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    China plans to have 6 aircraft carriers by 2035

    China plans to have 6 aircraft carriers by 2035

    China’s People’s Liberation Army-Navy (PLA-N) has undergone a broad and extensive modernization and expansion effort in recent years. With dozens of new warships launched and multiple carriers in production, the PLA-N promises to quickly become the dominant power in the Pacific. It’s a serious concern for neighboring nations with overlapping claims on the South China Sea, and for the United States, thanks to the massive amount of commerce shipped over the South China Sea annually. However, there are still a number of hurdles China must overcome before it can secure a place at the top of the region’s military heap.

    China currently has only one operational aircraft carrier in service, the Soviet-hulled Liaoning that is actually a sister ship (at least fundamentally) to Russia’s sole and perpetually-troubled carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov. However, China’s first home-built carrier, the Type 001A, is currently undergoing sea trials, and construction of another carrier, the Type 002, began last year. Once completed, the PLA-N will have a fleet of three aircraft carriers–more than enough to project a great deal of force when fully manned and equipped, but these carriers are significantly limited by their propulsion systems. All three carriers rely on massive diesel engines to get around, forcing them to remain within commuting distance of friendly ports for refueling. In effect, the propulsion systems used on China’s first three carriers doom them to a “green water” navy status, meaning, they are unable to serve as a means of force projection beyond the coastal waters of the nation.



    However, China is not content with ensuring it has the largest naval presence in its own neighborhood. China’s naval expansion has been developing hand-in-hand with economic initiatives aimed at expanding China’s influence the world over. Low-interest infrastructure loans to high-risk developing nations serve as just one way China has been developing new trade lines over land and sea with the intention of placing Chinese markets, rather than American ones, at the center of the global economy. This effort would fail to survive a large-scale conflict, however, unless China develops the means to defend its interests abroad.

    With that concept specifically in mind, China is moving forward with plans to build and deploy four nuclear-powered carriers by 2035. Once done, the nation will boast a fleet of six aircraft carriers, assuming it chooses to retire the dated Liaoning, though it seems more likely that China will instead sell the carrier to Pakistan. A third of those remaining carriers, those already in testing or under development, would serve as local security due to their diesel limitations, with the other two-thirds feasibly able to operate the world over, relying on friendly ports established through economic initiatives for resupply and nuclear propulsion to avoid concerns about refueling.

    According to Chinese naval expert and former PLA-N officer Wang Yunfei, China will keep its financial focus on a naval buildup even if trade conflicts with the United States have a long-standing negative effect on the nation’s economy.

    Even if the economic downturn has an effect, we can adjust proportions in total military expenditure to make sure naval modernization keeps going,” he said. “For example, we can cut the number of new tanks. The budget for military modernization will not be cut, even if [Beijing] decided to [use force to] reunify Taiwan. In a war scenario, [Beijing] may reduce spending on things like infrastructure, but it would increase military expenditure.”

    However, things aren’t all steaming in China’s direction. Fielding six carriers will undoubtedly exacerbate concerns that China does not have a reliable carrier-based fighter to employ on its new fleet of ships. It will also need to recruit and train the personnel needed to operate these carriers, and the ships, technology, and “blue water” navy methodology will all be new to the crews and the nation. It will be some time before China learns how to effectively leverage the power these carriers bring to bear even once there are jets to launch from them. China’s overall lack of combat operations experience will also hinder the maturation of the troops and procedures.

    China currently employs the J-15 as its carrier-based fighter. It’s a platform based on Russia’s capable Su-33 but, according to reports out of China, these planes are heavier and less reliable than their Russian forefathers. A number of incidents China has formally acknowledged (and a number of others they haven’t) indicate the J-15 is far too troubled to serve as a formidable opponent to American fighters of the same generation. That includes the Navy’s forthcoming Block III Super Hornets, as well as fifth-generation platforms like the F-35C and F-35B launched from Navy carriers and Marine Corps amphibious assault ships respectively.

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    As so does the US. Plus what they call an aircraft carrier we don't even consider as an aircraft carrier. To build a supercarrier, it's a little bit more difficult than that. When you see a Nimitz, or especially a Ford class, you are looking at the result of a constant evolution that has been going on since WWI. Of course, having a big ship that can land and lauch aircraft does have a significant impact on global power. May not mean much to us, but to many countries that have nothing like that, it's huge.
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    i guess in 16 years we'll know if they were serious
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    Reading the article the carriers will have diesel engines which limit the range and speed. They will be coastal carriers only.

    Shouldn't even build a carrier if it's not going to be nuclear powered. The idea is force projection beyond your own boarders.
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    Originally Posted by sandaltan View Post
    i guess in 16 years we'll know if they were serious
    Well, according to cortex the world ends in 12 so there’s not much point building them
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    Keep in mind that in 16 years, if the Communist get their way with our economy, people like AOC and Bernie, the United States military will be a small shadow of its former self by then. Our Mighty Air Force, Navy and land forces will be reduced and exchanged out for welfare checks to 3rd world leeches.
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    So everyone is saying there are carrier killer missiles now yet China is wanting to build carriers #sense

    That is unless they're going to use them to pick on non tier 1 nations... oh yeah prob actually
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    The real game changer are ice breaker ships. Russia is investing heavily in making them to dominate the arctic while the US only has a handful and has put off their development.
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    Originally Posted by Metz00 View Post
    The real game changer are ice breaker ships. Russia is investing heavily in making them to dominate the arctic while the US only has a handful and has put off their development.
    Not really sure Russia's ice breakers or military budget has anyone truly worried, they can barely afford to field a couple "5th gen" SU-57s. All while Putin hordes billions on billions in off-shore bank accounts.
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    Originally Posted by Metz00 View Post
    The real game changer are ice breaker ships. Russia is investing heavily in making them to dominate the arctic while the US only has a handful and has put off their development.
    Wouldn't icebreakers be absurdly easy to locate/track and also be slower, sure you can carve a path but that path would be easily viewable from sats and be of limited width making ships easier targets.
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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    Wouldn't icebreakers be absurdly easy to locate/track and also be slower, sure you can carve a path but that path would be easily viewable from sats and be of limited width making ships easier targets.
    I know nothing about icebreakers, do they HAVE to be above the surface in order to break the ice?....
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    Originally Posted by swoleyo View Post
    Reading the article the carriers will have diesel engines which limit the range and speed. They will be coastal carriers only.

    Shouldn't even build a carrier if it's not going to be nuclear powered. The idea is force projection beyond your own boarders.
    China is going to use them to buff up their coast presence and then answer to any criticism by saying the following:

    "If you get so salty about what we do in our own backyard imagine how pissed you be if our nuclear powered carrier was chilling in the Gulf of Mexico the way you guys hang around us"
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    Originally Posted by TacticalTaco View Post
    Keep in mind that in 16 years, if the Communist get their way with our economy, people like AOC and Bernie, the United States military will be a small shadow of its former self by then. Our Mighty Air Force, Navy and land forces will be reduced and exchanged out for welfare checks to 3rd world leeches.
    ^^This.

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    Originally Posted by Nelly87 View Post
    I know nothing about icebreakers, do they HAVE to be above the surface in order to break the ice?....
    Me neither... was just thinking about it from my limited knowledge. I would you could break submerged but seems like it would be much slower and not break completely if you took a sub under the ice then brought it up breaking the ice you would think the ice would fall back down into place.

    I know these aren't purpose built subs for ice breaking but here is some reference, no idea if a purpose built ice breaking sub even exists.

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    Originally Posted by Jasonw1178 View Post
    As so does the US. Plus what they call an aircraft carrier we don't even consider as an aircraft carrier. To build a supercarrier, it's a little bit more difficult than that. When you see a Nimitz, or especially a Ford class, you are looking at the result of a constant evolution that has been going on since WWI. Of course, having a big ship that can land and lauch aircraft does have a significant impact on global power. May not mean much to us, but to many countries that have nothing like that, it's huge.
    Theyre aircraft carriers. Theyre just not super-carriers. The new birtish aircraft carriers arent super-carriers either. To be a super-carrier the ship must displace 100'000 tons.

    Theyll still get the job done and be able to fill the same role as the US carriers. BUT theyll be less capable and theyll fill a smaller role compared to US carriers. Also' theyll have 6 less carriers than the US has by then...
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    I know nothing about icebreakers, do they HAVE to be above the surface in order to break the ice?....
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    Originally Posted by TacticalTaco View Post
    Keep in mind that in 16 years, if the Communist get their way with our economy, people like AOC and Bernie, the United States military will be a small shadow of its former self by then. Our Mighty Air Force, Navy and land forces will be reduced and exchanged out for welfare checks to 3rd world leeches.
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    Me neither... was just thinking about it from my limited knowledge. I would you could break submerged but seems like it would be much slower and not break completely if you took a sub under the ice then brought it up breaking the ice you would think the ice would fall back down into place.

    I know these aren't purpose built subs for ice breaking but here is some reference, no idea if a purpose built ice breaking sub even exists.

    ah - lol i was going more towards a fantasy level movie thought process of subs underneath and they all just blow the ice the fuk up with something, all at once. Then a moment of dead-calm, then in the distance a boat appears on the surface and slowly hundreds upon thousands appear out of the steamy ice-mist.
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    Well, according to cortex the world ends in 12 so there’s not much point building them
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    Originally Posted by Nelly87 View Post
    ah - lol i was going more towards a fantasy level movie thought process of subs underneath and they all just blow the ice the fuk up with something, all at once. Then a moment of dead-calm, then in the distance a boat appears on the surface and slowly hundreds upon thousands appear out of the steamy ice-mist.
    Hah,

    See what I mean about the ice coming back down though? The breaker boats push the ice down and it goes under the adjacent ice so it actually clears a path to some extent.
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    Total waste of money for any country.

    Any country with nukes has zero chance of getting attacked.

    The military industrial complex mind ****s weak minded ignorant people

    The united states will never be in danger of being attacked. You have Canada to the north an Mexico to the south and san Fransisco is the only harbor to the Pacific. And the main factor is the united states has armed citizen's.

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    Originally Posted by ChewYourFood View Post
    I always lol when I see poverty carriers with ramps to help the planes take off.
    Japan went the better route. They do. Not have any carriers at all. They have super destroyers.

    They can only dock 15 jets per ship by it is far better suited for modern warfare
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    Originally Posted by latverian41 View Post
    Total waste of money for any country.

    Any country with nukes has zero chance of getting attacked.

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    So you are saying if a country has nukes its safe?

    So Israel is safe already?

    Syria should have had nukes? Iran should get them?

    You got neocons on suicide watch boyo
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    Originally Posted by latverian41 View Post
    japan went the better route. They do. Not have any carriers at all. They have super destroyers.

    They can only dock 15 jets per ship by it is far better suited for modern warfare
    does it have a ramp?!?!?!?!
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    Originally Posted by latverian41 View Post
    Total waste of money for any country.

    Any country with nukes has zero chance of getting attacked.

    The military industrial complex mind ****s weak minded ignorant people

    The united states will never be in danger of being attacked. You have Canada to the north an Mexico to the south and san Fransisco is the only harbor to the Pacific. And the main factor is the united states has armed citizen's.

    The amount of guns in private jhands for exceeds the amount of guns in the military
    Aircraft carriers are for force projection purposes. We need a true bluewater navy to protect trade and navigation freedom. There are real dangers in the real world. I agree that there is special interests groups. But we shouldnt pretend that their arent real existing threats.
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    Originally Posted by Jrd86 View Post
    Aircraft carriers are for force projection purposes. We need a true bluewater navy to protect trade and navigation freedom. There are real dangers in the real world. I agree that there is special interests groups. But we shouldnt pretend that their arent real existing threats.
    Agreed, carriers allow for some major dick swinging, like making port calls near China or sailing through the Strait of Hormuz.
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