No verse says Jesus is the creator God. Rather, God (the Father) created everything through Jesus (the Word of God).
Just like God performed miracles through Jesus... he also created the world through Him.
That's what 1 Cor 8:6 actually says....
Hebrews 11:3
the worlds were framed by the word of God
John 1:10
He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.
Ps. 33:6
By the Word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host.
Ps 104:30
You send forth Your Spirit, they are created;
Jn 1:14
The Word became a human being and lived here with us.
Jn 14:17
He is the Holy Spirit, he lives with you now and later will be in you.
John 14:17
The Spirit of truth. The world neither sees him nor knows him.
Jesus is the Word/the Spirit of God .... NOT God (the Father), the creator...
You are right about Jesus being in Genesis 1 but it's not as "God" but the Spirit of God that flutters over the waters.
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07-15-2019, 08:16 PM #61
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07-16-2019, 07:04 PM #64
You just lied. It says it right HERE:
This is Jesus right? Jesus is the IMAGE of the invisible God:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
...And Right HERE it says that by Jesus Christ were all things created.
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
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07-18-2019, 07:23 PM #74
No.. so he is NOT God.
You are the image of your father. Does that make YOU your father?
It makes you your father's son. Someone other than your dad.
God (the Father) created all things, BY Jesus. 1 Cor 8:6
That does not mean that Jesus is the creator God.
The Father is..
No, we haven't.
It doesn't really. Jesus' name is not "the everlasting father".. No trinitarian actually believes that...Last edited by BrosefMengele; 07-18-2019 at 08:05 PM.
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07-19-2019, 10:58 AM #75
Oh it doesn't. On the Contrary, you are WRONG as usual. EXPLAIN THIS AWAY IF YOU CAN:
The Bible Calls Jesus Christ "The Everlasting Father" AND "The Mighty God" Because Jesus Christ IS God:
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.Last edited by Paddington; 07-19-2019 at 11:15 AM.
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07-20-2019, 06:50 PM #78
I don't care what other people say, I care what the Bible says. The only heretic around here is you. You don't even know the first thing about doctrine because you are in false doctrine. You can't explain ot because you are wrong. Jesus Christ is God and this verse tells you that He is the Mighty God and The Everlasting Father. They are the one and the same, just manifest in different persons.
More proof:
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
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"Christ" means annointed, and there are many annointed.
That said, Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies that the messiah was supposed to fulfill. That's why Jews don't follow him. Because he didn't accomplish any of the stuff the messiah was supposed to. Jews and the world are still waiting for the messianic era.
Also, "Old Testament" never says we're supposed to worship the messiah, only that they are a messenger of G-d, and that it's really G-d accomplishing all of that stuff once the world is ready for it.
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07-21-2019, 02:13 PM #83
The Father is IN Him and Jesus is His image.. He never said "I am the Father".
Your beliefs are laughable:
John 17:7-8 ...'Now they have known that all things whatsoever you have given me are of you. For I have given unto them the words which you gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from you, and they have believed that you did send me.'Last edited by BrosefMengele; 07-21-2019 at 05:36 PM.
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07-22-2019, 03:35 PM #84
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07-23-2019, 05:47 PM #85
MYSTERY SEA CREATURE WASHES UP ON GEORGIA BEACH
https://www.newsweek.com/mystery-sea...a-beach-850622
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07-26-2019, 03:11 PM #90
Let me guess, you THINK that God made man in the image of the angels? Prove it. The Bible says that man was made in the image of God. Nothing about angels. That is a LIE. God was talking to the other members of the Trinity.
Check mate again:
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
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