Does White Nationalism = White Supremacy?

[umop3pisdn]

Pls enlighten me on this issue.

[Dirtylocks]

In for answers.

EDIT: no hijack, but if anyone can add the bonus answer addressing whether ethnostates are inherently racists, that would also be great.

[dusky99]

It's pretty stupid to think that there's any common identity among "whites". It's more of an American thing. White nationalists however desire to create an ethnostate in which citizenship is restricted to so-called white people only.

[superman704]

No, there's a major difference, being WN simply means you believe in the 14 words

[CaliSuperSport]

Tempted to say no, otherwise MSM will call white guys with flag t-shirts Nazis.

Even though they kinda already do.

[dusky99]

In order to defeat WN there needs to be MORE mixing. I want to see more white blonde women giving birth to black babies.

[A-GAME]

No.

[superman704]

I'm not racist, but it breaks my heart to see the white race dying, srs

[401Delta]

I want to see more white blonde women giving birth to black babies.

^^ Confirmed cuck.

[QuitYourCrying]

Obviously not.

Whites are barely 15% of the world's population and dropping fast. Why should they be the only people on the planet without their own nations and without self-determination? You are a genocidal maniac if your position is that all whites should be governed and ruled over by non-whites, even in their own homelands.

It's going to happen one way or the other within our lifetime. Better that it happen relatively peacefully.

[Mmjk1500]

It's going to happen one way or the other within our lifetime. Better that it happen relatively peacefully.

Nah doubt it will happen and the 15% number includes China and India. Barring a successful Chinese/Indian invasion of NA and Europe white people are fine.

The US had a lot of liberal, new age people in charge during the last administration and the whole white extinction narrative got pushed pretty heavily.

[QuitYourCrying]

Nah doubt it will happen and the 15% number includes China and India. Barring a successful Chinese/Indian invasion of NA and Europe white people are fine.

I meant white nationalism is happening one way or the other. And both North America and Europe *are* being invaded (via mass migration), and have been for the past 40 years.

Whites are on pace to become an ethnic minority in Canada by 2036 (and probably much sooner as the current government has drastically increased non-white immigration). Canada was over 95% white for it's entire history. Now whites are on the verge of becoming an ethnic minority within 15 years (probably much sooner). When I was born, the country was roughly 85% white. Today, I am the only white person just about everywhere I go.

Similarly, whites are scheduled to become ethnic minorities in the USA by 2045 (within 25 years). Like Canada, the US had been over 90% white for it's entire history and as recently as the 1970s. This will also likely happen much sooner than 2045 as the white mortality rate has surged past all over ethnic groups due to white suicides and drug overdoses.

The most common baby name in the UK is "Mohammad". London has been lost forever. It no longer belongs to the English. Same happening in Sweden due to mass Muslim migration, where white Swedes will be ethnic minorities in their own nation within 40 years. This is happening in virtually every white nation, with a few exceptions such a Hungary and Poland.

The US had a lot of liberal, new age people in charge during the last administration and the whole white extinction narrative got pushed pretty heavily.

It's not a narrative. It's reality. Demographic trends are very clear. It can only get pushed so far before things get very violent.

[bassline8]

Can't stand snobby white people. My favorite porn company is Blacked, though I'm white myself. The good thing is that when the US is fully mixed we won't have to hear about any of this race bs because no one will be "pure" anymore lmao.

brb diversity is our greatest strength
brb everything will be better when we are one big beige mongrel race

As for the OP, no.

Literally the first sentence from wikipedia:

White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them.

White supremacy = benefit from ruling over a minority underclass in a White-run/-controlled society

White nationalism aka the Alt-Right = leave us alone so we can live among our own

[dusky99]

White supremacy = benefit from ruling over a minority underclass in a White-run/-controlled society

White nationalism aka the Alt-Right = leave us alone so we can live among our own

The funny thing is that most white nationalists aren't even close to resembling the ideal race they claim is superior, and therefore would not be permitted to live in a white nationalist country. Lmao @ the British genetics of all these "white nationalists".

Fantasy:



Reality:

[wake_me]

When people say they want white supremacists labelled as a terrorist organisation , what group of white supremacists are they talking about?

[bassline8]

The funny thing is that most white nationalists aren't even close to resembling the ideal race they claim is superior, and therefore would not be permitted to live in a white nationalist country. Lmao @ the British genetics of all these "white nationalists".

Not sure if trolling or retarded, this is my last response to you either way.

White nationalism is about being white, not being "ideal" or "supreme". Almost every Alt-righter admits East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews have higher IQ's. Almost every Alt-righter also does not want to be ethnically replaced by high-IQ East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews. That's why it's called "White nationalism" and not "IQ nationalism".

I wish everyone well in their own countries, but this multicultural "experiment" where we're supposed to endlessly accommodate everyone in our countries until we're minorities ourselves just isn't working out well for white people.

They are loyal to their ethnic groups first, the country comes last (if any).

They, at best, are indifferent towards us, and outright hostile and violent at worst.

They have their own homelands, I want to keep mine.

Diversity:

What you're told it is



What it actually is

[hoganrulz]

The idea isn't bad. Its how its put in to action that's bad. We're in 2019 now where equality of man is the rule of law. You can't deport, kill or sterilize citizens if they're citizens & not white.

You can cap welfare & make a law that says if you're not white & youre a refugee/asylum seeker you must be sterilized as a trade off with decisions being made on already existing children made later upon testing.

As far as I know there is no ethnostate on the planet. There are countries touted as such where other ethnicities can, live, work, breed, live, & die in.

The middle East are not examples of ethnostates because 1) no one wants to live there anyway.
2) ethnicities other than the prevailing ethnicities do live there to work for foreign based companies.

[fezjones]

Not really. Many white nationalists are working class types who have a down to earth lifestyle and would be content if majority white nations never became imperial again.

[andy0w]

Pls enlighten me on this issue.

It's basically about people with a small penis who can't use what they got.

They are unsure about themselves and need to project their insecurities towards people easily identified by different appearance.

Nationalism is ok if your country is occupied by a foreign government. Like the Boxer rebellion in China against German, British, French, American occupation.

[fezjones]

It's basically about people with a small penis who can't use what they got.

They are unsure about themselves and need to project their insecurities towards people easily identified by different appearance.

Nationalism is ok if your country is occupied by a foreign government. Like the Boxer rebellion in China against German, British, French, American occupation.

Wierd, I don't think immigrants look any different than native folk. Are you sure you aren't strangely fixated on peoples skin color and hair texture.

[BetaAsPhuck]

No.

Edit: I'll elaborate...

This may be unexpected... But I don't have a problem with White/Ethno Nationalists for simply being White/Ethno-Nationalists, there are White/Ethno Nationalists who I would genuinely defend against people who accuse them of being racists or dangerous (eg. The Golden One on youtube.)

There are popular White Nationalists who have called for the forced deportation of all non whites from their country, like British Alt Righter Millenial Woes.

In-group racial or ethnic preference doesn't have to equal out-group racial or ethnic hatred or in-group Supremacism, however time and time again I come across race or ethno nationalists who are race or ethno supremacists and/or abusive towards people who aren't their race or ethnicity. I've seen it time and time again, the mask usually slips.

Here's an example:

Most Alt Righters and White Nationalists were livid when Prince Harry declared that he was engaged Megan Markle. They said retarded things like "The British public will recognize that he doesn't represent them, and will turn their back on him." (That came from a well known British Alt Righter), the worse elements or the Alt Right and White Nationalism called him a 'race traitor'.

The Golden One's response (paraphrasing): "I would prefer that people marry within their ethnicity, but they seem like they are good together, and are in love. So I wish them well."

White/Ethno-nationalists that I'm cool with genuinely have a benevolent desire for all people, even 'race mixers' (honestly, Oswald Mosley fall into that camp, despite the Christchurch shooter's admiration for his political philosophy). White/Ethno-Nationalists that I'm not cool with try to encourage race/ethnic in-group preference via out-group hatred, or alarmism about "genocide". Fear and Hatred are the usual conversion tactics.

Basically, to answer your question.

I have a problem with any form of Identitarianism or Nationalism if it's based in hatred, fear or supremacism. I genuinely have no problem with a country seeking to preserve it's ethnic heritage (though I am against laws against interracial or interethnic marriage or children).

For example: I'm interested in moving to Thailand one day. They have laws like a Thai Citizen must own 51% of a business - they do that to discourage foreigners owning capital and natural capital in their country. They also have laws stating that jobs that can be done by Thai Citizens must be given to Thai Citizens, only jobs which has criteria that can't be met by the domestic workforce is open to foreign employment. (They also have no laws against interracial or interethnic marriage or children.

I don't think there is anything wrong with those laws. I support Economic Nationalism for every country. If I went to Thailand, I would teach English because I know it's of value to the country, and they need native speakers for them to learn the language properly.




I hope that answers the question.

I'm against Jewish Supremacism and Jewish Nepotism, and I believe they exist.

That is not he same as saying that I believe that "Jews run the world" or "Jews are trying to destroy the white race" or "Jews want to destroy western civilization" Because I believe that all of those notions are nonsense.

I'm also against Black Supremacism (eg. the Israelites), but don't think that anyone takes them seriously. LOL @ them paying hot white women to kiss their shoes in public though.

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[andy0w]

Wierd, I don't think immigrants look any different than native folk. Are you sure you aren't strangely fixated on peoples skin color and hair texture.

Check the OP - white nationalism, white supremacy

[BetaAsPhuck]

Same happening in Sweden due to mass Muslim migration, where white Swedes will be ethnic minorities in their own nation within 40 years. This is happening in virtually every white nation, with a few exceptions such a Hungary and Poland.

That's not true, that's White Nationalist propaganda. This video debunks the White Nationalist claims that whites are going to be replaced in Europe by 2045...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbxVfSqtt8

[dusky99]

Personally I think it's a great thing the future Europeans will be a bit darker. Less superiority complex based on skin color and also way lower rate of skin cancer! Every ginger in Europe should be thankful that their descendants are gonna have some African DNA in them to protect them from the sun. Plus many European women need the bbc in order to feel fulfilled sexually, it's just the truth.

[YesiEvenLiftBro]

Pls enlighten me on this issue.

They are not the same.

The distinction is made between one wanting a white ethnostate and the other thinks that the white people are superior to others due to ethnicity. Wanting a white country and thinking that everyone who isn't white are inferior to you are two different things however they are not mutually exclusive.

[spatchcock]

That's not true, that's White Nationalist propaganda. This video debunks the White Nationalist claims that whites are going to be replaced in Europe by 2045...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbxVfSqtt8

cliffs of 30 minute vid by a 140lb numale = some non-whites identify as white too, so the numbers arent all that bad

lol

[BetaAsPhuck]

cliffs of 30 minute vid by a 140lb numale = some non-whites identify as white too, so the numbers arent all that bad

Nothing like that in the video.

Yours is a very common response whenever this video is posted, people don't watch the video in full or just skim it, and post things that aren't in the video or bring up objections that are addressed after the 10 minute mark.

[z4v4]

They are not the same.

The distinction is made between one wanting a white ethnostate and the other thinks that the white people are superior to others due to ethnicity. Wanting a white country and thinking that everyone who isn't white are inferior to you are two different things however they are not mutually exclusive.

So white nationalists want a white country not because whites are superior but because ________ ?

[spatchcock]

Nothing like that in the video.

Yours is a very common response whenever this video is posted, people don't watch the video in full or just skim it, and post things that aren't in the video or bring up objections that are addressed after the 10 minute mark.

Womp womp

[Sakeoe]

Theoretically no.

But white nationalism is a dumb thing anyway invented by Americans with all kind of different mixed lineages desperate to somehow form a cohesive American nation even though they are not. Just cause you are white doesn't mean you belong to some sort of encompassing nation that involves all whites. An Italian isn't French, and a French isn't German and so on. And an American most certainly does not belong to any European nation even if a far ancestor at one point came from there (Exceptions are of course those who kept close to their original culture and only married people from that culture, like Volksdeutsche in America in the first part of the last century).