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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    . They set it up by moving Baylor up to where they did. They will take the brand. Utah and Baylor will set up two very similar resumes with one party feeling they have an equal argument for getting in.
    Wait are you saying the selection committee intentionally raises or lowers teams to set up matches?
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    Originally Posted by Tears View Post
    I don't know why an OU win over a Baylor team they already defeated (barely) will get them passed Utah over Oregon, when Utah is already ahead of them.

    I don't know where or how this surge for Baylor came from.
    I do think oklahoma can gain something from beating Baylor convincingly and controlling the game for 4 quarters. They can gain more (not just by where they are in the standings) than say OSU who already beat Wisconsin convincingly.

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    Wait are you saying the selection committee intentionally raises or lowers teams to set up matches?
    Uh, duh. They are paid handsomely to produce ratings. There is no doubt they want an Oklahoma/OSU matchup in the desert.

    Fun act while on the topic of Oklahoma: did you know they have lost the last 6 playoff/BCS title games? The last time they won one of those was 2000.
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    Uh, duh. They are paid handsomely to produce ratings. There is no doubt they want an Oklahoma/OSU matchup in the desert.
    What makes you say they are payed to produce ratings? Is it because of Alabama?


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    Fun act while on the topic of Oklahoma: did you know they have lost the last 6 playoff/BCS title games? The last time they won one of those was 2000.
    I think if both Utah and Oklahoma win in a similarly played game, Utah gets in.
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    Originally Posted by Tears View Post
    What makes you say they are payed to produce ratings? Is it because of Alabama?




    I think if both Utah and Oklahoma win in a similarly played game, Utah gets in.
    We will revisit on Sunday. While I think Utah is the better team, I think oklahoma gets in based on brand (assuming both teams take care of business in a similar fashion).
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    We will revisit on Sunday. While I think Utah is the better team, I think oklahoma gets in based on brand (assuming both teams take care of business in a similar fashion).


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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    We will revisit on Sunday. While I think Utah is the better team, I think oklahoma gets in based on brand (assuming both teams take care of business in a similar fashion).
    It's a really interesting situation. I know me as a viewer, I would rather see Utah in. It's different. They're going to lose, but so is Oklahoma. I would rather see a new team in it, just as a fan. As far as who's better between Oklahoma and Utah.... who knows? Utah is more balanced, Oklahoma has more firepower. I think they're very close to one another, so I couldn't scream foul if they pick one over the other.

    If they do end up taking Oklahoma because they're Oklahoma, it sends a bad message (maybe one we all already knew anyway); that it doesn't matter if you have similar success, the committee is taking the name. The teams that are going to be in the CFP is already pretty exclusive, but now they'd be saying pretty definitively that a single good season isn't good enough. To be in the CFP you either have to have sustained success over multiple years, or you have to have a single good year and be a historically good team. That's of course if they choose Oklahoma primarily because they're Oklahoma.

    So maybe if next year Utah has another great season they would have a chance. If not, maybe the year after. But if Arizona State (lol yeah right) is 11-1 next year... nope not happening. USC goes 11-1 next year? In.

    Personally I think they have the rankings how they have them precisely so that when the reconvene, they have all options available. People couldn't scream too much if #5 beat a good ranked opponent and just barely kept the edge. If #6 beats #7 and they jump over #5, it wouldn't be surprising. Hell, if somehow Baylor comes out and looks incredible over Oklahoma, #7 beats #6 and jumps #5? Seems the least likely of the scenarios, but it still isn't unrealistic.

    With all the debate, Oregon will just end up winning tonight and ruin any/all mystique surrounding it all. lol.
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    Originally Posted by JMath View Post
    It's a really interesting situation. I know me as a viewer, I would rather see Utah in. It's different. They're going to lose, but so is Oklahoma. I would rather see a new team in it, just as a fan. As far as who's better between Oklahoma and Utah.... who knows? Utah is more balanced, Oklahoma has more firepower. I think they're very close to one another, so I couldn't scream foul if they pick one over the other.

    If they do end up taking Oklahoma because they're Oklahoma, it sends a bad message (maybe one we all already knew anyway); that it doesn't matter if you have similar success, the committee is taking the name. The teams that are going to be in the CFP is already pretty exclusive, but now they'd be saying pretty definitively that a single good season isn't good enough. To be in the CFP you either have to have sustained success over multiple years, or you have to have a single good year and be a historically good team. That's of course if they choose Oklahoma primarily because they're Oklahoma.

    So maybe if next year Utah has another great season they would have a chance. If not, maybe the year after. But if Arizona State (lol yeah right) is 11-1 next year... nope not happening. USC goes 11-1 next year? In.

    Personally I think they have the rankings how they have them precisely so that when the reconvene, they have all options available. People couldn't scream too much if #5 beat a good ranked opponent and just barely kept the edge. If #6 beats #7 and they jump over #5, it wouldn't be surprising. Hell, if somehow Baylor comes out and looks incredible over Oklahoma, #7 beats #6 and jumps #5? Seems the least likely of the scenarios, but it still isn't unrealistic.

    With all the debate, Oregon will just end up winning tonight and ruin any/all mystique surrounding it all. lol.
    I think they have it set up exactly how they want it to leave their options open. That’s more of why I want them to scrap the system. There is no transparency.
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    It's a really interesting situation. I know me as a viewer, I would rather see Utah in. It's different. They're going to lose, but so is Oklahoma.
    And this is why I hope Georgia beats LSU in a close game so that this isn't even a discussion. Every year the argument for having a Selection Committee is to put "the 4 best teams in". Yet they've routinely fukedup the selections.

    Remember that time Ohio State lost in a fluke Ezekiel Elliott's last year, and they sent Michigan State in to get curbed stomped by Alabama? Then they tried to right that wrong by putting Ohio State in when they were questionable and Clemson blanked them?



    Ohio State, and LSU are clearly the top two teams this year. Clemson should be in even with a poverty schedule as defending champs, and depending how Georgia plays, they could possibly be 4. If they play LSU hard all 4 quarters and keep the game within within 10 then they should get it. I don't want to see another complimentary playoff appearance gifted to a cutesy (garbage) underdog story just so they can chit themselves when the lights get turned on *cough* NOTRE DAME *cough*
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    Originally Posted by W1LLW View Post
    And this is why I hope Georgia beats LSU in a close game so that this isn't even a discussion. Every year the argument for having a Selection Committee is to put "the 4 best teams in". Yet they've routinely fukedup the selections.

    Remember that time Ohio State lost in a fluke Ezekiel Elliott's last year, and they sent Michigan State in to get curbed stomped by Alabama? Then they tried to right that wrong by putting Ohio State in when they were questionable and Clemson blanked them?



    Ohio State, and LSU are clearly the top two teams this year. Clemson should be in even with a poverty schedule as defending champs, and depending how Georgia plays, they could possibly be 4. If they play LSU hard all 4 quarters and keep the game within within 10 then they should get it. I don't want to see another complimentary playoff appearance gifted to a cutesy (garbage) underdog story just so they can chit themselves when the lights get turned on *cough* NOTRE DAME *cough*
    That 2015 OSU team might be one of the most talented teams of all time. Unfortunately it wasn’t a fluke, it was inept play calling let by Tim Beck. As much as I’d like to say they could have done damage in the playoff I’m not quite sure. They were the better team than MSU but the committee couldn’t get past the optics of letting OSU in over a conference champ who beat them. It’s also the reason why I wouldn’t count Bama out before Tua went down. Should a team be penalized for playing in the same division as another playoff team? If we want the 4 best it shouldn’t matter but the more you argue that the less you value the results on the field and the rest of the regular season.
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    imo. it should be the 4 best conference winners. don't win the conference? to damn bad no playoff for you.
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    We will revisit on Sunday. While I think Utah is the better team, I think oklahoma gets in based on brand (assuming both teams take care of business in a similar fashion).
    Agreed. Brand plays a huge role with the selection committee
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    Originally Posted by Tears View Post
    I think if both Utah and Oklahoma win in a similarly played game, Utah gets in.
    no one wants utah to get in. i don't get how beating a lower ranked team is impressive and gains them the ability to beat any of the top 3 teams. we'll see tonight.


    edit: to be clear, i don't think we could beat any of the top 3 teams.
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    And this is why I hope Georgia beats LSU in a close game so that this isn't even a discussion. Every year the argument for having a Selection Committee is to put "the 4 best teams in". Yet they've routinely fukedup the selections.

    Remember that time Ohio State lost in a fluke Ezekiel Elliott's last year, and they sent Michigan State in to get curbed stomped by Alabama? Then they tried to right that wrong by putting Ohio State in when they were questionable and Clemson blanked them?



    Ohio State, and LSU are clearly the top two teams this year. Clemson should be in even with a poverty schedule as defending champs, and depending how Georgia plays, they could possibly be 4. If they play LSU hard all 4 quarters and keep the game within within 10 then they should get it. I don't want to see another complimentary playoff appearance gifted to a cutesy (garbage) underdog story just so they can chit themselves when the lights get turned on *cough* NOTRE DAME *cough*
    Why should Georgia stay at #4 if they play it close? Remember they lost at home to South Carolina. IDK if they lose in quadruple overtime, keeping a 2 Loss GA team at #4 would be unfair to Utah and/or OU.
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    Why should Georgia stay at #4 if they play it close? Remember they lost at home to South Carolina. IDK if they lose in quadruple overtime, keeping a 2 Loss GA team at #4 would be unfair to Utah and/or OU.
    Lol I didn’t even get to those last few lines. No chance a 2 loss, non conference champ Georgia gets in especially with that USC loss.
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    And this is why I hope Georgia beats LSU in a close game so that this isn't even a discussion.

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    imo. it should be the 4 best conference winners. don't win the conference? to damn bad no playoff for you.
    Yep. The contrary argument for the "4 best teams" sounds good but is flawed since we/committee experts don't know who they are unless everyone plays about 50 more games that spans plenty of work against each conference. Selecting the 4 best conference champions may increase the risk of leaving out a "top 4", but also increases the opportunity to find the one best in the country, which is what a playoff bracket should be all about.
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    Originally Posted by Orlando1234977 View Post
    Yep. The contrary argument for the "4 best teams" sounds good but is flawed since we/committee experts don't know who they are unless everyone plays about 50 more games that spans plenty of work against each conference. Selecting the 4 best conference champions may increase the risk of leaving out a "top 4", but also increases the opportunity to find the one best in the country, which is what a playoff bracket should be all about.
    and sometimes the "best team" doesn't win that game even though they may 9 out of 10 played.
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    Best proposition I’ve seen is to take conference champs from power 5, then slide a wild card in at 6.

    Would still get people bitching about the 6th spot though because it’d almost always get filled with a second SEC team rather than a poverty UCF/western Michigan hopeful.
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    And this is why I hope Georgia beats LSU in a close game so that this isn't even a discussion. Every year the argument for having a Selection Committee is to put "the 4 best teams in". Yet they've routinely fukedup the selections.

    Remember that time Ohio State lost in a fluke Ezekiel Elliott's last year, and they sent Michigan State in to get curbed stomped by Alabama? Then they tried to right that wrong by putting Ohio State in when they were questionable and Clemson blanked them?



    Ohio State, and LSU are clearly the top two teams this year. Clemson should be in even with a poverty schedule as defending champs, and depending how Georgia plays, they could possibly be 4. If they play LSU hard all 4 quarters and keep the game within within 10 then they should get it. I don't want to see another complimentary playoff appearance gifted to a cutesy (garbage) underdog story just so they can chit themselves when the lights get turned on *cough* NOTRE DAME *cough*
    If Georgia loses, they shouldn't be in. If Georgia loses we KNOW for a fact they're not the best team in the country. Utah, Oklahoma, Baylor.... we are 99% sure they aren't either, but they at least should get the chance to get thumped too. lol.

    To me the point of the playoff is to find who the single best team in the nation is (obviously). So outside of a more objective process, that process of deciding who the best team in the country is, should start with the actual selection of the teams in the playoff. If you have no argument of "they could be the best team" you shouldn't be in, unless there is no other option. Utah, Baylor, Oklahoma... they all fall into the "almost positive they're not" the best team in the country category. UGA losing to LSU at this point would put them into the "undeniably not" the best category.

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    imo. it should be the 4 best conference winners. don't win the conference? to damn bad no playoff for you.
    I agree it should be more objective. Earning it via an actual identifiable path seems better than a group of people subjectively deciding who they think is the best.

    I just wanna see more college football, so I would love an 8 team playoff. Power 5 conference winners. Group of 5 winner (with stipulations). Then have some sort of multi part process to pick the at-large teams (BCS style rankings, plus committee, plus AP poll, plus coaches poll, average them out, highest score is in type of thing.)

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    Best proposition I’ve seen is to take conference champs from power 5, then slide a wild card in at 6.

    Would still get people bitching about the 6th spot though because it’d almost always get filled with a second SEC team rather than a poverty UCF/western Michigan hopeful.
    If they do 6, they have to just make it 8. To me there would be just as much complaining about who got 2 instead of 3, because the bye would be so freaking valuable. Especially if you take an approach that some people proposed, which was including home field advantage for the first round or whatever.

    May as well make it 8. You get 2 extra games. You could basically include multiple systems to determine who were the final seeds, so no singular bias would determine it.
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    The real boss would be to merge into four power conferences with the Champ of each going in. Basically dismantle one entire conference and sell the parts to the remaining four. But most realistic would be the 8 team idea with 3 hand picked at-large.
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    Oregon making it easy on the committee.
    If this is the only upset it'll be real simple. If not, chaos.
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    If this is the only upset it'll be real simple. If not, chaos.
    I wonder how any of the other upsets would impact the playoff.

    OSU might be able to lose and still be top 4. LSU can definitely, just given who they’re playing. Clemson would likely be out. But I’m not sure if they’d put a recent loss 1 loss team over 2 loss teams?

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    I wonder how any of the other upsets would impact the playoff.

    OSU might be able to lose and still be top 4. LSU can definitely, just given who they’re playing. Clemson would likely be out. But I’m not sure if they’d put a recent loss 1 loss team over 2 loss teams?

    Inb4 Alabama is in. Lol.
    I tend to agree with fivethirtyeight that shows if any favorite loses, they're under 50% (%'s assuming Oregon holds on):

    Clemson down to 35%
    OSU down to 42%
    LSU down to 22%
    Oklahoma down to 0%

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