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    Supreme Court gets tough on Republican gerrymandering

    Little backdrop;

    1. Virginal had a Republican gerrymandered district map for elections

    2. Dems took over major State government positions for the first time in long time

    3. Even though Dems keep winning total State votes and State elected positions like Governor and Atty Gen, Republicans still control the House through gerrymandered district maps

    3. Dems then sued to change DISTRICT maps

    4. District Court sides with Dems saying how ridiculously gerrymandered district maps are. Court draws its own "fair" map (which by being fair is also Dem-friendly in VA)

    5. Republicans appeal lower Court. They lose. Reps then appeal to Supreme Court

    6. Supreme Court today dismissed Republican challenge saying Virgina must take lower court drawn map

    7. Conservatives Clarence Thomas and Gorsuch sign on to Liberal Judges' dismissal of Republican challenge

    8. Virginia will have to implement new map before next elections


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    Right now Republicans have a very small 51-49 control of the State Legislature.

    Democrats are expected to sweep in the next elections.

    Why?

    The Republicans specifically focused on 11 districts to "trap" Black votes in non-competitive races.

    The Court redrawn map specifically focused on those 11 districts in particular to bring the impact of Black votes on par with their strength.

    Basically the new fair map makes a lot of districts that were made "Republican" (through the old map) more fair and very competitive.

    Virginia has completely fallen to Dems!
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    If people are still questioning where Georgia and North Carolina are headed. Look to Virgina!

    Less than a decade ago, Virginia was considered Ruby Red. It hadn't voted Dem in half a century.

    But under that monotony, a cauldron was simmering.

    These states like Virginia and Georgia and North Carolina are not like Pennsylvania and Ohio where they sometimes have cross-over votes.

    These southern states with their racial history and cultural grievances are about domination.

    There are NO crossover votes so you cannot predict when everything will change because the other group will quickly dominate if they get a single vote advantage.

    It's like a speeding car in the middle of the night with their lights off, you don't know when it might hit.

    Similarly, Virginia went from the most Republican of states to a Dem-playground overnight.

    Dems went from nothing in decades to winning ALL state elected positions and the presidential vote every election since 2008 in Virginia.

    Georgia, and North Carolina to some extent, will be the next Virginia in the next decade. Mark my words.

    Georgia is just waiting for that one missing vote to go from Ruby Red to Dem-playground in state elections.
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    Originally Posted by rocker1 View Post
    Blah blah . liberal bull**** blah blah.
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    Virginia went blue because of bleed over from DC.
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    Originally Posted by Dan_S View Post
    Virginia went blue because of bleed over from DC.
    Location California, chief source of the blue hemorrhage.
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    Not a peep about the top (D) officials of the state being racist? Weird, rocker seems very, very objective to politics- I must be wrong, a Republican going blackface and taking pictures with a KKK costume would have received the same treatment.

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    Devils advocate here, Isn't redrawing the lines to give Virginia a more democratic tilt just gerrymandering in reverse?
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    Originally Posted by BearyManilowe View Post
    Devils advocate here, Isn't redrawing the lines to give Virginia a more democratic tilt just gerrymandering in reverse?
    That’s not how the new lines will be drawn.
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    Originally Posted by rocker1 View Post
    Little backdrop;

    1. Virginal had a Republican gerrymandered district map for elections

    2. Dems took over major State government positions for the first time in long time

    3. Even though Dems keep winning total State votes and State elected positions like Governor and Atty Gen, Republicans still control the House through gerrymandered district maps

    3. Dems then sued to change DISTRICT maps

    4. District Court sides with Dems saying how ridiculously gerrymandered district maps are. Court draws its own "fair" map (which by being fair is also Dem-friendly in VA)

    5. Republicans appeal lower Court. They lose. Reps then appeal to Supreme Court

    6. Supreme Court today dismissed Republican challenge saying Virgina must take lower court drawn map

    7. Conservatives Clarence Thomas and Gorsuch sign on to Liberal Judges' dismissal of Republican challenge

    8. Virginia will have to implement new map before next elections


    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/vir...ering-case.amp
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    That’s not how the new lines will be drawn.
    Based on #4? Theyve just redrawn the map to give Democrats more favorable districts. Why did the Court get to decide the map? Gerrymandering is nothing new though, MDs Eastern Shore and the Harco/BaltCo districts are a hot mess as is the district that ties western MD into Montgomery County. Could Republicans sue to have the maps redrawn for that?

    Ruppersberger wouldn't even have a seat in the House if his District didnt stretch down the route 40 corridor out to Dundalk/Essex
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    Originally Posted by BullittEV View Post
    Not a peep about the top (D) officials of the state being racist? Weird, rocker seems very, very objective to politics- I must be wrong, a Republican going blackface and taking pictures with a KKK costume would have received the same treatment.

    Fake-ass racist.
    Not only do I think that was a non-issue, I supported his decision to fight and stay on as Governor.

    Who cares about some dumb mistake he made ages ago (if that was even him), when every single vote and position he had in public policy helped promote civil rights and equality for Black people?

    I don't!!!
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    Originally Posted by BearyManilowe View Post
    Based on #4? Theyve just redrawn the map to give Democrats more favorable districts. Why did the Court get to decide the map? Gerrymandering is nothing new though, MDs Eastern Shore and the Harco/BaltCo districts are a hot mess as is the district that ties western MD into Montgomery County. Could Republicans sue to have the maps redrawn for that?

    Ruppersberger wouldn't even have a seat in the House if his District didnt stretch down the route 40 corridor out to Dundalk/Essex
    By being fair, the map favors Dems. That's because the gerrymandered maps took Blacks/minorities and put them all into few Dem areas. By making the maps fair, it makes Republican seats competitive for Dems hence Dem-friendly.

    Making the maps Dem-friendly isn't the AIM of a fair Court formed map, but it happens to be an outcome in this case because the votes which were suppressed before were traditionally Dem votes.
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    So under The Constitution of the United States of America the SC will limit the Republicans ability to cheat?



    But how will they win elections?



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    Originally Posted by BearyManilowe View Post
    Based on #4? Theyve just redrawn the map to give Democrats more favorable districts. Why did the Court get to decide the map? Gerrymandering is nothing new though, MDs Eastern Shore and the Harco/BaltCo districts are a hot mess as is the district that ties western MD into Montgomery County. Could Republicans sue to have the maps redrawn for that?

    Ruppersberger wouldn't even have a seat in the House if his District didnt stretch down the route 40 corridor out to Dundalk/Essex
    True, my beloved Maryland is gerrymandered as phuk for the dems. For some reason it doesn't seem to bother me as much...

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    Not a peep about the top (D) officials of the state being racist? Weird, rocker seems very, very objective to politics- I must be wrong, a Republican going blackface and taking pictures with a KKK costume would have received the same treatment.

    Fake-ass racist.
    To be fair, the black guy at the top isn't a racist. He's just a rapist.
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    Originally Posted by wesleysh21 View Post
    To be fair, the black guy at the top isn't a racist. He's just a rapist.
    He was talking about the Governor Northam, not the Black Lt Gov.

    I think Northam is fine, but the Black Lt Gov with the rape allegations should definitely go.
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    Basically after Trump, any deviant behavior is fair game.

    "I grab them by the pussies"

    Phuked a porn star while his wife was home with a newborn infant.

    Can't get a lot lower than POS Trump.
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    Phuked a porn star while his wife was home with a newborn infant.

    Can't get a lot lower than POS Trump.
    You all not only found a POS worse than Trump, y’all pushed Bernie aside who had a legit shot to Win just so said POS could run.
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    Originally Posted by rocker1 View Post
    He was talking about the Governor Northam, not the Black Lt Gov.

    I think Northam is fine, but the Black Lt Gov with the rape allegations should definitely go.
    When it was just Northam, they wanted him to go as well. Then Mr. Rapey pants story came out, and they wanted him gone. That left the 3rd in line to the throne (who was also a Democrat) to take over when the first 2 resigned. But oops, the 3rd in line to the governor position ALSO appeared in black face. Damn it. That meant 4th in line would take over, and that guy was a Republican. So what happened next? Nothing. Because racism and rape don't bother Democrats as much as being a Republican does.
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    OP, today's decision had nothing to do with the gerrymandering. The issue SCOTUS ruled on was whether the Virginia state legislature had legal standing to bring the case before the Supreme Court. Your history of the case is missing key facts:

    -When Virginia’s attorney general declined to appeal the ruling to the Supreme Court, the state’s House of Delegates did so instead. The issue in this decision was whether the state's House of Delegates had legal standing to bring this case to SCOTUS.

    Virginia law is clear that only the state attorney general can represent the state in civil litigation, which was Ginsburg's main point in the majority decision. The House argued that they have standing because it is their right as legislatures to draw district lines, but that was shot down by the majority because they still retain the power to redraw district lines and their role as legislatures has not been altered.

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    You all not only found a POS worse than Trump, y’all pushed Bernie aside who had a legit shot to Win just so said POS could run.
    was wondering how long it would take this thread to pivot to "but what about hillary".

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    I love how "fair" means "In favor of Democrats" in this context lol
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    Originally Posted by NillaWafer View Post
    OP, today's decision had nothing to do with the gerrymandering. The issue SCOTUS ruled on was whether the Virginia state legislature had legal standing to bring the case before the Supreme Court. Your history of the case is missing key facts:

    -When Virginia’s attorney general declined to appeal the ruling to the Supreme Court, the state’s House of Delegates did so instead. The issue in this decision was whether the state's House of Delegates had legal standing to bring this case to SCOTUS.

    Virginia law is clear that only the state attorney general can represent the state in civil litigation, which was Ginsburg's main point in the majority decision. The House argued that they have standing because it is their right as legislatures to draw district lines, but that was shot down by the majority because they still retain the power to redraw district lines and their role as legislatures has not been altered.

    If you're going to post a SCOTUS decision to the misc, please at least read the scotusblog analysis.
    Thank you for the nothing burger. Nothing that you said contradicts anything I said.

    I said it was the District Court that ruled against Republicans and mandated a new fair map to be used. After that I said, subsequently the Republicans appealed and the Supreme Court dismissed the challenge letting lower Court opinion stand.
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    Originally Posted by DrWilliam View Post
    I love how "fair" means "In favor of Democrats" in this context lol
    well, if in statewide elections the democrats have a majority of the votes, but in the legislature they have minority of the districts - you tell me if that's "fair"
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    Originally Posted by wesleysh21 View Post
    When it was just Northam, they wanted him to go as well. Then Mr. Rapey pants story came out, and they wanted him gone. That left the 3rd in line to the throne (who was also a Democrat) to take over when the first 2 resigned. But oops, the 3rd in line to the governor position ALSO appeared in black face. Damn it. That meant 4th in line would take over, and that guy was a Republican. So what happened next? Nothing. Because racism and rape don't bother Democrats as much as being a Republican does.
    Your assertion would be relevant if only the ENTIRE Democratic apparatus including the Dem Party of Virginia did not call for Northam to resign.

    Northam refused to resign even while the Lt Gov, who had not yet faced his own allegations, called for him to go.

    So you see, the calculation for Northam never included the chain of leadership below him and whether that included a Republican succession.

    Your paranoid assertion is in fact not grounded in anything.

    With regards to Northam, I was against him resigning from the get go. The man has devoted his ENTIRE political career to voting for amd championing policies that helped Black people in his state. In fact, one of my good friends vehemently disagreed with me on this and we did an audit of Northam's entire voting record. Together, we looked at every single vote Northam gave in the Virginia Legislature spanning his entire political career.

    Why would a man like that be punished for a dumb mistake as a young man in college in a different era in the South?

    No thank you. I completely support Northam's decision.

    The Lt Gov with the sexual harassment allegation from couple years ago definitely does need to go though.
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    Originally Posted by rocker1 View Post
    Not only do I think that was a non-issue, I supported his decision to fight and stay on as Governor.

    Who cares about some dumb mistake he made ages ago
    (if that was even him), when every single vote and position he had in public policy helped promote civil rights and equality for Black people?

    I don't!!!
    Didn't you just make that Kyle Kashuv thread today? Talk about being a total fukkin hypocrite.
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    Originally Posted by DrWilliam View Post
    I love how "fair" means "In favor of Democrats" in this context lol
    It's called proportionality. If something is someway and adversely affects one person unfairly, by making it fair proportionally it would help that person.

    Similarly, in this Republican created gerrymander in Virginia, it was Democrats that were unfairly targeted. It was their voter base which was diluted. By making it fair, it is Democrats that will see their favor rise.
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    Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    well, if in statewide elections the democrats have a majority of the votes, but in the legislature they have minority of the districts - you tell me if that's "fair"
    I get that, but I think the word "fair" here isn't the world they are looking for.
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    Originally Posted by gwg77 View Post
    Didn't you just make that Kyle Kashuv thread today? Talk about being a total fukkin hypocrite.
    And please quote what I said about whether Kyle should be forgiven or not. I even said he should have recourse to appeal the Harvard decision on account of his apology.

    The point of that topic was to point out the pattern of the lone Conservative among the Parkland activists being the one caught hurling racial abuse against his classmates. It did not say anything about holding that over him after he apologized.

    I believe in redemption thank you.
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