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    Originally Posted by Paddington View Post
    I see, so you believe 1 Cor 8:6, but you don't believe 1 Corinthians chapter 1 of the same book? I think it's safe to say now that you are picking and choosing which parts of the Bible you like and believing them, and then ignoring the ones that are inconvenient for you because you don't understand them in faith. Wouldn't this be an accurate assessment?
    No verse says Jesus is the creator God. Rather, God (the Father) created everything through Jesus (the Word of God).

    Just like God performed miracles through Jesus... he also created the world through Him.

    That's what 1 Cor 8:6 actually says....

    Hebrews 11:3
    the worlds were framed by the word of God

    John 1:10
    He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.

    Ps. 33:6
    By the Word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host.

    Ps 104:30
    You send forth Your Spirit, they are created;

    Jn 1:14
    The Word became a human being and lived here with us.

    Jn 14:17
    He is the Holy Spirit, he lives with you now and later will be in you.

    John 14:17
    The Spirit of truth. The world neither sees him nor knows him.

    Jesus is the Word/the Spirit of God .... NOT God (the Father), the creator...

    You are right about Jesus being in Genesis 1 but it's not as "God" but the Spirit of God that flutters over the waters.
    John 15:4
    "Live in me. Make your home in me just as I do in you."
    ​John 14:20
    "In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.​​​​​​"
    John 14:6
    Jesus answered, "No one comes to the Father if not by me."
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    Originally Posted by LuckyAH View Post
    It's like watching two retards argue.
    Come up with something more original...
    John 15:4
    "Live in me. Make your home in me just as I do in you."
    ​John 14:20
    "In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.​​​​​​"
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    Jesus answered, "No one comes to the Father if not by me."
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    No verse says Jesus is the creator God. Rather, God (the Father) created everything through Jesus (the Word of God).

    Just like God performed miracles through Jesus... he also created the world through Him.

    That's what 1 Cor 8:6 actually says....

    Hebrews 11:3
    the worlds were framed by the word of God

    John 1:10
    He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.

    Ps. 33:6
    By the Word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host.

    Ps 104:30
    You send forth Your Spirit, they are created;

    Jn 1:14
    The Word became a human being and lived here with us.

    Jn 14:17
    He is the Holy Spirit, he lives with you now and later will be in you.

    John 14:17
    The Spirit of truth. The world neither sees him nor knows him.

    Jesus is the Word/the Spirit of God .... NOT God (the Father), the creator...

    You are right about Jesus being in Genesis 1 but it's not as "God" but the Spirit of God that flutters over the waters.
    You just lied. It says it right HERE:

    This is Jesus right? Jesus is the IMAGE of the invisible God:

    14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

    ...And Right HERE it says that by Jesus Christ were all things created.

    16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
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    Originally Posted by LuckyAH View Post
    It's like watching two retards argue.
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    Originally Posted by Paddington View Post
    Jesus is the IMAGE of the invisible God:
    Image of God.. not God Himself, that would be the Father.

    Originally Posted by Paddington View Post
    16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,
    We already established that the Father is the source of creation, (1 Cor 8:6a) not the Son. The Father created everything through the Son. The Son can do nothing of his own power, or authority. Jesus 101...
    John 15:4
    "Live in me. Make your home in me just as I do in you."
    ​John 14:20
    "In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.​​​​​​"
    John 14:6
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    Image of God.. not God Himself, that would be the Father.



    We already established that the Father is the source of creation, (1 Cor 8:6a) not the Son. The Father created everything through the Son. The Son can do nothing of his own power, or authority. Jesus 101...
    It's another way of saying "God created everything through himself." If you read Genesis 1, you'll see God creating everything through his Word (pre-incarnation Jesus). "Let there be light" is an example of God's Word.
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    Originally Posted by thunderykoala View Post
    It's another way of saying "God created everything through himself."
    God [the Father] did not create everything "through himself".

    God [the Father] created everything through Jesus (1 Cor 8:6), the Spirit/Word of God.

    You yourself said that Jesus ain't the Father.

    Jesus said "I didn't come on My own, but He sent Me." John 8:42
    John 15:4
    "Live in me. Make your home in me just as I do in you."
    ​John 14:20
    "In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.​​​​​​"
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    Originally Posted by thunderykoala View Post
    "Let there be light" is an example of God's Word.
    "The Spirit of God hovering over the waters" is actually an example of God's Word. Remember Jesus walking on the sea, when his disciples thought he was a Spirit?
    John 15:4
    "Live in me. Make your home in me just as I do in you."
    ​John 14:20
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    Come up with something more original...
    Original or not, he’s right though.
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    Image of God.. not God Himself, that would be the Father.



    We already established that the Father is the source of creation, (1 Cor 8:6a) not the Son. The Father created everything through the Son. The Son can do nothing of his own power, or authority. Jesus 101...
    It says that He is the image of the invisible God, so He is God and it says that He created all things. So, now we have established that Jesus Christ is God and Created all things. So, then why does the Bible call Jesus Christ "The Everlasting Father"?
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    Originally Posted by Paddington View Post
    It says that He is the image of the invisible God, so He is God
    No.. so he is NOT God.

    You are the image of your father. Does that make YOU your father?

    It makes you your father's son. Someone other than your dad.

    Originally Posted by Paddington View Post
    and it says that He created all things.
    God (the Father) created all things, BY Jesus. 1 Cor 8:6

    That does not mean that Jesus is the creator God.

    The Father is..

    Originally Posted by Paddington View Post
    So, now we have established that Jesus Christ is God and Created all things.
    No, we haven't.

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    So, then why does the Bible call Jesus Christ "The Everlasting Father"?
    It doesn't really. Jesus' name is not "the everlasting father".. No trinitarian actually believes that...
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    No.. so he is NOT God.

    You are the image of your father. Does that make YOU your father?

    It makes you your father's son. Someone other than your dad.



    God (the Father) created all things, BY Jesus. 1 Cor 8:6

    That does not mean that Jesus is the creator God.

    The Father is..



    No, we haven't.



    It doesn't really. Jesus' name is not "the everlasting father".. No trinitarian actually believes that...

    Oh it doesn't. On the Contrary, you are WRONG as usual. EXPLAIN THIS AWAY IF YOU CAN:

    The Bible Calls Jesus Christ "The Everlasting Father" AND "The Mighty God" Because Jesus Christ IS God:

    Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
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    Tired of repeating myself.



    You are a heretic even by trinitarian standards, which are low.

    Trins don't believe that Jesus is "the everlasting Father".
    John 15:4
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    Tired of repeating myself.



    You are a heretic even by trinitarian standards, which are low.

    Trins don't believe that Jesus is "the everlasting Father".
    I don't care what other people say, I care what the Bible says. The only heretic around here is you. You don't even know the first thing about doctrine because you are in false doctrine. You can't explain ot because you are wrong. Jesus Christ is God and this verse tells you that He is the Mighty God and The Everlasting Father. They are the one and the same, just manifest in different persons.

    More proof:

    8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

    9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

    10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

    11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
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    I don't care what other people say, I care what the Bible says. The only heretic around here is you. You don't even know the first thing about doctrine because you are in false doctrine. You can't explain ot because you are wrong. Jesus Christ is God and this verse tells you that He is the Mighty God and The Everlasting Father. They are the one and the same, just manifest in different persons.

    More proof:

    8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

    9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

    10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

    11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
    No, Jesus is not "the everlasting father"... The Father is IN Jesus... big difference
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    "Christ" means annointed, and there are many annointed.

    That said, Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies that the messiah was supposed to fulfill. That's why Jews don't follow him. Because he didn't accomplish any of the stuff the messiah was supposed to. Jews and the world are still waiting for the messianic era.

    Also, "Old Testament" never says we're supposed to worship the messiah, only that they are a messenger of G-d, and that it's really G-d accomplishing all of that stuff once the world is ready for it.
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    Originally Posted by stealth_swimmer View Post
    "Christ" means annointed, and there are many annointed.
    So you're still waiting for the Christ. Like everyone else, even OP.
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    No, Jesus is not "the everlasting father"... The Father is IN Jesus... big difference
    That's not what Jesus said:

    8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

    9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
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    Originally Posted by Paddington View Post
    That's not what Jesus said:

    8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

    9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
    The Father is IN Him and Jesus is His image.. He never said "I am the Father".

    Your beliefs are laughable:

    John 17:7-8 ...'Now they have known that all things whatsoever you have given me are of you. For I have given unto them the words which you gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from you, and they have believed that you did send me.'
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    ​John 14:20
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    The Father is IN Him and Jesus is His image.. He never said "I am the Father".

    Your beliefs are laughable:

    John 17:7-8 ...'Now they have known that all things whatsoever you have given me are of you. For I have given unto them the words which you gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from you, and they have believed that you did send me.'
    Jesus is His image because Jesus IS HIm. Why would Jesus say that to Philip when Philip asked to see the Father? Jesus is declaring that He is the Father. Also, In Genesis, Why did God say "Let Us Make Man In OUR Image" ? Who was God talking to?
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    MYSTERY SEA CREATURE WASHES UP ON GEORGIA BEACH

    https://www.newsweek.com/mystery-sea...a-beach-850622
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    Originally Posted by Paddington View Post
    MYSTERY SEA CREATURE WASHES UP ON GEORGIA BEACH

    https://www.newsweek.com/mystery-sea...a-beach-850622
    This goes to show that the evolutionists lie.
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    Jesus is His image because Jesus IS HIm.
    That doesn't make sense. An image is a copy, reproduction.
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    Originally Posted by Paddington View Post
    Also, In Genesis, Why did God say "Let Us Make Man In OUR Image" ? Who was God talking to?
    God was talking to angels.

    Let me guess, you think that's one member of the triune Godhead talking to his two co-Gods? Aka Polytheism?
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    God was talking to angels.

    Let me guess, you think that's one member of the triune Godhead talking to his two co-Gods? Aka Polytheism?

    Let me guess, you THINK that God made man in the image of the angels? Prove it. The Bible says that man was made in the image of God. Nothing about angels. That is a LIE. God was talking to the other members of the Trinity.

    Check mate again:

    Genesis 1:27
    So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
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