How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[numberguy12]

You are the one who is uneducated. You obvioiusly never looked that the other side of the issue because you believe everything you hear from these evolutionists without questioning any of it. It's pretty sad really. I learned all of the evolution stuff in School and I know that they are dead wrong.

I never said the earth didn't revolve around the sun. That's your straw man argument because you can't win on the facts.

There you go again, with that umbrella-term "evolutionists", lol. Like a true bible-belt fundamentalist.

Yeah, sorry, some random dude Paddington thinking the information he was taught in school wasnt correct....does not falsify an entire branch of science.

I never said you did have a certain stance regarding heliocentrism, I was merely asking what your stance was. I'm glad you at least accept the scientific fact that the earth does indeed revolve around the sun (despite various passages in the bible saying otherwise, talking about an immobile earth- the ancient Hebrews were flat earth geocentrists). Again, you are objectively wrong about the age of the earth, by several orders of magnitude.

[Mr Beer]

You obvioiusly never looked that the other side of the issue because you believe everything you hear from these evolutionists without questioning any of it.

Disingenuous accusation, since 'the other side of the issue' is supposition built upon misrepresentation seasoned with lies. YECs are unable to bring anything of substance to the table when challenged.

[RedPolo]

What ever happened to BrosefMengele of Rome?

[numberguy12]

What ever happened to BrosefMengele of Rome?

Good question, forgot about that dude. Maybe it's the lack of trinitarian debates as of late.

[numberguy12]

Disingenuous accusation, since 'the other side of the issue' is supposition built upon misrepresentation seasoned with lies. YECs are unable to bring anything of substance to the table when challenged.

Very true. What exactly is the positive scientific evidence they produce for a 6,000 year old earth? Actually curious to know this.

And by positive, I dont mean a mere refutation of a billions-year old earth (as in, radiometric dating is not sound), but actual positive evidence showing the earth is 6,000 years old? Also by scientific evidence, I mean evidence from nature around us, not a religious text, since the latter is not science. As far as I'm aware, the 6,000 year old earth comes from Bishop Ussher's interpretation of the begats in the bible. What are the naturalistic arguments creationists make for a young earth specifically 6,000 years old?

[Mr Beer]

Very true. What exactly is the positive scientific evidence they produce for a 6,000 year old earth? Actually curious to know this.

I have literally never seen a single piece of positive evidence, such arguments are always an attack on GYA-age Earth in one way or another.

So for example, a creationist argument might be the existence of the molten core in the Earth, and they will say something like 'scientists admit that this should have solidified in a million years at most'. Such an argument does not support a 6K age Earth, it's merely an attack on a GYA-age Earth.

[numberguy12]

I have literally never seen a single piece of positive evidence, such arguments are always an attack on GYA-age Earth in one way or another.

So for example, a creationist argument might be the existence of the molten core in the Earth, and they will say something like 'scientists admit that this should have solidified in a million years at most'. Such an argument does not support a 6K age Earth, it's merely an attack on a GYA-age Earth.

Ah, that's what I suspected. Makes sense.

So YEC's have no way of arguing that earth is 6,000 years old, versus say, 25,000 years old from nature itself. There is no science that positively supports a 6k year old earth. I wonder how Paddington can possibly say science "supports" his position then. There are no testing procedures (say, an equivalent of radiometric dating) that pop out a 6,000 year number.

[Paddington]

The Holy Spirit IS God:


2Co 3:17 And the Lord is that Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

The Holy Spirit is one with the Father and the Son:

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

A Clear distinction is made between Christ and the Spirit. It says that believers are wash and sanctified by the Spirit:

1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

The Holy Spirit raised Christ from the dead:

1Pe 3:18 ¶ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

God raised Christ from the dead:

Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(KJV)

Therefore, the Spirit is God.

He abides in believers by the Holy Spirit, signifying that the Spirit is God:

1Jo 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

God the Father, Son and Spirit present in the Creation of Man:

Ge 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Let US go down and make man in OUR image. Think about it. Who is God talking to? The Trinity.

God made man in His own image:

Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

[Paddington]

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[LatinoWarrior2]

I follow the King James Version of the Bible and despise Catholics.

[numberguy12]

I follow the King James Version of the Bible and despise Catholics.

Spoken like a true Christian eh. Wonder where in the Bible Jesus proclaims that you should despise others.

[Paddington]

I follow the King James Version of the Bible and despise Catholics.

There is no reason to despise Catholics. You can disagree or even despise their Doctrine, without despising the people.

[Paddington]

Spoken like a true Christian eh. Wonder where in the Bible Jesus proclaims that you should despise others.

So, are you saying that you believe the Bible now?

[Paddington]

There is no evidence for God's existence.

There is overwhelming evidence of God's existence. Look at the Laws of Thermodynamics and Conservation of Energy.

Matter and Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, therefore, it is impossible scientifically for it to exist, yet it exists.

The Bible says that In The Beginning God created the Heaven & The Earth....

God created Time, Space & Matter...

[numberguy12]

So, are you saying that you believe the Bible now?

This has nothing to do with my belief. I'm merely wondering why he does not seem to be following the teachings of Jesus as stated in the Bible, if he is Christian.

Say Brian across the street invents a religion called NoPlant, that teaches you should never eat food coming from plants.....straight from the golden holy book written by Brian. Also, Tom identifies as a member of this NoPlant religion.

If I observe Tom chowing down on some salad for lunch, I would then question why he is doing such, even though I in no way identify with the NoPlant religion.

There is overwhelming evidence of God's existence. Look at the Laws of Thermodynamics and Conservation of Energy.

Matter and Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, therefore, it is impossible scientifically for it to exist, yet it exists.

The Bible says that In The Beginning God created the Heaven & The Earth....

God created Time, Space & Matter...

Whatever you are saying here, does not make any sense. You may as well just wonder why God himself violates this same law.

[BrosefMengele]

I follow the King James Version of the Bible and despise Catholics.

What OP is preaching IS Roman Catholicism.

[RedPolo]

What ever happened to BrosefMengele of Rome?

I call upon him and he appears.

[BrosefMengele]

2Co 3:17 And the Lord is that Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Paul actually teaches that Jesus is the Spirit in 2 Cor 3:17, not a "third person" as per "the trinity" doctrine.

2 Cor 3:14-18
14 Their minds were closed and hardened, for even to this day that same veil comes over their minds when they hear the words of the former covenant. The veil has not yet been lifted from them, for it is only eliminated when one is joined to the Messiah. 15 So until now, whenever the Old Testament is being read, the same blinding comes over their hearts. 16 But the moment one turns to the Lord with an open heart, the veil is lifted and they see. 17 Now, the “Lord” I’m referring to is the Holy Spirit, and wherever he is Lord, there is freedom.
18 We can all draw close to him with the veil removed from our faces. And with no veil we all become like mirrors who brightly reflect the glory of the Lord Jesus. We are being transfigured into his very image as we move from one brighter level of glory to another. And this glorious transfiguration comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

2 Cor 4:5
5 We don’t preach ourselves, but rather the lordship of Jesus Christ, for we are your servants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For God, who said,

Notice Paul explicitly identifies Jesus as the Lord who is the Spirit, and not a "third person" who ain't Jesus.

What Paddington is preaching is the spirit of the antichrist.

[Paddington]

What OP is preaching IS Roman Catholicism.

No it's not. What you believe is Jehovah's Witness non Biblical heresy.

[Paddington]

Paul actually teaches that Jesus is the Spirit in 2 Cor 3:17, not a "third person" as per "the trinity" doctrine.

2 Cor 3:14-18
14 Their minds were closed and hardened, for even to this day that same veil comes over their minds when they hear the words of the former covenant. The veil has not yet been lifted from them, for it is only eliminated when one is joined to the Messiah. 15 So until now, whenever the Old Testament is being read, the same blinding comes over their hearts. 16 But the moment one turns to the Lord with an open heart, the veil is lifted and they see. 17 Now, the “Lord” I’m referring to is the Holy Spirit, and wherever he is Lord, there is freedom.
18 We can all draw close to him with the veil removed from our faces. And with no veil we all become like mirrors who brightly reflect the glory of the Lord Jesus. We are being transfigured into his very image as we move from one brighter level of glory to another. And this glorious transfiguration comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

2 Cor 4:5
5 We don’t preach ourselves, but rather the lordship of Jesus Christ, for we are your servants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For God, who said,

Notice Paul explicitly identifies Jesus as the Lord who is the Spirit, and not a "third person" who ain't Jesus.

What Paddington is preaching is the spirit of the antichrist.

But the Bible doesn't say that. It says that the Lord is the Spirit...the Holy Spirit is the Lord.

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

You need to turn to the Lord and let the veil on your heart be lifted.

I would agree that Jesus Christ is the Lord God as you pointed out in 2 Cor 4:5.

I would also agree that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are one, but so is the Father.

READ THE POST JUST BELOW THIS ONE AND SEE THAT BROS IS A FRAUD WHO IS LEADING PEOPLE ASTRAY.

[Paddington]

  
THE BIBLE TEACHES THAT JESUS CHRIST IS GOD
 
There are some religions out there that believe and teach that Jesus Christ is not God. Some teach that He is a god, but not thee God. I am going to demonstrate through the word of God that He is God and created all things.

Jesus’s name “Immanuel” LITERALLY means “God with us”

Mt 1:23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."

Isa 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.

He always existed (from everlasting):
 
Mic 5:2 (NKJV) "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, [Though] you are little among the thousands of Judah, [Yet] out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth [are] from of old, From everlasting."
 
This prophecy is of Christ's first comming. His Goings forth have been from everlasting because Christ Jesus is God.

Jesus Christ is one with the Father. He is God.
 
Joh 14:8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one God:
 
1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

Jesus declares Himself to be the great I AM of the Old Testiment. I AM is God's Name
 
Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."
 
I am IS God. There is only one God. That God has three parts.
 
Ex 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
 
His Disciple/Apostle Peter Admits that Jesus knows “All things” (Only God knows all things)
 
Joh 21:17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Feed My sheep.

The Bible calls Jesus Christ The Great God and our Savior:

Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Jesus Knows Our Thoughts

Mt 9:4 But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, "Why do you think evil in your hearts?

Lu 11:17 But He, knowing their thoughts, said to them: "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and a house divided against a house falls.

In Him Dwells all of the fullness of the Godhead Bodily:

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. {rudiments: or, elements} {make a prey: or, seduce you, or, lead you astray} For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Col 1:12 ¶ Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: {his...: Gr. the Son of his love}
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

He is the image of the invisible God. All things were created by Him:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. {in...: or, among all} 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;


 God's plurality is found in Genesis
 
Ge 1:26 ¶ Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
 
His Disciple/Apostle Thomas Confessed Him to be God and Jesus did NOT rebuke Him for it:
 
Joh 20:27 Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing."And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
 
This verse demonstrates how God has multiple aspects. He said Let “US” make man in “OUR” image. He didn’t say, let me make man in My image, He said let US make man is OUR image.
 
His Apostle/Disciple John declares Christ Jesus to be God:
 
Joh 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
 
His Apostle/Disciple John declares that the world was made by Him (Jesus Christ)
 
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
 
All things were made by Him and He was in the beginning with God (Father)
 
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
 
There are MANY places where He is worshipped and Jesus NEVER tells them not to worship Him, NOT once. Only God is to be worshipped, because Jesus IS God, Jesus IS worshipped:
 
Mt 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. {presented: or, offered}
Mt 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
Mt 9:18 ¶ While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.
Mt 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Mt 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
Mt 18:26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. {worshipped him: or, besought him}
 Mt 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
Mt 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mr 5:6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
Mr 15:19 And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him.
Lu 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
Joh 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
Ac 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
Re 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Scripture refers to Him as the Lord, Jesus Christ. The phrase "The Lord" is unique only to God:

Here are a few mentioning "The Lord Your God"

De 5:6 ¶ I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. {bondage: Heb. servants}

De 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

De 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

De 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.


Here are many calling Him Jesus Christ, The Lord.

Ac 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Ac 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Ac 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Ac 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Ro 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ro 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Ro 15:30 ¶ Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

1Co 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

1Co 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

2Co 1:2 Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. <<The second [epistle to the Corinthians was written from Philippi, a city of Macedonia, by Titus and Lucas.]>>

Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Eph 6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Php 1:2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: {conversation...: or, we live or conduct ourselves as citizens of heaven, or, for obtaining heaven}

Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The Trinity (Three in one)

Mt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Father, Son and Spirit Present at Christ’s Baptism:

Mt 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Conclusion: Jesus Christ is God. Not a God but the God of the bible. God has three personalities. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. All are equal, yet the Son is submissive to the Father and the Holy Spirit is submissive to the Son. Jesus Christ was an EXAMPLE for us. He died on the cross for our sins so that we could go to heaven and be forgiven of our sins. He shed His blood for us.

[Paddington]

Right on!

[Paddington]

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[Paddington]

For sure!

[Paddington]

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[Paddington]

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[Paddington]

Paul actually teaches that Jesus is the Spirit in 2 Cor 3:17, not a "third person" as per "the trinity" doctrine.

2 Cor 3:14-18
14 Their minds were closed and hardened, for even to this day that same veil comes over their minds when they hear the words of the former covenant. The veil has not yet been lifted from them, for it is only eliminated when one is joined to the Messiah. 15 So until now, whenever the Old Testament is being read, the same blinding comes over their hearts. 16 But the moment one turns to the Lord with an open heart, the veil is lifted and they see. 17 Now, the “Lord” I’m referring to is the Holy Spirit, and wherever he is Lord, there is freedom.
18 We can all draw close to him with the veil removed from our faces. And with no veil we all become like mirrors who brightly reflect the glory of the Lord Jesus. We are being transfigured into his very image as we move from one brighter level of glory to another. And this glorious transfiguration comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

2 Cor 4:5
5 We don’t preach ourselves, but rather the lordship of Jesus Christ, for we are your servants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For God, who said,

Notice Paul explicitly identifies Jesus as the Lord who is the Spirit, and not a "third person" who ain't Jesus.

What Paddington is preaching is the spirit of the antichrist.

No, it's teaches that Father, Son and Spirit are ONE. The Trinity is one God. Do you really need to lose this debate again?

[Paddington]

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