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    Originally Posted by StoliFun View Post
    People nonetheless work here while being undocumented. Who do you think picks your fruit, cleans your hotel rooms, cooks your food, etc. These people work and pay taxes and often carry insurance already.
    They're not paying taxes, they're being paid under the table.

    Even worse, if they are on the payroll and paying withholding tax, they are claiming maximum deductions, are using a stolen SSN, and some poor citizen is getting excess income declared on his account that he doesn't know about and is in for a big surprise when he files his taxes.
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    Originally Posted by MiscInformed View Post
    They're not paying taxes, they're being paid under the table.

    Even worse, if they are on the payroll and paying withholding tax, they are claiming maximum deductions, are using a stolen SSN, and some poor citizen is getting excess income declared on his account that he doesn't know about and is in for a big surprise when he files his taxes.
    That's why I would really like to figure out a way to get rid of income tax and just raise sales tax appropriately. Everyone has to buy stuff, so you won't be able to avoid it.
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    You want my take on the OP? I have no idea what the answer is. I’m not paid to come up with it. All I can do is vote for the people who I feel are the best fit to put forth my vision for America
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    Originally Posted by DrWilliam View Post
    That's why I would really like to figure out a way to get rid of income tax and just raise sales tax appropriately. Everyone has to buy stuff, so you won't be able to avoid it.
    Interesting idea tbh..I am guessing the state doesn't want it to be entirely sales tax because sales taxes can potentially be evaded and are more difficult to enforce.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Interesting idea tbh..I am guessing the state doesn't want it to be entirely sales tax because sales taxes can potentially be evaded and are more difficult to enforce.
    Sales tax can be evaded?
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    If you cannot afford your own health insurance, they will fine you on your taxes. They will then, not buy you insurance with that money, but will buy it for someone else who should not be here in the first place.
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    Originally Posted by DrWilliam View Post
    Sales tax can be evaded?
    yeah private sales

    also any kind of renting or leasing would not count as a sale...
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    yeah private sales

    also any kind of renting or leasing would not count as a sale...
    Obviously the system would have to be overhauled. There would be a service tax similar to a sales taxed attached to your rent/lease. Percentages and everything would obviously have to be adjusted to where we are bringing in the same amount of dollars. But you aren't going to avoid renting an apartment, buying food, buying clothes, buying gas, etc. so you're catching everybody with that.

    Not sure what you mean by private sales. They'll avoid going to the grocery store to buy groceries by going to some secret underground grocery store? The private entity furnishing those shops would still have to pay the sales tax on the initial purchase.
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    Originally Posted by DrWilliam View Post
    Obviously the system would have to be overhauled. There would be a service tax similar to a sales taxed attached to your rent/lease. Percentages and everything would obviously have to be adjusted to where we are bringing in the same amount of dollars. But you aren't going to avoid renting an apartment, buying food, buying clothes, buying gas, etc. so you're catching everybody with that.

    Not sure what you mean by private sales. They'll avoid going to the grocery store to buy groceries by going to some secret underground grocery store? The private entity furnishing those shops would still have to pay the sales tax on the initial purchase.
    Yeah lol. I am srs about the underground store. It would be in their interests to make one since they'd offer it for cheap and consumers would have incentive to collude with the shopkeeper. Maybe in today's world we could go full electronic money, and then the govt would track all transactions. Ofc, such a society would no longer be free...

    There would be a huge underground sales industry. I know here in OR we have no sales tax and a lot of people buy chit here and resell it in their home state illegally.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Yeah lol. I am srs about the underground store. It would be in their interests to make one since they'd offer it for cheap and consumers would have incentive to collude with the shopkeeper. Maybe in today's world we could go full electronic money, and then the govt would track all transactions. Ofc, such a society would no longer be free...

    There would be a huge underground sales industry. I know here in OR we have no sales tax and a lot of people buy chit here and resell it in their home state illegally.
    I'm still not following how this would be a big thing. The person who buys the goods to have goods for his secret underground store still got taxed. He would then have to upcharge even more for it to be worth it for the illegal to buy it from him.

    Again, I don't know 100% how it would be figured out, I'd leave that to the experts. But I do think it has merit and would be a lot harder to cheat than income tax.
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    Originally Posted by DrWilliam View Post
    I'm still not following how this would be a big thing. The person who buys the goods to have goods for his secret underground store still got taxed. He would then have to upcharge even more for it to be worth it for the illegal to buy it from him.

    Again, I don't know 100% how it would be figured out, I'd leave that to the experts. But I do think it has merit and would be a lot harder to cheat than income tax.
    It's not a big thing. In Tennessee, there is no state income tax. The state government is funded by sales tax and other taxes, along with governmental fees such as license plate renewal fees. It works.
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    Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'
    Is this the smoking gun will out wincel as a Soros-paid troll?

    Could be...
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    I'm still not following how this would be a big thing. The person who buys the goods to have goods for his secret underground store still got taxed. He would then have to upcharge even more for it to be worth it for the illegal to buy it from him.

    Again, I don't know 100% how it would be figured out, I'd leave that to the experts. But I do think it has merit and would be a lot harder to cheat than income tax.
    Naw there would be entire supply chains evading taxes...

    Both have ways to cheat. But I think sales is easier to cheat than income.
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    Is this the smoking gun will out wincel as a Soros-paid troll?

    Could be...
    Paid trolls exist on both sides. But why would liberal interests spend the money on a forum that is 90% conservative and set in their ways? You guys are able to discuss your points regardless of any topic dilution simply by the overwhelming majority you have.

    This section is far more likely to see conservative shills who will manipulate or reinforce already existing beliefs.
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    Is this the smoking gun will out wincel as a Soros-paid troll?

    Could be...
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    U think Soros supports Gabbard lmao.
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    Naw there would be entire supply chains evading taxes...

    Both have ways to cheat. But I think sales is easier to cheat than income.
    I think there would be a way to limit the evasion. Again, the system would have to be redone from the top down. But there has to be a way to make sure you are accounting for everyone.
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    I think there would be a way to limit the evasion. Again, the system would have to be redone from the top down. But there has to be a way to make sure you are accounting for everyone.
    If we switched to crypto or something they could totally do it, but we'd all lose freedom.
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    They're not paying taxes, they're being paid under the table.

    Even worse, if they are on the payroll and paying withholding tax, they are claiming maximum deductions, are using a stolen SSN, and some poor citizen is getting excess income declared on his account that he doesn't know about and is in for a big surprise when he files his taxes.
    Typically they give the employer a made up SSN and then get an Individual Tax Identification Number from the IRS and pay taxes that way. They usually do this with an eye towards gaining citizenship in the future.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    If we switched to crypto or something they could totally do it, but we'd all lose freedom.
    Yeah no more paying for kiddy porn or drugs without the government knowing, this is true
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    Originally Posted by MiscInformed View Post
    Is this the smoking gun will out wincel as a Soros-paid troll?

    Could be...
    Commander Warlock, Hoodie Boy, and where's Wonder Sillie been?

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    Originally Posted by BS57 View Post
    Commander Warlock, Hoodie Boy, and where's Wonder Sillie been?

    All shills, all the time.
    Okay Nancy drew
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    Okay Nancy drew
    Please leave me out of your sick sexual fantasies Ma'am.
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    Originally Posted by iabs View Post
    please please entertain us on what that "vision for America" looks like in your mind.
    bump.

    We're still waiting, Nancy.
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