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    President Trump: I don't need congressional approval to strike Iran

    President Donald Trump refuted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s contention that he needs congressional approval to order a strike on Iran, he said Monday.

    “I do believe that … but we’ve been keeping Congress abreast of what we’re doing, and I think it’s something they appreciate. We had a lot of folks over the other day … Told them what was happening, what was going on,” Trump told reporters from The Hill.

    Pelosi said Friday that Trump could not strike Iran without the approval of Congress. Her comments came after Trump geared up to launch a military strike against Iran then called it off because he said it would not be a proportional response Friday.

    “We were pretty close to maybe making a decision to strike then I decided not to do it. Nobody went out by the way, I was going to make that decision by a certain time, and I decided not to do it because it wasn’t really proportional. I like the idea of keeping Congress abreast but I wouldn’t have to do that,” the president continued.

    Trump denied Pelosi’s argument Monday.

    “I disagree, most people seem to disagree but I do like keeping them… they have ideas, they’re intelligent people, they come up with some thoughts. I actually learned a couple of things the other day when we had our meeting with Congress which I think helpful to me. I do like keeping them abreast, but I don’t have to do it legally,” Trump said.

    Trump signed an executive order Monday placing “hard-hitting” sanctions on Iran after increased tensions over the past week. He also approved cyberattacks against Iran that launched Thursday.

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    Originally Posted by HoganIsGOAT View Post
    President Donald Trump refuted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s contention that he needs congressional approval to order a strike on Iran, he said Monday.

    “I do believe that … but we’ve been keeping Congress abreast of what we’re doing, and I think it’s something they appreciate. We had a lot of folks over the other day … Told them what was happening, what was going on,” Trump told reporters from The Hill.

    Pelosi said Friday that Trump could not strike Iran without the approval of Congress. Her comments came after Trump geared up to launch a military strike against Iran then called it off because he said it would not be a proportional response Friday.

    “We were pretty close to maybe making a decision to strike then I decided not to do it. Nobody went out by the way, I was going to make that decision by a certain time, and I decided not to do it because it wasn’t really proportional. I like the idea of keeping Congress abreast but I wouldn’t have to do that,” the president continued.

    Trump denied Pelosi’s argument Monday.

    “I disagree, most people seem to disagree but I do like keeping them… they have ideas, they’re intelligent people, they come up with some thoughts. I actually learned a couple of things the other day when we had our meeting with Congress which I think helpful to me. I do like keeping them abreast, but I don’t have to do it legally,” Trump said.

    Trump signed an executive order Monday placing “hard-hitting” sanctions on Iran after increased tensions over the past week. He also approved cyberattacks against Iran that launched Thursday.

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    This is why Trump pisses me off, why is he announcing to the world about current missions, that is one of the reasons I voted for him- to stop that BS we've seen the past few President's do, it makes no sense to me other than to score political points to seem strong.

    If I remember right, he has the ability to use the Marines/quick strike forces without approval, but a full scale war he would need approval.
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    Unfortunately he’s right and she is wrong, he can.




    Fwiw Nixon vetoed that act and congress overrides the veto so here we are.

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    Originally Posted by brighamw View Post
    He doesnt...

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    section II part A last paragraph

    “recognizes and presupposes the existence of unilateral presidential authority to deploy armed forces” into hostilities or circumstances presenting an imminent risk of hostilities”
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    He can. This precedent was set long ago.

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    Clinton "struck" in Kosovo without congress

    Whether he can get away with it or not is one thing, but actually doing it would be retarded neoconning
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    calling it now. congress is going to challenge that mofo into doing something stupid
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    Originally Posted by gachase21 View Post
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    section II part A last paragraph

    “recognizes and presupposes the existence of unilateral presidential authority to deploy armed forces” into hostilities or circumstances presenting an imminent risk of hostilities”
    IIRC, he has the authority to initiate things, but after a certain period of time (30 days or 90 days, something like that), he need congressional approval to continue.

    So yes, he can order strikes on his own, but not a prolonged campaign.
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    Originally Posted by DuracellBunny View Post
    IIRC, he has the authority to initiate things, but after a certain period of time (30 days or 90 days, something like that), he need congressional approval to continue.

    So yes, he can order strikes on his own, but not a prolonged campaign.

    Pretty much with a few caveats yes
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    We actually had a discussion about this ITT especially starting around post 160ih- I hated to agree with metroins on anything but he was correct this one time

    Later in that thread I posted a few citation links

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    We had a few more after that.


    It’s never been challenged in Supreme Court , and I feel Nixon was correct in that it’s unconstitutional.


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    I don’t have to do it legally
    Pure Trump modus operandi.
    He thinks he doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to, and if he wants to do something illegal, hell, he can do it if he wants to and fukc the constitution, fukc due process, and fukc anyone who tells him he can't do whatever the hell he likes.
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    Originally Posted by dakensta View Post
    Pure Trump modus operandi.
    He thinks he doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to, and if he wants to do something illegal, hell, he can do it if he wants to and fukc the constitution, fukc due process, and fukc anyone who tells him he can't do whatever the hell he likes.
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    Like several other people have said the President can launch punitive strikes. Obama did it unilaterally, so did Bush, and Clinton, etc. Once it goes over a certain time frame it requires Congressional approval.
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    It would be in China & Russia's best interest for the USA to go to war with Iran. It would be the final nail in the coffin for our hegemony.
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    Hasn't every President in living memory launched some kind of military strike without going through Congress? I thought this was a well established precedent.

    Not saying it's a good idea BTW, just that this is a well-trodden path.
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    Guise, I misread. When Trump said "I don't have to do it legally" I assumed he meant what he said, but as we know, he can't talk for shyt. He meant to say, "lI am not legally required to do it."

    c.f.
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    "I like to have sex with women, but I am not legally required to do so."

    Maybe not the best example, lol.
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    Hasn't every President in living memory launched some kind of military strike without going through Congress? I thought this was a well established precedent.

    Not saying it's a good idea BTW, just that this is a well-trodden path.
    Declaring war (which takes congress) is much different than drone striking a country.
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    Originally Posted by Mr Beer View Post
    Hasn't every President in living memory launched some kind of military strike without going through Congress? I thought this was a well established precedent.
    Yeah but this time it's Literally Hitler pushing the button.
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    Good on Nancy for saying this, but I'm not confident that if the bombs actually meet the sand...that she will forbid Trump from continuing a war against Iran. Why do I say this? Because a few months ago, Nancy was at the same AIPAC meeting that Graham, Bolton and Pompeo were at. She was talking about how "evil" Iran is, and how it is a "terrorist nation."

    You people need to realize that the real power which dictates whether or not we go to war in the Middle East-is "unconcerned" with our puny constitution, and "Democracy".
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    Originally Posted by Tears View Post
    Declaring war (which takes congress) is much different than drone striking a country.
    That's roughly what I thought. POTUS can't unilaterally declare war but precedent has established a lot of wiggle room short of full blown D Day style operations.
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    Originally Posted by Tears View Post
    Declaring war (which takes congress) is much different than drone striking a country.
    Only delusional Americans think that. Imagine the Iranians launching drone strikes on US soil and then claiming it wasn't really an act of war, just a silly ol' drone strike
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    Originally Posted by Tha big kahoona View Post
    Only delusional Americans think that. Imagine the Iranians launching drone strikes on US soil and then claiming it wasn't really an act of war, just a silly ol' drone strike
    I'd be interested what your take on Iran is, being located in the UAE. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you all aren't on the best terms with Iran, correct?
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    Originally Posted by OPGenesis View Post
    I'd be interested what your take on Iran is, being located in the UAE. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you all aren't on the best terms with Iran, correct?
    I'd like to think that where i live and work has no bearing on what i consider to be morally commendable/objectionable behavior. I don't represent the UAE, and they sure as hell don't represent me.

    I wouldn't call myself a pacifist, but I'm 100% for non interventionist policy. That includes the often used lie that is "prevantative action".
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    Originally Posted by BullittEV View Post
    This is why Trump pisses me off, why is he announcing to the world about current missions, that is one of the reasons I voted for him- to stop that BS we've seen the past few President's do, it makes no sense to me other than to score political points to seem strong.

    If I remember right, he has the ability to use the Marines/quick strike forces without approval, but a full scale war he would need approval.
    Letting Iran know that he doesn't need congress' approval to strike them isn't letting any cats out of the bag. They have to know the threat is real.
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    Originally Posted by gachase21 View Post
    We actually had a discussion about this ITT especially starting around post 160ih- I hated to agree with metroins on anything but he was correct this one time

    Later in that thread I posted a few citation links

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    It’s never been challenged in Supreme Court , and I feel Nixon was correct in that it’s unconstitutional.


    But until challenged it’s law
    This. Just like with everything else recently, it is the responsibility of Congress to make laws. But they don't want to do their job. So for the last 25 years, they've let the Executive and Judicial branches act in their stead. They've allowed the last several Presidents to take military action in countries all over the world.

    If they want to put a stop to it, great?

    In fact, it'd be pretty amazing if Congress got off their asses and made it so the President can't unilaterally order strikes in foreign countries. If Trump had that in mind in order to force them to act, that'd be even more amazing.
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    how many times congress voted on all them drone strikes of the last admin
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