★Early bird fantasy football discussion 2019★

[bullybreed]

Dynasty question.

Give: Hopkins
Get: DJ + 2020 2nd round pick

I feel like I'm losing that trade and the 2020 2nd round pick doesn't make up for it. Thoughts? Remember, it's a dynasty league...which doesn't really matter since they're the same age...

Don't let Fiziks screw you out of Hopkins


:-)

[Jayarbie]

Dynasty question.

Give: Hopkins
Get: DJ + 2020 2nd round pick

I feel like I'm losing that trade and the 2020 2nd round pick doesn't make up for it. Thoughts? Remember, it's a dynasty league...which doesn't really matter since they're the same age...

The same age is definitely an issue since WR careers are generally longer than RB careers.

[Fiz-iks]

Dynasty question.

Give: Hopkins
Get: DJ + 2020 2nd round pick

I feel like I'm losing that trade and the 2020 2nd round pick doesn't make up for it. Thoughts? Remember, it's a dynasty league...which doesn't really matter since they're the same age...

weak sauce brah

[Tyler2106]

weak sauce brah

Why? Cause you were taking advantage of me and hoping I wouldn't find out?

[Fiz-iks]

Why? Cause you were taking advantage of me and hoping I wouldn't find out?

First of all, you are an experienced fantasy player - I don't think you can be "taken advantage of" and I wasn't attempting to. It's weak because a) this thread has people in the league who have a vested interest in the outcome of any trades, and b) we were in the process of negotiating a trade and this derails that process by inviting outside opinions who are looking at the trade in a vacuum and not taking roster construction into consideration.

As I said to you in the PM on sleeper, I'm not going to bargain against myself. I sent an offer to get the ball rolling, I'm not obligated to send my best offer. That being said, I don't think the value is that far off. It depends upon what hopes you have for your team this year. DJ could very well outscore Hopkins this season (and vice versa) he is a top 5 RB by draft position and will be an RB1 barring injury. It's a decision that you need to make for your own fantasy team, just as I was doing for mine.

[HayZues Christi]

Why? Cause you were taking advantage of me and hoping I wouldn't find out?

Lmao @ being so insecure in your own ability to evaluate value.

[weightsb4dates]

First of all, you are an experienced fantasy player - I don't think you can be "taken advantage of" and I wasn't attempting to. It's weak because a) this thread has people in the league who have a vested interest in the outcome of any trades, and b) we were in the process of negotiating a trade and this derails that process by inviting outside opinions who are looking at the trade in a vacuum and not taking roster construction into consideration.

As I said to you in the PM on sleeper, I'm not going to bargain against myself. I sent an offer to get the ball rolling, I'm not obligated to send my best offer. That being said, I don't think the value is that far off. It depends upon what hopes you have for your team this year. DJ could very well outscore Hopkins this season (and vice versa) he is a top 5 RB by draft position and will be an RB1 barring injury. It's a decision that you need to make for your own fantasy team, just as I was doing for mine.

Man I remember when I brought this exact point up in regards to not helping you when you asked for trade advice and you got shook about it.

With that said tho, Fiz-iks does have a point about roster construction and team structure. Here is what I think (bear in mind I am not an expert, and I have only been playing dynasty for 2 years)

@tyler2106 Hopkins is the consensus 1.01 in dynasty start ups. Do with that info what you will.

Seeing as how the league is a dynasty tho you need to look at whether or not you have a chance to win this year (or in the next year or two) or not. if the rest of your team is strong and you think you can pull it off, then sure hang on to him. If the rest of the team is has-been's, or up and comers, then you may look at building for the future and turning Hopkins into some high future draft capital.

regardless of whether you want to keep Hopkins or not, DJ for Hopkins is not a trade I personally would entertain, as I dont see DJ helping much more than Hopkins will now, or at all in the future seeing as how DJ is 28, and RB cliff is typically at 30yo, plus hes on a bad team and has handled ALOT of work.

fwiw playing in a league with you two ever again, no thanks. You take this way too serious.

[dhawkeye1980]

Why? Cause you were taking advantage of me and hoping I wouldn't find out?

If youve been playing this long and you get trade raped thats your own fault

[Fiz-iks]

Man I remember when I brought this exact point up in regards to not helping you when you asked for trade advice and you got shook about it.

With that said tho, Fiz-iks does have a point about roster construction and team structure. Here is what I think (bear in mind I am not an expert, and I have only been playing dynasty for 2 years)

@tyler2106 Hopkins is the consensus 1.01 in dynasty start ups. Do with that info what you will.

Seeing as how the league is a dynasty tho you need to look at whether or not you have a chance to win this year (or in the next year or two) or not. if the rest of your team is strong and you think you can pull it off, then sure hang on to him. If the rest of the team is has-been's, or up and comers, then you may look at building for the future and turning Hopkins into some high future draft capital.

regardless of whether you want to keep Hopkins or not, DJ for Hopkins is not a trade I personally would entertain, as I dont see DJ helping much more than Hopkins will now, or at all in the future seeing as how DJ is 28, and RB cliff is typically at 30yo, plus hes on a bad team and has handled ALOT of work.

fwiw playing in a league with you two ever again, no thanks. You take this way too serious.

Brah, that was a completely different situation. I was asking if it made sense for me to propose a trade for a specific player based on team needs and it was being used by myself as a negotiating tactic. You then accused me of collusion, which it definitely wasn't, which is the part that I took an issue with. Of course, you'll understand that accusing someone of collusion is a serious allegation to make in fantasy leagues (especially online leagues like the misc). I didn't accuse Tyler of collusion and I don't think he is colluding by posting the trade proposal in here. It's not a big deal to me that he did post the proposal, but my main point still stands that I'm not going keep sending offers to him and then have them posted on the misc for everyone to evaluate (aka bargaining against myself).

[Blasting]

Just realized how low Pettis is going. He has tremendous upside. Valued at $4? I’d rather have him than DJ Moore or Sammy Watkins by a lot.

[yuja]

I don't think there's anything wrong with Tyler asking for trade advice in a fantasy football discussion thread

not everyone ITT is in your league (Jay who responded probably? isn't) and it's nice to have an outsiders perspective or someone in a different dynasty league that's run on longer - since I believe your dynasty is only in its second season

DJ for DHop is a pretty even trade in redrafts but yeah in a dynasty league Hopkins is going to outlast DJ by a good amount of years over the course of the dynasty

not a completely unfair baseline though, unlike some trades Tyler will send

[rise21]

It looks like the hate on Gurley is wearing off. His ADP is now back in the first round (1.12). Barring some negative reports about his health, I imagine his ADP creeps up to the mid-first by September.

Interesting. I did a mock-auction draft yesterday and he was less than Dalvin Cook and Marlon Mack.

[Fiz-iks]

Just realized how low Pettis is going. He has tremendous upside. Valued at $4? I’d rather have him than DJ Moore or Sammy Watkins by a lot.

It seems like the hype is building as people get back into drafting. I don't think auction values are very consistent from draft to draft, but in snake drafts his adp has risen from 7.06 to 6.09 over the last month. If you look back towards the end of June his adp was in the 8th round.

[bullybreed]

Still need one more for this league ran by Yuja -

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...hp?t=177350511

Yahoo
12 man
.5 PPR
Draft date TBD
Draft order can be predetermined as soon as everyone has paid
$30 Buy-in. Payments handled through Yahoo
Money due 1 week before the draft
Commish veto
Continuous rolling waiver system
6 team playoff, no divisions, weeks 14/15/16

AUCTION DRAFT. 1 minute time setting thingy $200 budget


Payouts:
• First = $200
• Second = $100
• Regular Season Winner= $60 (Tie breaker - points scored, h2h record, highest point differential)

Roster
QB,RB, RB,WR,WR, RB/WR/TE (Flex), TE, K, D, 6 Bench, IR

Scoring: Standard aside from .5 PPR and 0-19 FG worth 2 instead of 3

[yuja]

Still need one more for this league ran by Yuja -

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we're full again, someone pmed me and joined earlier

[Tyler2106]

Ya'll are haters.

Fiziks, sorry if it bothered you I posted in here. I was joking about the trade rape comment. I wanted to get some outsider advice on this trade. I won't pretend to know everything, especially about Dynasty stuff, which is why I wanted to ask others. I'm still open to the trade, we just have to get a little more creative with the offer.

And for those concerned about posting questions here with other people in the league, I understand they are and take their advice with a grain of salt.

Let's all be friends and have civilized FF talk

[bullybreed]

Ya'll are haters.

Fiziks, sorry if it bothered you I posted in here. I was joking about the trade rape comment. I wanted to get some outsider advice on this trade. I won't pretend to know everything, especially about Dynasty stuff, which is why I wanted to ask others. I'm still open to the trade, we just have to get a little more creative with the offer.

And for those concerned about posting questions here with other people in the league, I understand they are and take their advice with a grain of salt.

Let's all be friends and have civilized FF talk

You've changed

[Tyler2106]

You've changed

I'm trying to be a better human being

[Fiz-iks]

Ya'll are haters.

Fiziks, sorry if it bothered you I posted in here. I was joking about the trade rape comment. I wanted to get some outsider advice on this trade. I won't pretend to know everything, especially about Dynasty stuff, which is why I wanted to ask others. I'm still open to the trade, we just have to get a little more creative with the offer.

And for those concerned about posting questions here with other people in the league, I understand they are and take their advice with a grain of salt.

Let's all be friends and have civilized FF talk

No worries brah, I don't hold it against you.

[dhawkeye1980]

You've changed

Hes been eating too much ice cream, never sample your own product tyler come on man

[Jayarbie]

I don't think there's anything wrong with Tyler asking for trade advice in a fantasy football discussion thread

not everyone ITT is in your league (Jay who responded probably? isn't) and it's nice to have an outsiders perspective or someone in a different dynasty league that's run on longer - since I believe your dynasty is only in its second season

DJ for DHop is a pretty even trade in redrafts but yeah in a dynasty league Hopkins is going to outlast DJ by a good amount of years over the course of the dynasty

not a completely unfair baseline though, unlike some trades Tyler will send

Correct, I am not in their league. Therefore, my opinion should be held in higher regard than others. LOL.

[dhawkeye1980]

AB with extreme frostbite on his feet from not wearing protection during cryotherapy. No time table on his return

Ruhroh

[Jayarbie]

AB with extreme frostbite on his feet from not wearing protection during cryotherapy. No time table on his return

Ruhroh

He's supposed to be back by week 1, but this is just one more thing with him. I don't know what happened to him. He was always a pretty stable, hard working family guy who never a disruption until 3/4 of the way into last year when he just went completely mental.

[dhawkeye1980]

He's supposed to be back by week 1, but this is just one more thing with him. I don't know what happened to him. He was always a pretty stable, hard working family guy who never a disruption until 3/4 of the way into last year when he just went completely mental.

Huge risk at his current ADP esp being on a new team

[JUGGERNAUT1333]

He's supposed to be back by week 1, but this is just one more thing with him. I don't know what happened to him. He was always a pretty stable, hard working family guy who never a disruption until 3/4 of the way into last year when he just went completely mental.

I was wondering this too. Dude always kept his head down and worked. Then he completely lost his chit.

[Jayarbie]

Huge risk at his current ADP esp being on a new team

I haven't looked at what his ADP is, but there is no way I'm drafting him in the first 4 rounds. There is clearly a huge bust risk with him this year.

[bullybreed]

Duke Johnson to the Texans.

[yuja]

Duke Johnson to the Texans.

Chubb looking joocy

not sure how much work DJJ will carve out in Houston. Lamar a DND now

[Jayarbie]

Here's a pretty thorough analysis of the Zeke/Gordon potential holdouts.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...s-leveon-bells

[Jayarbie]

Chubb looking joocy

not sure how much work DJJ will carve out in Houston. Lamar a DND now

I wouldn't get too hyped on Chubb with Hunt coming back for the 2nd half of the season and fantasy playoffs.