2 phenotypes, and so any such attempt to partition it into just two will lead to edge cases that are difficult to assign.

    And literally anyone who understands basic biology understands this.
    There are only two genders, but there are a lot of possible mishaps and freaks. In the same way you call a human with two heads still a human, you're still male or female even if you have a hormone disorder. Using the liberal definition, they would call people with two heads, or one arms (or anything of the like) something else than humans. They're just making **** up.
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    Originally Posted by TorstenOsten View Post
    There are only two genders, but there are a lot of possible mishaps and freaks. In the same way you call a human with two heads still a human, you're still male or female even if you have a hormone disorder. Using the liberal definition, they would call people with two heads, or one arms (or anything of the like) something else than humans. They're just making **** up.
    No. It doesn't dichotomize well. There are features like "neither". There are also what you would call biological (XY) males who look physically like females and have vaginas due to developmental issues. It really isn't easy to define these terms. That is why scientists abandoned them long ago. They talk about the karyotype and the phenotype. They also cite the specific condition the person has.

    Btw a lot of research into trans and gender identity disorders is not fully understood. We do know there are actual brain differences. This means it is biological in nature. So, yes, a trans mtf person is actually not a man by your definition. It is something in between because nature fuks up.

    I know it is hard for nonbiologists to understand this, but you should read more about embryonic development and look at what could go wrong before you try to speak authoritatively on this matter. For some reason, it has become a common talking point for right wing types and left wing types the same. I've noticed neither is really thinking about the issues scientifically.

    You are on the right track that definitions matter. Good. Keep learning now and you will understand.
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    Yeah, the word “racist” today is defined as “any person of white skin color.”
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    No. It doesn't dichotomize well. There are features like "neither". There are also what you would call biological (XY) males who look physically like females and have vaginas due to developmental issues. It really isn't easy to define these terms. That is why scientists abandoned them long ago. They talk about the karyotype and the phenotype. They also cite the specific condition the person has.

    Btw a lot of research into trans and gender identity disorders is not fully understood. We do know there are actual brain differences. This means it is biological in nature. So, yes, a trans mtf person is actually not a man by your definition. It is something in between because nature fuks up.

    I know it is hard for nonbiologists to understand this, but you should read more about embryonic development and look at what could go wrong before you try to speak authoritatively on this matter. For some reason, it has become a common talking point for right wing types and left wing types the same. I've noticed neither is really thinking about the issues scientifically.

    You are on the right track that definitions matter. Good. Keep learning now and you will understand.
    A male isn’t a male because “nature fuks up.”

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    A male isn’t a male because “nature fuks up.”

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    “Btw I know biology and you don’t.”







    Lmaooo

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    I'm saying a trans person who is mtf has a different brain than a normal man even if they are both XY. Let that sink in.
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    It was an overloaded definition. In that post, it was meant in the sense of one who abuses his authority, as the nazi party did.
    “Overloaded definition” ... you’re full of **** and guilty of what OP called out. You could have criticized that LEO for authoritarianism but you couldn’t pass up the chance to use your n-word because it forwards your agenda.
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    OK, so my simple proposal is that we stand up and take the discussion, and don't let liberals and feminists run us over. Most of the media are liberals, and they'll constantly normalize their own definition by spreading them on their platforms. So when speaking about "homophobia" for example, it's important not to accept their twisted definitions of the word, but rather stand up for what it really means - being afraid of homosexuals.

    And I don't think a lot of people do this actually. Most chicken out.
    so what exactly is your plan? You going to code up a new twitter, facebook and youtube? Because that seems to be all you guys know how to bitch about.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    I'm saying a trans person who is mtf has a different brain than a normal man even if they are both XY. Let that sink in.
    Same goes for Schizophrenics. So if their brain is telling them they’re actually a mermaid it must mean they are actually a mermaid and we must treat them as such, right?

    No, you dolt. A guy who believes he’s a woman has a mental illness. His brain is lying to him. He’s still a man.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    No. It doesn't dichotomize well. There are features like "neither". There are also what you would call biological (XY) males who look physically like females and have vaginas due to developmental issues. It really isn't easy to define these terms. That is why scientists abandoned them long ago. They talk about the karyotype and the phenotype. They also cite the specific condition the person has.

    Btw a lot of research into trans and gender identity disorders is not fully understood. We do know there are actual brain differences. This means it is biological in nature. So, yes, a trans mtf person is actually not a man by your definition. It is something in between because nature fuks up.

    I know it is hard for nonbiologists to understand this, but you should read more about embryonic development and look at what could go wrong before you try to speak authoritatively on this matter. For some reason, it has become a common talking point for right wing types and left wing types the same. I've noticed neither is really thinking about the issues scientifically.

    You are on the right track that definitions matter. Good. Keep learning now and you will understand.
    Yes, there are only two genders. And additionally, a lot of freaks of nature. This exists among animals as well.

    "Gender identity" has only to do with a person's self experienced gender. With other words, emotions. If I feel like a woman, that doesn't make me a woman.

    I agree with you on one point: nature ****s up. It has done so since life began. However, wierd mutations and variations don't mean there are more than two genders.
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    Originally Posted by Blasting View Post
    Same goes for Schizophrenics. So if their brain is telling them they’re actually a mermaid it must mean they are actually a mermaid and we must treat them as such, right?

    No, you dolt. A guy who believes he’s a woman has a mental illness. His brain is lying to him. He’s still a man.
    You really didn't get his argument, did you?

    Let's say mermaids actually existed and scientists had already examined mermaid brains and found mermaid brains are half-human/half-fish.
    If you now did a brainscan of some guy, whose brain looks half-fish, would you say he has a mermaid-brain?
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    Originally Posted by I3igAl View Post
    You really didn't get his argument, did you?

    Let's say mermaids actually existed and scientists had already examined mermaid brains and found mermaid brains are half-human/half-fish.
    If you now did a brainscan of some guy, whose brain looks half-fish, would you say he has a mermaid-brain?
    Mermaids don't exist so please use a better example than mermaids and fish. Also, everyone has different brains. Are everyone different different human species because of it? Of course not.
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    Back in my day homophobia meant fear of things that are the same or similar, as it should.
    Don't like identical twins? You're homophobic.
    I ain't no consarned religious fool, or such.

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    Originally Posted by I3igAl View Post
    You really didn't get his argument, did you?

    Let's say mermaids actually existed and scientists had already examined mermaid brains and found mermaid brains are half-human/half-fish.
    If you now did a brainscan of some guy, whose brain looks half-fish, would you say he has a mermaid-brain?
    I would say he has a mental illness.

    Just like those with gender dysphoria.
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    I think the big one is Racist. Everything is Racist this Racist that.

    Racist: a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
    People who have a problem with mexicans aren't racist. Mexican isn't a race. Latino is a race. Native American is a Race. Caucasian is a race.

    People who have problems with Muslim's aren't racist because they don't like Muslims. Muslim isn't a race its a religion. There are Arab Muslims. Caucasian Muslims. Latino Muslims.

    People confuse people that are a$$holes with being racist. Sometimes a person isn't racist they are just a a$$hole. Lets call a spade a spade. An a$$hole a a$$hole. A racist a racist. Stop using the wrong word.
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    Originally Posted by dakensta View Post
    Back in my day homophobia meant fear of things that are the same or similar, as it should.
    Don't like identical twins? You're homophobic.
    Homophobia means fear for homosexuals. Not critisism against the gay community, which the liberals and the feminists have expanded the definition to.
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    They're only changing the definitions for their cult followers, sane people understand the real meaning and ignore they're rhetoric.
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    Originally Posted by ImBunky View Post
    They're only changing the definitions for their cult followers, sane people understand the real meaning and ignore they're rhetoric.
    Not quite. While it's true conservatives and nationalists don't give a crap about their rhetorical manipulation tactics, there are tons of people in the middle ground who gets affected by the liberal media when they keep repeating the same things over and over again. That, and young people who grow up in schools which are practically playgrounds for leftish liberals which teachers teaching political propaganda.

    Don't underestimate language. It has a huge impact on how people see the world.
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    Originally Posted by TorstenOsten View Post
    Yes, there are only two genders. And additionally, a lot of freaks of nature. This exists among animals as well.

    "Gender identity" has only to do with a person's self experienced gender. With other words, emotions. If I feel like a woman, that doesn't make me a woman.

    I agree with you on one point: nature ****s up. It has done so since life began. However, wierd mutations and variations don't mean there are more than two genders.
    Females have female organs. Males have male organs.

    Rest is irrelevant. Even if the “brain is male/female” doesn’t change anything. That’s a type of personality, same as an aggressive personality, an outgoing personality. Doesn’t make outgoing a gender
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