***Official A-League Fantasy Baseball Keeper Thread II***

[SoutheastBeast1]

Playing the long game with Pache. Doubt the Braves bring him up after the Ozuna signing. Barring an injury. We all know they aren't bench Markakis plus they still have Inciarte mulling around. Not to mention the Braves are just *******s.

In fairness I'm in the same boat with Anderson. Braves just gonna be *******s and pitch Felix and Hamels instead. So I'm mostly empathizing, not hating.

[saaltydog]

It's amazing how the teams who always have the best keepers are the ones who are consistently in the playoffs.

ProShark
Prop
JY
ChillWill
And me - Although historically my keepers havent been the greatest.

Yet there are teams in this league who are content sitting on garbage and hoarding draft picks year after year. Every one who thought having a ton of picks is going to change their fortune has been wrong. Cant compete with teams that have the best players in the league.

[TheBateman]

preliminary keepers

H: Marcell Ozuna
H: Nick Senzel
P: Brad Hand
P: Kenley Jansen or Ryan Yarbrough
F: Nick Castellanos
10+: Omar Narvaez or Aristides Aquino or Gary Sanchez
N/A: Mackenzie Gore
N/A: Sixto Sanchez

Keepers

H: Rendon
H: Freeman
P: Kershaw
P: Morton
F: Springer
10+: Bichette
N/A: Matt Manning
N/A: Ian Anderson

Let's get this party started sluts, my prelim keepers:

H: Mookie
H: Moncada
P: Nola
P: Biebs
F: (still being decided)
10+: Meadows
NA: Kieboom
NA: Kelenic

Keepers:
Torres
Alverez
Hiura
Ohtani
Luzardo
Ohtani (p)
Lux n/a

Suarez
Albies
Berrios
Hendricks
Realmuto
Gurrriel jr

listing keepers again:

H: Trout
H: Lindor
P: Scherzer
P: Buehler
H/P: Mondesi
Flex: Alonso
NA: Pache
NA: Bart

,,,

[SoutheastBeast1]

It's amazing how the teams who always have the best keepers are the ones who are consistently in the playoffs.

ProShark
Prop
JY
ChillWill
And me - Although historically my keepers havent been the greatest.

Yet there are teams in this league who are content sitting on garbage and hoarding draft picks year after year. Every one who thought having a ton of picks is going to change their fortune has been wrong. Cant compete with teams that have the best players in the league.

In fairness, it very well could work if everyone collectively stands pat and forces those of you with an overflow to dump rich talent back in the draft.

That hasn’t happened in years past because pieces get dumped off here and there, spreading it out across teams more or going to already incredibly weak teams so it’s not enough of a bump to make them real threats.

Granted if you’re talking about Bateman this year you’re right. There’s not enough draft picks in the world and talent dumped back in the pool that could save that keeper set.

Your keepers still have to be moderately respectable players for it to work, assuming talent is released back in.

[saaltydog]

In fairness, it very well could work if everyone collectively stands pat and forces those of you with an overflow to dump rich talent back in the draft.

That hasn’t happened in years past because pieces get dumped off here and there, spreading it out across teams more or going to already incredibly weak teams so it’s not enough of a bump to make them real threats.

Granted if you’re talking about Bateman this year you’re right. There’s not enough draft picks in the world and talent dumped back in the pool that could save that keeper set.

Your keepers still have to be moderately respectable players for it to work, assuming talent is released back in.

On the flip side. I think the in season market needs to be reset. Too many playoff teams giving up early picks for incremental gains. Those same teams who benefited from the playoffs teams then demand everything for nothing in the off season. If all the playoffs teams stand pat it very well could work.

lol @ anyone trying to get my picks for next year. I'm letting the losers lay down and rot. Good luck trying to improve your teams.

[SoutheastBeast1]

On the flip side. I think the in season market needs to be reset. Too many playoff teams giving up early picks for incremental gains. Those same teams who benefited from the playoffs teams then demand everything for nothing in the off season. If all the playoffs teams stand pat it very well could work.

lol @ anyone trying to get my picks for next year. I'm letting the losers lay down and rot. Good luck trying to improve your teams.

Unbiased opinion, I think parity would be better if the talent was dumped back in as the teams who struggled collected picks.

That’s really how it should work from a rebuilding perspective and a rental perspective. The contenders rent and the sellers get picks for valuable pieces next spring.

The cycle we’re in now has the contenders renting then recouping at least some of that value back (not saying full value, but you’re getting it back) as you trade that overflow right back to those same teams to get your picks back.

Not that anyone has done anything wrong or something should change. I’m merely making an observation. It’s up to each manager to make their own choices to set themselves up.

So really I get why Bateman and others would rather hoard and hope others do the same.

You can’t really be mad about it. You got your rental. No one owes you a refund.

Likewise if you sold off for picks you took a shot talent would be there. If those with overflow give it away for lower value, that’s the risk you took hoarding the picks.

No right or wrong. Just a game of chess that none of you have full control over.

Make your choice and let the chips fall where they may.

[saaltydog]

Unbiased opinion, I think parity would be better if the talent was dumped back in as the teams who struggled collected picks.

That’s really how it should work from a rebuilding perspective and a rental perspective. The contenders rent and the sellers get picks for valuable pieces next spring.

The cycle we’re in now has the contenders renting then recouping at least some of that value back (not saying full value, but you’re getting it back) as you trade that overflow right back to those same teams to get your picks back.

Not that anyone has done anything wrong or something should change. I’m merely making an observation. It’s up to each manager to make their own choices to set themselves up.

So really I get why Bateman and others would rather hoard and hope others do the same.

You can’t really be mad about it. You got your rental. No one owes you a refund.

Likewise if you sold off for picks you took a shot talent would be there. If those with overflow give it away for lower value, that’s the risk you took hoarding the picks.

No right or wrong. Just a game of chess that none of you have full control over.

Make your choice and let the chips fall where they may.

Sounds like having your cake and eating too.

What you're saying is parity is one side getting almost everything (Picks and Elite Players) while playoff teams give up their draft to just lose in the playoffs(Unless your lucky to win it all)

The free market will correct any imbalances. If playoff teams can't seem to unload anything in the off season while losing in the playoffs season after season they will definitely be less likely to give up draft picks for players. Leaving losing teams stuck with their ****ty team year after year without any opportunity to get better with elite players.

At least now losing playoff teams can recoup some value lost while losing teams still get the benefit of extra picks and maybe an elite player or two.

Btw not mad. I'm sitting pretty. I don't have to make a move the rest this off season and go into the draft with the best team.

[saaltydog]

Let's ask prop how much better of a position would he be in this year if he didn't trade away all his picks? He's traded away his picks every year and has nothing to show for it.

I proved last year you don't need an all star team to win it all. Most of the time the best team doesn't win anyways. I didn't have Yelich, JRam, Tatis Jr, G. Sanchez, D, Dahl and a few other players in the playoffs and I won. That right there should lower the value of picks given up for mediocre players.

[SoutheastBeast1]

Sounds like having your cake and eating too.

What you're saying is parity is one side getting almost everything (Picks and Elite Players) while playoff teams give up their draft to just lose in the playoffs(Unless your lucky to win it all)

The free market will correct any imbalances. If playoff teams can't seem to unload anything in the off season while losing in the playoffs season after season they will definitely be less likely to give up draft picks for players. Leaving losing teams stuck with their ****ty team year after year without any opportunity to get better with elite players.

At least now losing playoff teams can recoup some value lost while losing teams still get the benefit of extra picks and maybe an elite player or two.

Btw not mad. I'm sitting pretty. I don't have to make a move the rest this off season and go into the draft with the best team.

Getting everything?

No they lost for an entire season bro.

When the Astros rented Cole this season they didn’t get to trade him in the offseason when they were done.

And yeah they lost. They added to boost a chance to win.

You trading your picks for players then re-trading them back for picks (even if less valuable) is literally the definition of “getting everything” you biased little twat


It’s not right or wrong. In fact good for you. How pathetic do you have to be to not acknowledge that’s insanely favorable to the buyer.


It’d definitely increase parity if you had to pony up (should you choose to) to make a run and not get to regain that loss.

You were already a good team. You forfeit some of your future value to give yourself a chance to win it all and that future value is slid over to a weak team

Cliffs: more teams are evenly matched next year as a result

[saaltydog]

Getting everything?

No they lost for an entire season bro.

When the Astros rented Cole this season they didn’t get to trade him in the offseason when they were done.

And yeah they lost. They added to boost a chance to win.

You trading your picks for players then re-trading them back for picks (even if less valuable) is literally the definition of “getting everything” you biased little twat


It’s not right or wrong. In fact good for you. How pathetic do you have to be to not acknowledge that’s insanely favorable to the buyer.

Bad analogy *******. Astros didnt have the rights to Cole. On the flip side I have all the rights to Yelich, Jose Ramirez, Devers and everyone else on my team. Astros didnt have a choice to try and trade him for something in return.

If you want to compare apples to apples. Let's say MLB held a draft for all free agents but if you own a player you can trade him. You mean to tell me the Astros wouldn't get anything in return to trade him to some team who knows he'll make their team better?

Sounds to me like you're a biased little *******. You're a loser so of course you want easy picks and elite talent. You want it all don't you? You greedy little twat.

Brb playoff teams get 35 year old players while losing and the non playoff teams get 10 picks and elite players in the draft lol. Sounds pretty even to me. Oh thats right since they lost they entire season its all even.

[saaltydog]

Also teams get draft picks for qualifying offers. So yeah the Astros did get something in return for Cole. They got a draft pick and probably not just one.

But but parity lol.

[saaltydog]

Bacon has always preached about not trading for players and letting the draft pool be deep. Yet last year he was sucking on JYs teet getting players left and right. You're all about yourself bacon.

[propreffered7]

The free market will correct any imbalances

not exactly sure what you guys are talking about, but i think i lean more toward this. it's hard to discern or talk about the exchanging of picks and players cause you're not specifying the players or picks involved.

but i would think regarding bacons point about "rentals" - he's talking about a playoff team getting the players they want in season for a playoff run then turning around and trading them in the offseason to recoup the value they lost. but this depends on who's trading what. if the guy who traded the pick gets a player thats a top pick, that's better for him. if he trades his pick back for a player going after the pick.. that doesn't make sense.

i think the picks are overvalued but for some reason people love them in here. ive had trouble trading for any the past few years

Let's ask prop how much better of a position would he be in this year if he didn't trade away all his picks? He's traded away his picks every year and has nothing to show for it.

I proved last year you don't need an all star team to win it all. Most of the time the best team doesn't win anyways. I didn't have Yelich, JRam, Tatis Jr, G. Sanchez, D, Dahl and a few other players in the playoffs and I won. That right there should lower the value of picks given up for mediocre players.

and yea, i remember you picking up maeda and he had like 3 holds all year. and he was a part of that fuken deep azz dodger bullpen. but somehow when you claimed him he got like 3 holds that week. im pretty sure they were good matchups and stuff, but

i had always wanted to say if i had done that dodgers prob would have won each game by like 15 runs or some chit and maeda would have never been used

[saaltydog]

not exactly sure what you guys are talking about, but i think i lean more toward this. it's hard to discern or talk about the exchanging of picks and players cause you're not specifying the players or picks involved.

but i would think regarding bacons point about "rentals" - he's talking about a playoff team getting the players they want in season for a playoff run then turning around and trading them in the offseason to recoup the value they lost. but this depends on who's trading what. if the guy who traded the pick gets a player thats a top pick, that's better for him. if he trades his pick back for a player going after the pick.. that doesn't make sense.

i think the picks are overvalued but for some reason people love them in here. ive had trouble trading for any the past few years



and yea, i remember you picking up maeda and he had like 3 holds all year. and he was a part of that fuken deep azz dodger bullpen. but somehow when you claimed him he got like 3 holds that week. im pretty sure they were good matchups and stuff, but

i had always wanted to say if i had done that dodgers prob would have won each game by like 15 runs or some chit and maeda would have never been used

I doubled down on the Dodgers bullpen. Had May and picked up Maeda. Both killed it for me in the playoffs.

Anyways you're right draft picks are overrated. Which is why teams like you, JY, Chill, and Pro are always in the playoffs without having any picks. Just on the last page I posted a screen shot of the first two rounds. It was terrible. lol if you think the draft is going to drastically change you're team when you have average keepers.

I still remember when bacon had his whole draft over by round 4-5. He talked so much **** how it was all over for the league and he was going to win it all. That nikka didn't even make the playoffs lol. Also look at Bateman last year. Dude had multiple picks in the first, second and third. Was one of the worst teams in the league. Mel had multiple picks and he did made the playoffs. But that was in spite of his draft.

Yet we got Bateman up in here offering a 5th for Yelich lol.

[heyquikquestion]

Either draft day works for me, I'm flexible.

[Iceman1800]

I'm confused as to how some people are seemingly against hoarding drafts picks yet continually try to trade for them......

[saaltydog]

I'm confused as to how some people are seemingly against hoarding drafts picks yet continually try to trade for them......

Yeah you are confused. Because it ain't that simple.

I'm against teams hoarding picks while demanding players like Yelich for a 5th. Good luck getting players like Yelich, Devers, and Jose Ramirez in the draft lol.

[Iceman1800]

Yeah you are confused. Because it ain't that simple.

I'm against teams hoarding picks while demanding players like Yelich for a 5th. Good luck getting players like Yelich, Devers, and Jose Ramirez in the draft lol.

But you had to have gotten those players at some point in the draft. Trout wasn't on waivers so someone drafted him. Nothing you can do about stud keepers teams already have. You have to hope for a solid draft to get the next great player. I agree Yelich is worth more than an early round pick but the hope is to find the next superstar.

[saaltydog]

But you had to have gotten those players at some point in the draft. Trout wasn't on waivers so someone drafted him. Nothing you can do about stud keepers teams already have. You have to hope for a solid draft to get the next great player. I agree Yelich is worth more than an early round pick but the hope is to find the next superstar.

Key word.

Here's the first two rounds last year.



How many of these players became Superstars? The upper echelon of players rarely turns over. Usually only a couple new players every year. Then you got players like Ketel Marte who aren't drafted making that leap. Someone who I've really liked the past couple years just missed out on the leap.

I get it though I've done that in the past. Gambled on finding enough players in the draft to make up for average keepers. From experience it's harder to do that then just have elite keepers.

I'm irritated by teams thinking top ten hitters like Yelich/Devers/JRam are worth 5th round picks.

As a side note Trout was picked up as a FA. All the draft picks in the world wouldn't have gotten you Trout. That's neither here nor there though.

[saaltydog]

Soto - Picked up
Bellinger - Picked up
Acuna Jr - Picked up
Trea Turner - Picked up
Mookie Betts - Picked up
Ketel Marte - Picked up
Alex Bergman - Picked up
Gleybor Torres - Picked up
Bryce Harper - Picked up

These are just a few off the top of my head. It's clear the FA game is where it's at.

[SoutheastBeast1]

Key word.

Here's the first two rounds last year.



How many of these players became Superstars? The upper echelon of players rarely turns over. Usually only a couple new players every year. Then you got players like Ketel Marte who aren't drafted making that leap. Someone who I've really liked the past couple years just missed out on the leap.

I get it though I've done that in the past. Gambled on finding enough players in the draft to make up for average keepers. From experience it's harder to do that then just have elite keepers.

I'm irritated by teams thinking top ten hitters like Yelich/Devers/JRam are worth 5th round picks.

As a side note Trout was picked up as a FA. All the draft picks on the world wouldn't have gotten you Trout. neither here nor there.

2018 draft though:

JY - Gerrit Cole
Saalty - Luis Castillo


2017 draft:

Me - Gerrit Cole
Me - Anthony Rendon


2016 draft:

Saalty - Christian Yelich
Speed - Freddie Freeman



And as I mentioned previously this is with a lot of the talent getting dispersed in trades to other teams prior to the draft in these years. Imagine it doesn't, you'd have more than 2 examples each year

[saaltydog]

2018 draft though:

JY - Gerrit Cole
Saalty - Luis Castillo


2017 draft:

Me - Gerrit Cole
Me - Anthony Rendon


2016 draft:

Saalty - Christian Yelich
Speed - Freddie Freeman



And as I mentioned previously this is with a lot of the talent getting dispersed in trades to other teams prior to the draft in these years. Imagine it doesn't, you'd have more than 2 examples each year

Not sure what the point of this post is. A few of those examples the player sucked the year they were drafted.

[saaltydog]

Here's some recent examples of drafts from teams that had **** ton of picks.

Bacon 2016:



Me 2017:



Bateman 2019:



Mel 2019:




That's a whole lotta nothing. Didn't change a teams destiny that's for sure.

[Jyeatbvg]

Every year it seems we have this discussion, and every year we come to the same conclusion - it all matters to an extent but the most important thing is the manager. I'll put my money on saalty every year over any other manager in this league, whether he has no picks and great keepers or all the picks and crap keepers. If you're a crap manager you'll do poorly regardless of the hand you're dealt. Bateman failed with all early picks, but he hasn't really proven he'd be successful with Trout, Yelich, Bellinger, Cole and Verlander as keepers either. Meanwhile, I'll still see saalty as a threat with no early picks and a keeper core of scrubs because he knows what he's doing.

Bottom line: whatever the fuk happens pre-season, I can name 4 or 5 of this year's playoff teams already.


H: Altuve
H: Bogaerts
P: Cole
P: Snell
H/P: Giolito
10+: Bryant

[Iceman1800]

I'm not really disagreeing with this but what's the alternative? Last season I had major injuries to my top players so I knew I was done. I traded away players for picks since we can't keep them all anyway. There'll be players out there on draft day that can help build a quality team and having more picks in the early rounds will help with that. I'm confident that I'll be competitive this season. I'm sure I've done more research already than any one else here. I already know which position I'm filling with each pick unless someone drops to me that I thought would be gone. I'm not discounting any other manager's abilities, I'm just improving mine. I will be in the playoffs and plan on being there the final week. We shall see.

[saaltydog]

I'm not really disagreeing with this but what's the alternative? Last season I had major injuries to my top players so I knew I was done. I traded away players for picks since we can't keep them all anyway. There'll be players out there on draft day that can help build a quality team and having more picks in the early rounds will help with that. I'm confident that I'll be competitive this season. I'm sure I've done more research already than any one else here. I already know which position I'm filling with each pick unless someone drops to me that I thought would be gone. I'm not discounting any other manager's abilities, I'm just improving mine. I will be in the playoffs and plan on being there the final week. We shall see.

Everyone deals with injuries.

[SoutheastBeast1]

Not sure what the point of this post is. A few of those examples the player sucked the year they were drafted.

I'm not sure what the point of your post is.

Sounds like you're highly rustled you can't move players right now. This is above and beyond krazy complaining about Scherzer. You've literally gone to the extent of posting my full blown 2016 draft to convince other people to trade you their picks

LMAO


All I've said is let people do what they want to do and understand you all took risks that are out of your control. If you bought on players mid-season you're not owed draft picks come offseason. If you stocked up on picks mid-season, you aren't owed the teams with overflow dumping better players back in the draft.

Either way, you should all just shut the f*ck up and accept the risks you took when you made the deals you made like adults.

Not go on some long ass rant posting multiple years/rounds of drafts crying that other managers are making a bad decision because it negatively impacts your ability to strike a deal

[propreffered7]

But you had to have gotten those players at some point in the draft.

dont agree

I'm irritated by teams thinking top ten hitters like Yelich/Devers/JRam are worth 5th round picks.

lold. same here. this is what ive encountered every year

im more apathetic now, as ive never had a full slate of picks and still make the playoffs

i agree with bacon, let them do whatever they want; it's still stupid

[saaltydog]

I'm not sure what the point of your post is.

Sounds like you're highly rustled you can't move players right now. This is above and beyond krazy complaining about Scherzer. You've literally gone to the extent of posting my full blown 2016 draft to convince other people to trade you their picks

LMAO


All I've said is let people do what they want to do and understand you all took risks that are out of your control. If you bought on players mid-season you're not owed draft picks come offseason. If you stocked up on picks mid-season, you aren't owed the teams with overflow dumping better players back in the draft.

Either way, you should all just shut the f*ck up and accept the risks you took when you made the deals you made like adults.

Not go on some long ass rant posting multiple years/rounds of drafts crying that other managers are making a bad decision because it negatively impacts your ability to strike a deal

I deal with luxury goods. There's always demaned. I have multiple offers out there that I could accept right now. Two of which include 1st rounders. Just waiting to pull the trigger. So be patient grasshopper.

While I'm wheeling and dealing why don't you go suck on JYs teet for some extra scraps while preaching about letting all the players fall into the draft ****ing hypocrite.

[Iceman1800]

I'm at a total loss of what your point is then. If I join the league with a set of keepers already, how am I magically going to get better players without trading draft picks or getting lucky in the draft or on the waiver wire.