★Early bird fantasy football discussion 2019★

[Fiz-iks]

Titans seemed to stop him pretty well in the FF playoffs. Game 1of last year they had zero tape on him...

Lmao the "one-game" argument again. I bring up the Jaguars example because they held Barkley in check the entire game until he broke a massive run for a TD. Barkley had 18 attempts for 106 yards, 68 yards came on the TD run. The Jags did a great job containing him, until they didn't.

[Tyler2106]

Not the same talent and he is STILL a top 15 pick in every draft.

What do you think is MORE likely, saquon leads league in scoring or Kamara? Cmc?

There is your answer.

I guess I value DJ more than you do. I think he's one of the most talented backs in the league. Barkley is probably the most gifted physically, but doesn't means he's more talented than everyone else.

No one, NO ONE, would have thought DJ was going to have troubles after his 2k season, but he did. The sample size is too small for Barkley and the Giants offense will look different this season which is why people have their reservations with him this year.

[dhawkeye1980]

Lmao the "one-game" argument again. I bring up the Jaguars example because they held Barkley in check the entire game until he broke a massive run for a TD. Barkley had 18 attempts for 106 yards, 68 yards came on the TD run. The Jags did a great job containing him, until they didn't.

So you break my "one game argument" by posting your own "one game argument"?

K

[Fiz-iks]

So you break my "one game argument" by posting your own "one game argument"?

K

Now you're being obtuse. I gave an example of one game to demonstrate a specific point that I had referenced earlier and to offer a counter-point to your suggestion that he only did well because the Jags couldn't plan for him because it was week 1.

12/16 games he had more than 20 points. 14/16 games he had more than 15 points. 15/16 games more than 10 points.

1 game below 10 points.

It's funny, I never see you talk about any other game than the Titans game. Which just so happens to the one game Barkley scored below 10 points.

One game argument, that's all you have.

Hold the L.

[thefullmonte]

Words can not express how much I hate ESPN’s new interface. It is awful. It is Yahoo level bad

[dhawkeye1980]

Now you're being obtuse. I gave an example of one game to demonstrate a specific point that I had referenced earlier and to offer a counter-point to your suggestion that he only did well because the Jags couldn't plan for him because it was week 1.

12/16 games he had more than 20 points. 14/16 games he had more than 15 points. 15/16 games more than 10 points.

1 game below 10 points.

It's funny, I never see you talk about any other game than the Titans game. Which just so happens to the one game Barkley scored below 10 points.

One game argument, that's all you have.

Hold the L.

Youre missing the point, im not saying barkley wont be good. Im saying he might not end up being #1 pick good over guys on high powered offenses. Barkley is their legit only weapon. Are you going to hope he breaks a 60+ yarder every game to offset the 10 runs for 12 yards?

[Murph0408]

completely understand Saquon going 1 overall but don't act like he's bullet proof. it's very hard to be that good two years in a row. the giants do not have a real #1 receiver and Eli is a year older. throwing the rookie in will not necessarily make anything better for fantasy purposes.

[thefullmonte]

People said the same about DJ....

Apples and oranges imo. The huge issue with DJ last year was that he wasn’t used nearly as much in the passing game. He caught almost half of the passes as Barkley. You give him just a portion of those back, with the associated YPC and just 1 single TD...and he’s right behind Zeke as the RB6

He’s didn’t become a fundamentally different player. They simply stopped using him in situations where he greatly excels. That decision cost a bunch of people their jobs.

[Fiz-iks]

Youre missing the point, im not saying barkley wont be good. Im saying he might not end up being #1 pick good over guys on high powered offenses. Barkley is their legit only weapon. Are you going to hope he breaks a 60+ yarder every game to offset the 10 runs for 12 yards?

Let's not go down the road of #1 OA being a dart-throw about trying to pick the player who will finish #1 in fantasy. The goal should be to draft the player with the highest % chance of finishing top 5. Barkley has the highest chance because he is the best player in the NFL.

[Jayarbie]

Everyone knows Gordon is coming back, it's just a matter of when. Could be week 1, could be week 10. A beat writer's projection doesn't make it more likely to happen.

A beat writer's speculation makes it all but certain to happen. You hush your mouth now.

[thefullmonte]

A beat writer's speculation makes it all but certain to happen. You hush your mouth now.

I’m fairly convinced that Gordon sits out the absolute maximum amount of time while allowing his contract to vest. I haven’t followed this closely enough to say if that’s 6 games or 10....but his support and comments re the Bell situation last year are awfully telling.

And I don’t think you can rule out the possibility that if he sits out 10 games...that the team simply doesn’t activate him for the remainder of the season.

But I’m guessing this situation is going to mirror Bell’s more closely than we think right now if they can’t work out a contract soon

[sandcar3]

I did a ten man mock today from the first spot and here is how it turned out:

1. Saquon Barkley (NYG - RB)
2. Todd Gurley II (LAR - RB)
3. Mike Evans (TB - WR)
4. Robert Woods (LAR - WR)
5. Chris Carson (Sea - RB)
6. D.J. Moore (Car - WR)
7. Phillip Lindsay (Den - RB)
8. James White (NE - RB)
9. A.J. Green (Cin - WR)
10. Dede Westbrook (Jax - WR)
11. Jared Goff (LAR - QB)
12. John Brown (Buf - WR)
13. Dallas (Dal - DEF)
14. Jimmy Graham (GB - TE)
15. Jason Myers (Sea - K)


I'm pretty sure you take someone other than Barkley at number 1 and this team is still crazy stacked. I really like being able to take an elite RB at 1 and then doubling up on best available the next time you pick. If Gurley wouldn't have made it to my second pick I'd have probably gone WR, WR there and then RB, RB at the 4, 5 turn. I basically just went best WR/RB available each time and filled in everything else later. I've got one 10 man league that hasn't drafted yet and if my team is even close to something like this I would be very pleased.

[thefullmonte]

That’s a league winning (mock) team there Sand. I’d be tickled pink if my draft shook out like that.

[sfgiants13]

Does anyone use the football guys league dominator? I did their free version of the fantasy dominator and it was ok for me. The premium is $9 for the season which isn't bad considering last year I finished in last 8 weeks and it cost me $10 each week.

[Jayarbie]

I’m fairly convinced that Gordon sits out the absolute maximum amount of time while allowing his contract to vest. I haven’t followed this closely enough to say if that’s 6 games or 10....but his support and comments re the Bell situation last year are awfully telling.

And I don’t think you can rule out the possibility that if he sits out 10 games...that the team simply doesn’t activate him for the remainder of the season.

But I’m guessing this situation is going to mirror Bell’s more closely than we think right now if they can’t work out a contract soon

The only thing that I would say to counter this argument is that it clearly cost Bell. It cost him $14m from last year's tag contract and it cost him $20m less in his contract than the Steelers offered (although I think guaranteed money was similar, that's only the floor/insurance not the contract value unless you are planning to suck and get cut at the first possible moment).

[yuja]

Does anyone use the football guys league dominator? I did their free version of the fantasy dominator and it was ok for me. The premium is $9 for the season which isn't bad considering last year I finished in last 8 weeks and it cost me $10 each week.

you can get a 'free' footballguys membership by depositing $10 in fanduel

i do it every year with a new email

[sfgiants13]

you can get a 'free' footballguys membership by depositing $10 in fanduel

i do it every year with a new email

Unfortunately I live in a nanny state so Fanduel doesn't operate here.

[thefullmonte]

What’s the best site to set up entry fee/payout?

[yuja]

What’s the best site to set up entry fee/payout?

leaguesafe

[weightsb4dates]

completely understand Saquon going 1 overall but don't act like he's bullet proof. it's very hard to be that good two years in a row. the giants do not have a real #1 receiver and Eli is a year older. throwing the rookie in will not necessarily make anything better for fantasy purposes.

Agree here, I dont think Barkley is bullet proof either. The giants are a bad offense based on what we know. The closest player to bullet proof in 2019 is Deandre Hopkins.

[yuja]

Agree here, I dont think Barkley is bullet proof either. The giants are a bad offense based on what we know. The closest player to bullet proof in 2019 is Deandre Hopkins.

jinxed it

cue injury to "bulletproof" player in......

[Tyler2106]

What are people's thoughts on LeSean McCoy this season? Pretty bad season last year. They brought in Frank Gore and their rookie Singletary is getting a little attention as being someone who could potentially take over for McCoy. I've even seen some people speculate that they could trade McCoy midseason if Singletary is doing well.

I still think McCoy has enough left in the tank to have a productive season, but he's falling in draft boards and no one is really expecting much from him who is #1 on their depth chart.

inb4 he's on the wrong side of 30 argument.

[Murph0408]

What are people's thoughts on LeSean McCoy this season? Pretty bad season last year. They brought in Frank Gore and their rookie Singletary is getting a little attention as being someone who could potentially take over for McCoy. I've even seen some people speculate that they could trade McCoy midseason if Singletary is doing well.

I still think McCoy has enough left in the tank to have a productive season, but he's falling in draft boards and no one is really expecting much from him who is #1 on their depth chart.

inb4 he's on the wrong side of 30 argument.

he costs nothing at the moment relatively speaking so take the flier. why not right. maybe he gets traded to houston or something.

he looked good last week in preseason for whatever that's worth. gore did too.

[Jayarbie]

What are people's thoughts on LeSean McCoy this season? Pretty bad season last year. They brought in Frank Gore and their rookie Singletary is getting a little attention as being someone who could potentially take over for McCoy. I've even seen some people speculate that they could trade McCoy midseason if Singletary is doing well.

I still think McCoy has enough left in the tank to have a productive season, but he's falling in draft boards and no one is really expecting much from him who is #1 on their depth chart.

inb4 he's on the wrong side of 30 argument.

I wouldn't want to go into the season with him as a starter in a 10 or 12 league, but if he falls far enough that you can take him as a bench stash, it's not a bad move. If he gets traded somewhere during the season, he may end up being even better than staying with the Bills.

[Tyler2106]

Is Josh Allen going to be any good so the Bills aren't so one dimensional?

[Tyler2106]

I'm reading a lot of upside to DJ Moore and Curtis Samuel. I'm wary about Newton to make these two WR1 and sleeper picks. Where do you guys value them?

Moore is going ahead of Samuel, but the value pick seems to be in Samuel.

[thefullmonte]

I'm reading a lot of upside to DJ Moore and Curtis Samuel. I'm wary about Newton to make these two WR1 and sleeper picks. Where do you guys value them?

Moore is going ahead of Samuel, but the value pick seems to be in Samuel.

I think both are being overdrafted for the exact reason you stated

[Jayarbie]

I'm reading a lot of upside to DJ Moore and Curtis Samuel. I'm wary about Newton to make these two WR1 and sleeper picks. Where do you guys value them?

Moore is going ahead of Samuel, but the value pick seems to be in Samuel.

I like Samuel as a sleeper if he falls far enough for that reason - he's being drafted later. They are both low floor since Cam has never really sustained one startable WR much less two. There has been some hype around both, so if I were going to take a chance on one, it would be the one drafted later because I think it's unlikely that both become reliable starters but I don't think there is much greater probability for one to hit over the other either.

[thefullmonte]

Keepers locked last night. 3 elite players made it back to waiver pool. I have 4th pick. FML

Looking for some feedback here. Top players in the re-draft...OBJ, Mike Evans and JuJu. So obviously hoping that someone goes crazy and takes a leap on a young RB. But in the event they go 1-2-3....I’m looking at the players below with the first pick (PPR League)

Who are you taking?

K Allen. (Is he true WR1? Seems a big step below the other three. Injuries?)
Kittle. (Can he repeat? And worth spending early pick on TE?)
D Freeman. (Ol reliable. No Coleman. Will be untradeable in our Keeper format)
J Jacobs. (Love his talent. Hate the Raiders)
A Jones. (Gonna get the workload? Or RBBC in GB?)
M Gordon. (Only if he signs in next 3 days)

[HayZues Christi]

Looking for some feedback here. Top players in the re-draft...OBJ, Mike Evans and JuJu. So obviously hoping that someone goes crazy and takes a leap on a young RB. But in the event they go 1-2-3....I’m looking at the players below with the first pick (PPR League)

Who are you taking?

K Allen. (Is he true WR1? Seems a big step below the other three. Injuries?)
Kittle. (Can he repeat? And worth spending early pick on TE?)
D Freeman. (Ol reliable. No Coleman. Will be untradeable in our Keeper format)
J Jacobs. (Love his talent. Hate the Raiders)
A Jones. (Gonna get the workload? Or RBBC in GB?)
M Gordon. (Only if he signs in next 3 days)

Can you trade the #4 and something for a top 3?