Will it be effective in terms of size / strength gains for upper body? I don't really care about training legs as I am satisfied with their size dont' want them to get bigger.
Can I just do the fierce 5 program (Full body novice program) without squats or front squat and still get good gains.
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Thread: Fierce 5 without training Legs?
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02-05-2019, 06:22 AM #1
Fierce 5 without training Legs?
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02-05-2019, 06:33 AM #2
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02-05-2019, 06:37 AM #3
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Hmmmmmm???
You do any and all programs as written.
If your legs are perfect for you, then lift lighter weights, but that really isn't how the program is designed.My Log - https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=170367151&page=50
"Muff divers local #69.....no muff too tough....we dive at five"
Fierce 5 Programs ->https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=1266579671#post1266579671
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02-05-2019, 06:42 AM #4
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02-05-2019, 07:31 AM #11
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02-05-2019, 07:32 AM #12
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02-05-2019, 07:32 AM #13
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...5909521&page=1
OP’s picture is attached to the thread.
Link showing thread started by OP 6 months ago regarding his legs.
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02-05-2019, 07:41 AM #14
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02-05-2019, 07:48 AM #15
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02-05-2019, 08:05 AM #16
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02-05-2019, 08:06 AM #17
OP, he’s being sarcastic, not complimentary.
Like he said, you need to keep training your legs.
They are not as developed as you think, and are certainly not at a stage that you should consider not training them at all.
The picture is 6 months old. Agreed. But I doubt they’d have grown much since then. Especially since you were asking if you should stop training them 6 months ago when they were as shown in the pictures.
The legs in this picture are only just developing. They still need a LOT of work.
Keep training your full body, OP.
All the best.
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02-05-2019, 08:47 AM #18
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02-05-2019, 09:36 AM #19
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02-05-2019, 09:49 AM #20
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02-05-2019, 09:49 AM #21
You’re looking at this the wrong way OP, think long-term not short-term. Your legs might look big compared to your torso now. If you decide to neglect leg training, you are doing yourself a disservice in the future. One day you will realize that your upper body is disproportionate to your legs.
If you don’t care about proportions don’t train legs. There is no law dictating that you HAVE to train them. It is just that most people would prefer not to have chicken legs.
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02-05-2019, 10:11 AM #22
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02-05-2019, 10:19 AM #23
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02-05-2019, 10:38 AM #24
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02-05-2019, 11:32 AM #25
Since you can only put on 4 lbs of muscle per month, wouldn't it be beneficial to have it all on the upper body if you were seriously lacking there?
I often read about people complaining that their arms are falling behind during their training. Could it be that the bigger muscles like legs are just getting all the gains? Or do the smaller muscles like biceps/triceps just grow at a lackluster rate, so it's impossible to grow them at a faster rate than when on a full body routine?
I think I asked this question before, but never really got an answer other than 'follow the routine as written'.
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02-05-2019, 01:36 PM #26
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02-05-2019, 03:09 PM #27
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02-05-2019, 08:40 PM #28
Train the legs, train everything else. The most effective programs are the ones that train all the important muscles, Bodies do not naturally develop with weird disparities. You're not going to get a big bench press just doing bench press. You're gonna stall, and stall fast. A lot of studies show that strength training as much of the musculature as you can naturally raises testosterone levels and aids with muscle growth and recovery. You might think your legs are "big enough", but unless you have some kind of prodigious squat numbers, odds are the size in your legs isn't from muscle, it's from fat. It happens. Most of my fat accumulates in the hips and legs too.
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02-06-2019, 01:53 AM #29
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Muscle grows in proportion - so larger muscles (i.e. lower body) grow more in absolute terms. Your "4lbs a month" rule is not really a rule, probably just an observation someone made - and then probably for someone who is training their whole body.
Let's assume that is the case. In which case I would assume, the distribution to be something like 1.75lbs upper body 2.25lbs lower body.
So if you only trained upper, you would still only get 1.75lbs.
People who want to get shredded seem to totally miss the fact that high overall LBM makes that easier - and without looking like a skeleton - plus lower body training has more effect on your torso (below the midpoint) than upper body training does.
Avoiding legs is misguided and/or lazy, that's all there really is to it.
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