ThermoLife files a lawsuit against Compound Solutions and Vaso6

[fahdalsheheata]

Thermolife is suing everyone.

[LoudyRowdy]

Hope BPI win theirs against Thermo

[DASBUNKER]

so what are the details?....

edit nevermind found the link

[Madevilz]

Thermolife is suing everyone.

Well for once I hope they win if this is true that Compound Solution has been selling just normal Green Tea.

[VaughnTrue]

Well for once I hope they win if this is true that Compound Solution has been selling just normal Green Tea.

At this point I hope it's true just so I can laugh at everyone on here

[kissdadookie]

Not that anybody is going to bother pulling up my posts questioning Vaso6 from when it was first announced for Reign, but I called this chit back then. I was way more generous though than TL's allegations. Cliff notes: I posed the question if Vaso6 is just a fancy name for green tea catechins and pointed out that the data they referenced appeared to be from data on (-)epicatechin and other catechins usually found in green tea/green tea extract. They (OL) claimed that this was new, different, and that they were trying to patent it at the time. On Compound Solution's site it states that it is patented, if anybody has the patent number or link to the patent, that would be a fun read.

It does not look good for Vaso6 though especially considering apparently from the lab results TL got back for the raw, it doesn't contain any of the things they claim it contains. Called it. A year+ ago.

[VaughnTrue]

Not that anybody is going to bother pulling up my posts questioning Vaso6 from when it was first announced for Reign, but I called this chit back then. I was way more generous though than TL's allegations. Cliff notes: I posed the question if Vaso6 is just a fancy name for green tea catechins and pointed out that the data they referenced appeared to be from data on (-)epicatechin and other catechins usually found in green tea/green tea extract. They (OL) claimed that this was new, different, and that they were trying to patent it at the time. On Compound Solution's site it states that it is patented, if anybody has the patent number or link to the patent, that would be a fun read.

It does not look good for Vaso6 though especially considering apparently from the lab results TL got back for the raw, it doesn't contain any of the things they claim it contains. Called it. A year+ ago.

US Patent No 6,706,756B1 is whats listed in the lawsuit

[kissdadookie]

US Patent No 6,706,756B1 is whats listed in the lawsuit

Looking over that, I sort of remember reading it or perhaps reading copy pasta from OL where they copy pasta'd from that patent? Because it sounds familiar but at the time I more or less wrote it off as a (-)epicatechin use patent rather than a specific patent on the ingredient Vaso6 for which I alluded to it being a case where they took data for a specific popularly used ingredient and brought out a generic raw source for that ingredient and slapped a fancy sounding name on it. Based on the TL allegations, it appears to be worse than that even because apparently the stuff doesn't even contain the actives the patent is covering. LoL. So I was definitely generous with my assessment (as in I gave a lot of benefit of the doubt then) back when OL first introduced the ingredient in Reign.

Additional thoughts (thus the edit): So it would appear that the patent is held under Phoinix Holdings which looks to be a holding company that more or less goes around hoovering up random patents. It would appear that someone there had the clever idea for charging a premium on what should be generic green tea extract by linking it to a patent they held (the one Vaughn referenced) and very loosely at that and then slapping a fancy name on it which they then basically sold as if it was some brand new ingredient. Essentially this appears to be a ploy to charge a ridiculous premium for what is essentially a non-proprietary generic raw ingredient which is what the TL allegations and lawsuit appears to be stating as well.

[LoudyRowdy]

At this point I hope it's true just so I can laugh at everyone on here

#metoo

[Vinny82]

I tried SNS vaso6 about a year ago, didn't even finish the bottle, didn't seem to do anything.

[fahdalsheheata]

Damn this will suck for me if true. I guess all that pump i felt was because of citrulline lol

[ILPump]

Thermo keeping them court houses busy.

[kissdadookie]

Damn this will suck for me if true. I guess all that pump i felt was because of citrulline lol

That’s the problem though right? You throw in some fancy sounding ingredient, pimp it hard, it’s in a blend of other chit, very easy to bamboozle your customers into thinking it’s the fancy sounding ingredient that is doing the work. Then you have SNS caving to demand and wanting to make some $$$ so they release the fancy sounding ingredient as a single ingredient product. Get everybody on the placebo train and then sometimes things like this gets exposed in a big way and you end up with people like myself going LoL and others wanting to stay on the train going “works for me! Different strokes for different folks!”

[Madevilz]

Strong generic response from Compound Solutions
https://www.stack3d.com/2019/03/comp...-response.html

lol at Dedidacted who are about to release their pump product with 1g of Vaso6 per serving.

[blokpost]

Unfortunately, haven't tried vaso6 solely.
Most supps, which I used with vaso6 in it already contained ~6g l-citrulline or some other good old working stuff, and pumps were great.
Guess, apart from citrulline, glycerol and nitrates, there are no workings ingredients.
BTW where did the citrulline silicate train disappear?

[eatyourspinach]

Unfortunately, haven't tried vaso6 solely.
Most supps, which I used with vaso6 in it already contained ~6g l-citrulline or some other good old working stuff, and pumps were great.
Guess, apart from citrulline, glycerol and nitrates, there are no workings ingredients.
BTW where did the citrulline silicate train disappear?

Anecdotally I can say Nitrosigine and Agmatine helps with pumps (taken without citrulline) but that's for another thread.

[blokpost]

Anecdotally I can say Nitrosigine and Agmatine helps with pumps (taken without citrulline) but that's for another thread.

Not 100% sure about agmatine, but nitrosigine works for me.

[Madevilz]

Not 100% sure about agmatine, but nitrosigine works for me.

Agmatine, even at 2g, doesn't do much for me for pumps. But there are other benefits to it.
Nitro, never used it solo, so can't be sure as well.

[fahdalsheheata]

Not 100% sure about agmatine, but nitrosigine works for me.

Yeah me too. I've taken agmatine as stand alone. I didn't feel anything

[OT2000]

Agmatine is great as an carb enhancement or a tag along with l-citrulline or other vasodilators.

[DinoT1985]

Strong generic response from Compound Solutions
https://www.stack3d.com/2019/03/comp...-response.html

lol at Dedidacted who are about to release their pump product with 1g of Vaso6 per serving.

Both CS and TL ingredients in one lol

[KimJong-il]

I like Green Tea

Want pumps? Licensed Nitrates FTW