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    I have already shown you in different places. Stop lying.
    Literally nothing you say is true.

    And you're accusing me of what you are guilty of.
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    Literally nothing you say is true.

    And you're accusing me of what you are guilty of.
    When are you and Paddington going to settle your differences in the ring?
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    When are you and Paddington going to settle your differences in the ring?
    We'll get the chance one day.
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    JESUS CHRIST IS GOD
     
    There are some religions out there that believe and teach that Jesus Christ is not God. Some teach that He is a god, but not thee God. I am going to demonstrate through the word of God that He is God and created all things.

    Jesus’s name “Immanuel” LITERALLY means “God with us”

    Mt 1:23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."

    Isa 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.

    He always existed (from everlasting):
     
    Mic 5:2 (NKJV) "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, [Though] you are little among the thousands of Judah, [Yet] out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth [are] from of old, From everlasting."
     
    This prophecy is of Christ's first comming. His Goings forth have been from everlasting because Christ Jesus is God.

    Jesus Christ is one with the Father. He is God.
     
    Joh 14:8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

    God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one God:
     
    1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

    Jesus declares Himself to be the great I AM of the Old Testiment. I AM is God's Name
     
    Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."
     
    I am IS God. There is only one God. That God has three parts.
     
    Ex 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
     
    His Disciple/Apostle Peter Admits that Jesus knows “All things” (Only God knows all things)
     
    Joh 21:17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Feed My sheep.

    The Bible calls Jesus Christ The Great God and our Savior:

    Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

    Jesus Knows Our Thoughts

    Mt 9:4 But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, "Why do you think evil in your hearts?

    Lu 11:17 But He, knowing their thoughts, said to them: "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and a house divided against a house falls.

    In Him Dwells all of the fullness of the Godhead Bodily:

    Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. {rudiments: or, elements} {make a prey: or, seduce you, or, lead you astray} For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    Col 1:12 ¶ Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
    13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: {his...: Gr. the Son of his love}
    14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

    He is the image of the invisible God. All things were created by Him:

    15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
    16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
    17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
    18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. {in...: or, among all} 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;


     God's plurality is found in Genesis
     
    Ge 1:26 ¶ Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
     
    His Disciple/Apostle Thomas Confessed Him to be God and Jesus did NOT rebuke Him for it:
     
    Joh 20:27 Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing."And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
     
    This verse demonstrates how God has multiple aspects. He said Let “US” make man in “OUR” image. He didn’t say, let me make man in My image, He said let US make man is OUR image.
     
    His Apostle/Disciple John declares Christ Jesus to be God:
     
    Joh 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
     
    His Apostle/Disciple John declares that the world was made by Him (Jesus Christ)
     
    Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
     
    All things were made by Him and He was in the beginning with God (Father)
     
    Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
     
    There are MANY places where He is worshipped and Jesus NEVER tells them not to worship Him, NOT once. Only God is to be worshipped, because Jesus IS God, Jesus IS worshipped:
     
    Mt 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. {presented: or, offered}
    Mt 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
    Mt 9:18 ¶ While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.
    Mt 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
    Mt 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
    Mt 18:26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. {worshipped him: or, besought him}
     Mt 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
    Mt 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
    Mr 5:6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
    Mr 15:19 And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him.
    Lu 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
    Joh 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
    Ac 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
    Re 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

    Scripture refers to Him as the Lord, Jesus Christ. The phrase "The Lord" is unique only to God:

    Here are a few mentioning "The Lord Your God"

    De 5:6 ¶ I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. {bondage: Heb. servants}

    De 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

    De 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

    De 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.


    Here are many calling Him Jesus Christ, The Lord.

    Ac 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

    Ac 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

    Ac 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

    Ac 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

    Ro 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Ro 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

    Ro 15:30 ¶ Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

    1Co 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

    1Co 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

    2Co 1:2 Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

    2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. <<The second [epistle to the Corinthians was written from Philippi, a city of Macedonia, by Titus and Lucas.]>>

    Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Eph 6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: {conversation...: or, we live or conduct ourselves as citizens of heaven, or, for obtaining heaven}

    Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    1Th 1:1 ¶ Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    The Trinity (Three in one)

    Mt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    Father, Son and Spirit Present at Christ’s Baptism:

    Mt 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

    Conclusion: Jesus Christ is God. Not a God but the God of the bible. God has three personalities. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. All are equal, yet the Son is submissive to the Father and the Holy Spirit is submissive to the Son. Jesus Christ was an EXAMPLE for us. He died on the cross for our sins so that we could go to heaven and be forgiven of our sins. He shed His blood for us.
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    Literally nothing you say is true.

    And you're accusing me of what you are guilty of.
    Uh, no that would be you. Your beliefs are heretical. I'm going by what the Bible actually says, you are going by your own logic as you disregard what the Bible says.
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    When are you and Paddington going to settle your differences in the ring?
    He can't believe God's word because it doesn't make sense to his flesh, so he adds his own spin to it, making it a lie.
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    We'll get the chance one day.
    I'll be on the Lord's side.
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    I'm going by what the Bible actually says, you are going by your own logic as you disregard what the Bible says.
    You say Jesus has "three personalities", which ain't Biblical, and ain't even THE TRINITY; but your OWN VERSION of the trinity.
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    He can't believe God's word because it doesn't make sense to his flesh, so he adds his own spin to it, making it a lie.
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    JESUS CHRIST IS GOD
    But He's not the Father.
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    I'll be on the Lord's side.
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    You say Jesus has "three personalities", which ain't Biblical, and ain't even THE TRINITY; but your OWN VERSION of the trinity.
    I didn't say Jesus had 3 personalities. I said God has 3 personalities. Father, Son & Spirit. The Bible is clear that Father, Son & Spirit are all God and that there is one God. If you can't see that then you need to ask God to help you.
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    But He's not the Father.
    Yes He is...

    What does this verse mean to you?

    Joh 14:8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us."
    9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
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    Originally Posted by Paddington View Post
    I didn't say Jesus had 3 personalities. I said God has 3 personalities.
    You make no sense. You say Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit BUT Jesus isn't the one God who has "three personalities"?

    Ummmm...
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    Yes He is...
    No He's not.. you are the only "trinitarian" who believes that.

    Thunderykoala is a trin and he *does not* believe Jesus is the Father and he also *does not* believe God has "three personalities"; you're on YOUR OWN there, no trin on earth believes such things.
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    Just curious guys, do you think there should be a legal penalty for preaching heresy, and if so, what should it be?
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    You make no sense. You say Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit BUT Jesus isn't the one God who has "three personalities"?

    Ummmm...
    All are equal Father, Son and Spirit. These three are one. You don't like what the Bible says. Why can't you explain any of my questions? Why are you avoiding them? Explain John 14:8,9 . It clearly shows that Jesus Christ is the Father. You said He wasn't.
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    Just curious guys, do you think there should be a legal penalty for preaching heresy, and if so, what should it be?
    No, this isn't the inquisition, but I would be curious is Bros feels that way with his twisted beliefs.
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    Explain John 14:8,9 . It clearly shows that Jesus Christ is the Father. You said He wasn't.
    First of all, you are now saying that Jesus is not the one God who has "three personalities", so how can Jesus be the Father then?

    If Jesus is the Father, then "the Father" is just a "personality" of Jesus, right?
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    All are equal Father, Son and Spirit. These three are one.
    You say "all are equal" all what? Personalities?

    No verse anywhere says God is three anything. We've been over this.
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    First of all, you are now saying that Jesus is not the one God who has "three personalities", so how can Jesus be the Father then?

    If Jesus is the Father, then "the Father" is just a "personality" of Jesus, right?
    Jesus is the Physical manifestation of the Godhead. (3 in 1) In Christ dwells ALL of the FULNESS of the Godhead Bodily. Take it up with the Bible if you don't like it.

    Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. {rudiments: or, elements} {make a prey: or, seduce you, or, lead you astray}
    9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    You say "all are equal" all what? Personalities?

    No verse anywhere says God is three anything. We've been over this.
    It's all over the Bible and the more verses I show you, the more you don't get it. Look at the verse above. What is the Godhead??? The Trinity. Who is the Lord thy God? Who spoke to Moses on Mt. Sinai?
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    (3 in 1)
    No Scripture says God is 3 in 1.
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    In Christ dwells ALL of the FULNESS of the Godhead Bodily. Take it up with the Bible if you don't like it.
    That doesn't say "Jesus is the Father".

    Sounds to me like the Father lives in Jesus (wait.. that's what Jesus said.. oh right.).
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    It's all over the Bible and the more verses I show you, the more you don't get it. Look at the verse above.
    Funny, YOU say "it's all over the Bible", I SAY, "no Scripture supports what you are saying".
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    Originally Posted by Paddington View Post
    What is the Godhead??? The Trinity.
    You don't even believe in the trinity.

    No trinitarian believes that Jesus is the Father, or that God is 3 personalities.
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    No Scripture says God is 3 in 1.
    It doesn't have to say those exact words, it's implied all over the Bible. Why don't you believe it when it's shown to you?
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    That doesn't say "Jesus is the Father".

    Sounds to me like the Father lives in Jesus (wait.. that's what Jesus said.. oh right.).
    All the FULLNESS of the GODHEAD dwells in Christ bodily.

    Jesus is the physical manifestation of God. He is God in the flesh, but there are two other aspects of God. Father & Spirit.
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    Originally Posted by Paddington View Post
    It doesn't have to say those exact words, it's implied all over the Bible. Why don't you believe it when it's shown to you?
    You're just making stuff up and saying the Bible implies it with no proof.
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