Lebron James will never be a top 5 all time player.

[Sikhveins]

LOL at these nonsense invented stat categories.

Oh LeBron's regular season GOAT?

Sounds like a tallest midget trophy.

It's a nice way of saying he's the best loser to ever play basketball.

But I guess if we're looking for reasons to celebrate players then LeBron's career participation trophy does matter.

Where did he touch u

[MBisonSon]

I had the privilege of watching two actual GOAT leaders.

Not easily impressed by empty stats that aren't backed up by winning.

It's a myth LeBron was the best, unless it was a small stretch.

Kobe and Duncan were crapping on him, after their run Durant took over.

All of them coincidentally have winning finals records.

When you're the real deal you make it happen, when you're a fugazi you make excuses.

[lsiberian]

Not going to lie it was a troll.

But don't think for a second I'm not going to notice you left out Tim Duncan's name from your reply.

Tim Duncan top 5 over or under Lebron James?

I got Lebron 2nd behind only Jordan one spot ahead of Duncan


Jordan
Lebron
Duncan
Kareem
Magic
Wilt
Shaq
Kobe
Russell
Erving

[Jaydawg08]

I got Lebron 2nd behind only Jordan one spot ahead of Duncan


Jordan
Lebron
Duncan
Kareem
Magic
Wilt
Shaq
Kobe
Russell
Erving

Interesting.. I go --

1) Jordan
2a) Kareem
2b) Lebron
4) Magic
5) Wilt
6) Shaq
7) Duncan
8) Kobe
9) Bird
10) Russell

[10w30]

I had the privilege of watching two actual GOAT leaders.

Not easily impressed by empty stats that aren't backed up by winning.

It's a myth LeBron was the best, unless it was a small stretch.

Kobe and Duncan were crapping on him, after their run Durant took over.

All of them coincidentally have winning finals records.

When you're the real deal you make it happen, when you're a fugazi you make excuses.

Kevin Durant is possibly going to be the number #1 goat NBA player of all time if he plays a full 20 year career.

The thing with Durant and the Warriors is whenever he's having an off day Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Andre Iguodala, Kevon Looney, or DeMarcus Cousins pick up any or all of the slack to win. And if you really want to go there the Warriors bench players could even be used as a starting line up to win in the west.

The Warriors are that good and don't have to force wins making Kevin Durant's job comfortable and relaxed with no pressure.

Let Durant get on a team where it's all him with supporting players and see if he can do the same thing like he's doing with the Warriors.

I think only then can the decision be made if Durant is a Goat #1 or top 1 through 10.

[TaeBoNinja]

I got Lebron 2nd behind only Jordan one spot ahead of Duncan


Jordan
Lebron
Duncan
Kareem
Magic
Wilt
Shaq
Kobe
Russell
Erving

MJ
Kobe
Kareem
Magic
Russell
Duncan
Shaq
Wilt
Lebron
Bird

[TaeBoNinja]

Lebron was goat when he was on the Heat.

You mean like in 2011?

[RiceBrah93]

Guy only has 3 rings. And has 6 finals losses. Some of them brutal meltdowns, others sweeps, others giving up on his team.

The only reason anyone has him in the top 5 when taking the above into account is because the sports media makes a lot more money if they have someone they can hype up as chasing the GOATs.

Once he's retired and an entire industry isn't cashing out on this narrative he will be ranked properly.

Very true. I mean you got guys in other sports like Federer and Messi who will be crowned as GOATs when all is said and done but the same can't be said for LeBron

[10w30]

You mean like in 2011?

Yes, especially in 2011 when Lebron received a GOAT ass whipping by Dirk and the Mavericks.

lmao.

[Sal29]

I got Lebron 2nd behind only Jordan one spot ahead of Duncan


Jordan
Lebron
Duncan
Kareem
Magic
Wilt
Shaq
Kobe
Russell
Erving

Wrong, you can't ignore things like Supporting cast and competing teams. Iverson is hugely underrated for instance and is easily top 15.
His low field goal percentage is also effected by his horrible supporting cast.
For instance, if Iverson played with Duncan his whole career, he'd average 30 ppg on 48% shooting and have at least 6 rings and would be in the goat conversation.
Barkley is another great example.
The best teammate he had in his prime years was Andrew Toney.

One simply cannot ignore that Kobe and Shaq BOTH won 2 ABSOLUTELY RIGGED series each.
Shaq 's 2002 and 2006 rings are questionable and the 4th quarter in the 2010 NBA Finals was ABSOLUTELY UNQUESTIONABLY RIGGED.
Dirk has 2 rings as far as I'm concerned and Shaq only has 2 unquestionable rings and Kobe has 3 unquestionable rings.
People can say that Duncan should have lost to Phoenix that one year, but with 4 legit rings and looking at his supporting cast vs Kobe and Shaq's, he's still better than both especially considering that that horrible Ginobili call and Ray Allen misses that 3 pointer 8 out of 10 times in a pressure situation like that.
Duncan could easily have had 6 rings.

The real top 10.

Kareem
Jordan
Wilt
Russell
Magic
Bird
Olajuwon
Duncan
Dirk
Oscar Robertson

[ismelljelly]

Probably #1 for physical gifts but like #350 for mental toughness so yeah, this season proves he should’ve stayed in the least

#1 for wineaholism

[ismelljelly]

Kevin Durant is possibly going to be the number #1 goat NBA player of all time if he plays a full 20 year career.

The thing with Durant and the Warriors is whenever he's having an off day Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Andre Iguodala, Kevon Looney, or DeMarcus Cousins pick up any or all of the slack to win. And if you really want to go there the Warriors bench players could even be used as a starting line up to win in the west.

The Warriors are that good and don't have to force wins making Kevin Durant's job comfortable and relaxed with no pressure.

Let Durant get on a team where it's all him with supporting players and see if he can do the same thing like he's doing with the Warriors.

I think only then can the decision be made if Durant is a Goat #1 or top 1 through 10.

Hmmm. Durant on the Heat with Wade and Bosh and Allen? Would have swept 5 straight titles easily. That team is much better than the LeBron version and it isn’t really close

[bezarker]

[10w30]

Hmmm. Durant on the Heat with Wade and Bosh and Allen? Would have swept 5 straight titles easily. That team is much better than the LeBron version and it isn’t really close

Durant/Wade/Bosh/Allen combo would be crazy.

LeBron joked about not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, but seven championship rings with Miami.

A 2018-2019 Durant teamed up with a 2010 to 2014 Wade, Bosh, and Allen? Good possibility 5 rings straight titles. A 5 peat lol.

Durant's got a 2 peat going on with the Warriors. Probably going to be a three peat NBA champ this year. The guy is a beast, no question about it.

[WrestlingFan123]

Durant/Wade/Bosh/Allen combo would be crazy.

LeBron joked about not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, but seven championship rings with Miami.

A 2018-2019 Durant teamed up with a 2010 to 2014 Wade, Bosh, and Allen? Good possibility 5 rings straight titles. A 5 peat lol.

Durant's got a 2 peat going on with the Warriors. Probably going to be a three peat NBA champ this year. The guy is a beast, no question about it.

You think Durant would have won with Wade and Bosh averaging the below in the 2014 NBA Finals?

Wade: 15ppg/3.8rpg/2.6apg

Bosh: 14ppg//5.2rpg/1.0apg

when Durant LOST an NBA Finals with a teammate averaging:

Westbrook: 27ppg/6.4rpg/6.6apg

[10w30]

You think Durant would have won with Wade and Bosh averaging the below in the 2014 NBA Finals?

Wade: 15ppg/3.8rpg/2.6apg

Bosh: 14ppg//5.2rpg/1.0apg

when Durant LOST an NBA Finals with a teammate averaging:

Westbrook: 27ppg/6.4rpg/6.6apg

It's hard to say. Durant would've had to have played on the 2014 Miami Heat finals team with Wade and Bosh in real life, in real time to see what the outcome would've been.

Game stats become irrelevant as a game can come down to one shot and one point for a finals win.

Durant has shown to everyone that he's not scared to take that shot and make it to win. Lebron has also taken that shot multiple times and has proved he can do it also.

Both Lebron and Durant are GOATS. Anyone that says Lebron isn't a GOAT is living in denial or is just hating on him out of spite.

Durant has never come back from a 3-0 deficit in a NBA championship finals to force a game 7 and win. Lebron has, and it's something possibly no one will ever do again in NBA finals history.

[waias15]

Anyone with a basketball iq knows this, op

LeBron is a fringe top 20 guy

No shame in it

[sooby]

Wrong, you can't ignore things like Supporting cast and competing teams. Iverson is hugely underrated for instance and is easily top 15.
His low field goal percentage is also effected by his horrible supporting cast.
For instance, if Iverson played with Duncan his whole career, he'd average 30 ppg on 48% shooting and have at least 6 rings and would be in the goat conversation.
Barkley is another great example.
The best teammate he had in his prime years was Andrew Toney.

One simply cannot ignore that Kobe and Shaq BOTH won 2 ABSOLUTELY RIGGED series each.
Shaq 's 2002 and 2006 rings are questionable and the 4th quarter in the 2010 NBA Finals was ABSOLUTELY UNQUESTIONABLY RIGGED.
Dirk has 2 rings as far as I'm concerned and Shaq only has 2 unquestionable rings and Kobe has 3 unquestionable rings.
People can say that Duncan should have lost to Phoenix that one year, but with 4 legit rings and looking at his supporting cast vs Kobe and Shaq's, he's still better than both especially considering that that horrible Ginobili call and Ray Allen misses that 3 pointer 8 out of 10 times in a pressure situation like that.
Duncan could easily have had 6 rings.

The real top 10.

Kareem
Jordan
Wilt
Russell
Magic
Bird
Olajuwon
Duncan
Dirk
Oscar Robertson

I love Iverson as much as the next guy but lol at overrating him so hard. Also him having a horrible supporting cast is a huge misconception. Sure, they weren't the best offensively but defensively they covered Iverson's ass really well so he could concentrate on offense 100%. Also lol @ making huge "what if" statements based on nothing. They were literally only 3 games worse the season Iverson left. Nuggets made the conference finals when Iverson left and replaced with Chauncey.

[Belome]

Thread must be from 2011... LeBron became top 2 all time after 2016.

Feel free to keeping
on hating brahs

[ClevageGobbler]

Thread must be from 2011... LeBron became top 2 all time after 2016.

Feel free to keeping
on hating brahs

Top 2 lol
Maybe, if we're being generous, he cracks the 5-7 spot

Game aint thorough enough to be top 2 boyo. Look at all the times he's failed. And when he fails, he always fails hard. When he succeeds, he barely escapes loss, by a hair <------Lbj career in a nutshell

[tekkenbruh]

3 rings and 6 fukin losses when he actually faces any competition, not the joke that is the Eastern conference with such massive obstacles as Demar Derozan, 5'6 IT, a young Playoff P and Al Horford while stacking his team with all stars.

This is how dumb these LeCucks are. Actually buying into the ESPN hype lmao

Imagine putting this much energy to hating an athlete on a forum. You can't use login with people like that (srs)

[Cudacke]

lmao this kid really thanks BJ Armstrong and Steve Kerr for MJ's 'chips. fyi Kyrie has never PLAYED in a postseason game without LBJ.

time for your applejacks kid.

lmao this kid really think there was another player other than Jordan on the bulls team was averaging close to 27.1 points per game with ISO plays in a seven game nba finals series.

time for your daily meds kid.

[WrestlingFan123]

lmao this kid really think there was another player other than Jordan on the bulls team was averaging close to 27.1 points per game with ISO plays in a seven game nba finals series.

time for your daily meds kid.

lmao, another LOW IQ LOW REP moron who doesn't know bball is a TEAM game

tell me what the 93-94 Bulls did with the same roster sans MJ

*hint 55 wins

now tell me what any of Lebron's teams did when he left, this includes the Miami Heat who still had D Wade and Bosh (while replacing Lebron with 19 ppg Luol Deng).

time for your nap kid.

[TomcatAli]

Anyone with a basketball iq knows this, op

LeBron is a fringe top 20 guy

No shame in it

I was thinking top 25-30 since there are some bench players who do more with less playing time. James Harden is a solid 6th man and his offensive game is better.

[notWilliam]

Durant/Wade/Bosh/Allen combo would be crazy.

LeBron joked about not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, but seven championship rings with Miami.

A 2018-2019 Durant teamed up with a 2010 to 2014 Wade, Bosh, and Allen? Good possibility 5 rings straight titles. A 5 peat lol.

Durant's got a 2 peat going on with the Warriors. Probably going to be a three peat NBA champ this year. The guy is a beast, no question about it.

Who is going to initiate efficient offense for that team?
I think LBJ's ability to impact the game at the 4 as both an offensive initiator and defensive force just makes a LBJ + Bosh + Wade team so much better than that Durant replacement lineup

Interesting.. I go --

1) Jordan
2a) Kareem
2b) Lebron
4) Magic
5) Wilt
6) Shaq
7) Duncan
8) Kobe
9) Bird
10) Russell

Not sure what Magic's argument over Duncan is.

I’m the finals I’m talking about from 2 years ago. Durant had more points scored on a higher TS%. KD had a better offensive rating and only slightly worse defensive rating while always gurarding the other teams best player. Better game score.

do you know how defensive rating is calculated?

[kingmanaverage]

strong lebron hate itt