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    Chinas Global Chokehold On Medicine:

    https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2020...als-in-months/

    "China could effectively shut down America’s healthcare system within months given the one-party state’s “global chokehold” on the manufacturing of medicines and medical supplies, explained Rosemary Gibson, author of China Rx: Exposing the Risks of America’s Dependence on China for Medicine."

    "Mansour noted how the coronavirus outbreak in China has exposed America’s dangerous dependence on Chinese production of pharmaceutical and medical supplies, including an estimated 97 percent of all antibiotics and 80 percent of the active pharmaceutical ingredients needed for domestic drug production."

    How is that not a national security issue?
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    Huge national security issue.

    Pharma manufacturing would be great to grow domestically. Especially considering it will basically exist for the eternity of the human race.
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    Horror story. No telling is some of the drugs from China people take are tainted with slow-acting poison.

    Good post, RIK.
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    Almost all our chit is manufactured in China.
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    These things should definitely be done domestically. How would people feel if all our food had to be imported from China?

    Not to mention that China isn't really known for their cleanliness, which just makes it that much worse.
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    Originally Posted by MilkofSumYunGai View Post
    It's to reduce prices. Imagine everything being that much more expensive. We can't have it both ways. Well...maybe we could. We could probably choose a new manufacturing bro. Tons of free, cheap labor in NK for example.
    We already get our illegal drugs from Mexico may as well get our legal as well. Plus there is this whole being neighbors thing.
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    Originally Posted by MilkofSumYunGai View Post
    Too bad the cartels and chit. Otherwise, it would be great. If Mexico boosted its GDP and standard of living by manufacturing for us, immigration to the US would also be reduced.
    They do manufacture a lot already. Pharma definitely has more dynamics associated with it than vehicles or air conditioners though.
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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    They do manufacture a lot already. Pharma definitely has more dynamics associated with it than vehicles or air conditioners though.
    Can you imagine Big Pharma moving into Mexico? Cartels wouldn't be happy.
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    Any drug imported from China does have to be approved by the FDA, though probably very very understaffed. I think I read a couple years ago there were 9? investigators in China. Its a similar situation for India. So technically they all have to adhere to cGMP practices for pharmaceuticals or be issued 483 or consent decrees from the FDA.

    China does represent a huge market and a lot of major pharmaceutical companies are looking to expand their presence in China.

    Historical there are incidents of contaminated drugs making their way from China to the USA and killing people. Most famous incident would be with heparin.

    I would think most of China's exports in the USA in terms of final drug products would be generics/biosimilars. But yea even otherwise a lot of components for drug production are done in the China, for example media components for biologics.
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    Horror story. No telling is some of the drugs from China people take are tainted with slow-acting poison.

    Good post, RIK.
    Yes, it is a problem. China mainly provides the precursors for development of many drugs and India is also very dependent on China. However, drugs are tested at the finished product stage. If there was a coordinated effort to taint our drugs we would likely detect it. Most companies run a series of tests to prove their drugs are safe before releasing them to the public and risking lawsuits. The real danger is a viral outbreak or some other catastrophe which affects China and shuts down manufacturing of drugs. This is why people (i.e. former FDA officials) are discussing the issue and recommending drug companies develop a back-up plan.
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    All the more reason Trump is correct in taking in China economically now instead of later, too many POTUS have kicked the can down the road for years...

    Good guy Trump, might be the 1st POTUS in years to actually love his country enough to do what needs to be done to save it for future generations.
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    Interesting how it took this particular outbreak to make people more vocal about the numerous detrimental effects our reliance upon China has across vital sectors in our lives.

    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    We already get our illegal drugs from Mexico may as well get our legal as well. Plus there is this whole being neighbors thing.
    We should have transitioned to doing business with Central and South American nations on all kinds of production over China, which would built up a much needed economic boon for them, and nearby trade allies for us, with less power concentrated in China (being another win now for the entire world).

    Not to mention how providing a viable route for Central and South American citizens to gain legal and sustainable employment would making working under the cartels far less appealing as they would have safe options that would reliably be there.

    Originally Posted by brighamw View Post
    All the more reason Trump is correct in taking in China economically now instead of later, too many POTUS have kicked the can down the road for years...

    Good guy Trump, might be the 1st POTUS in years to actually love his country enough to do what needs to be done to save it for future generations.
    The resistance and cynicism towards the trade war always struck me as astoundingly moronic and blind because I cannot even say myopic when the writing has been on the walls for far too long as it is that the US needed to cut ties with China.

    Was China having the United States (and most of the world) by the balls not enough for them, and instead they'd prefer the economy collapse first so that China could overtake us entirely? Considering how some really were wishing for an economic collapse purely out of spite, it's a testament as to how some would put their own and the well being of everyone else on the line over political bias.

    What's even harder to wrap one's head around is that there was also furor over just the potential difficulties caused by the trade war rose up, so how those wishing for an economic collapse would handle that when the risk of general goods going up in price was unthinkable. The very notion of a trade war was never going to be ideal, and certainly not now after we've allowed China to gain so much power, but it's becoming increasingly clear that action had to be taken.
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    Originally Posted by nkiritsis13 View Post

    We should have transitioned to doing business with Central and South American nations on all kinds of production over China, which would built up a much needed economic boon for them, and nearby trade allies for us, with less power concentrated in China (being another win now for the entire world).

    Not to mention how providing a viable route for Central and South American citizens to gain legal and sustainable employment would making working under the cartels far less appealing as they would have safe options that would reliably be there.
    Yep, stronger Middle and South America is a good thing for the US for the reasons you listed.
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    Down with Globalism, globalism, and excessive and unnatural globalization.

    Down with trading with China. Total trade embargo for the win.

    Moderate nationalism for the win. American nationalist capitalism is where it's at.
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    Originally Posted by sawoobley View Post
    Yes, it is a problem. China mainly provides the precursors for development of many drugs and India is also very dependent on China. However, drugs are tested at the finished product stage. If there was a coordinated effort to taint our drugs we would likely detect it. Most companies run a series of tests to prove their drugs are safe before releasing them to the public and risking lawsuits. The real danger is a viral outbreak or some other catastrophe which affects China and shuts down manufacturing of drugs. This is why people (i.e. former FDA officials) are discussing the issue and recommending drug companies develop a back-up plan.
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    Down with Globalism, globalism, and excessive and unnatural globalization.

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    Originally Posted by MilkofSumYunGai View Post
    Almost all our chit is manufactured in China.
    Yes, and that is a YUGE national security issue.
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    Originally Posted by chaunce54 View Post
    Yes, and that is a YUGE national security issue.
    Because of fraud and counterfeits, right?
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    China's alleged economic might is nothing more than a paper dragon.
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    Doesn't say it in this article, but yes these are being manufactured in China.

    Cardinal Health, a large manufacturer of surgical gowns, told customers this month to stop using its Level 3 surgical gowns, along with the procedural packs that contain the gowns.
    The company discovered some of the gowns were produced in "unapproved locations that did not maintain proper environmental conditions as required by law, were not registered with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and were not qualified by Cardinal Health,"
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