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    Also to make it clear I personally don't have a problem with teams choosing 1 keeper from their team then everyone drafting for a second. If anything it benefits me since I'd have the first pick. At this point though its the principal of it.
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    - Adding a 2nd N/A rookie keeper slot -

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    Ehh depending on spring. If alonso looks like hell make,opening day roster or reyes gets hurt or looks like hell start or something

    I may move osuna out and just slot reyes or alonso into my keepers if that were the case
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    Speed/Bacon, I haven't received an email from Yahoo yet. I'm fine with second N/A spot.

    Been slammed at work and studying for my CFA exam I'm out of the loop on everything baseball right now. Need to catch up real quick.
    I need an email to transfer your team to
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    My rookie and 2 N/A's are posted in my keeper post.
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    Originally Posted by Iceman1800 View Post
    My rookie and 2 N/A's are posted in my keeper post.
    Gotcha totally over looked that.

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    I’m fine redrafting for the second N/A but I’m putting this 100% on Jyeatbvg to make sure everyone makes selections in a timely manner since you’re the one requiring a draft for the second slot slowing down the process

    This means you also need to determine and complete who will be drafting for the first N/A slot while leaving enough time after to make sure you can get the 2nd slot drafting in (and make sure no one is drafted who is ineligible on someone’s team for the first slot drafting like normal, before all are dumped back in for round 2).

    This also all needs to be done before the regular draft, which ideally will be weekend of March 23rd.

    Most probably won’t want to draft until midway through spring training to be informed on prospects so you’re gonna have a pretty short window to get all this required drafting done.
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    Originally Posted by saaltydog View Post
    I wasnt a problem before but now you feel like youre at a disadvantage so you want to change the rules. You're not about fairness as a whole. You're about yourself.

    Like I said before I would advocate everyone picking 1 rookie keeper from their team. Every other player goes into a player pool and we draft for the second keeper. But that would reward you with the second pick in a draft filled with top rookie talent. Seems like that is all you care about. Getting an advantage over others.
    Lol of course I'm advocating for my advantage. Who wouldn't? But just because I am doesn't make it wrong. Like you said, Soroka/James/Alonso probably won't Trout it up next year. I couldn't care less who the guys are; what's important is that you're keeping them as opposed to throwing them back in. And it sets a dangerous precedent. Should all future new keeper slots be like this where anyone who is fortunate enough to have a guy gets to keep him? Should I advocate for an extra pitcher slot this year so I can keep Kershaw? Should I stack up on N/A guys this year just in case we decide to add another N/A guy next year? Teams should have the ability to plan for league changes, regardless of how little or big an impact it'll have.

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    I dont see the problem if people have 2 NA eligible guys; they suffered the consequences for carrying them last year. Moreso than those that didnt lol, cause no matter what that 2nd guy was just an empty roster spot

    Or i guess in the case guys were playing but didnt pass thresholds they werent, but thats more rare
    You all chose to keep these guys either to trade them or to see who might shoot up the boards during the offseason. You didn't keep them because you'd be able to keep them this year. That's the difference. It was luck, not skill - and that's a dangerous precedent to base rules off of.
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    By the way, I don't have the time/energy to start WW3 over this. Whatever happens, happens. Not even half the league has posted so it'd be preferable to get their opinions.

    My main point is that everyone should have the ability to plan for league changes. It shouldn't come down to luck where some teams advantage over others because, for example, they just happened to have those guys on their squads (for reasons other than planning for an extra keeper spot).
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    Like I said I'm personally not against drafting for that second N/A keeper. Im just not ok with people who go along with things in the past (right or wrong) because it benefits them. Then as soon as it leaves them at a disadvantage they make a big deal about it and want change. Kind of like Ohtani last year.

    JY if you had Vlad + whoever else is considered the next best prospect we wouldn't be having this discussion. If you won the league in 2017 and had the opportunity to draft Othani you wouldn't have made a huge fuss about him being eligible. I'm consistent I don't change my mind of things because someone else is getting something I'm not
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    I don’t have a problem with a total draft for the other slot

    But from a timing and coordination perspective does make it more difficult for an otherwise minor “advantage” from letting people just keep two if they have two rather than force them to draft.

    And since you’re the only one that seems it’s worth it to make it more difficult rather than just let people keep a 2nd guy they already have, it’s really only fair your the one saddled with the responsibility of making sure it gets done.

    Like I said, happy to draft for it. But I’m not coordinating a full scale offline style draft, sending pms to let people know it’s their pick etc. that subsequently has to follow the elective first slot draft in what will certainly be a very limited window of time.
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    Originally Posted by Jyeatbvg View Post
    Lol of course I'm advocating for my advantage. Who wouldn't? But just because I am doesn't make it wrong. Like you said, Soroka/James/Alonso probably won't Trout it up next year. I couldn't care less who the guys are; what's important is that you're keeping them as opposed to throwing them back in. And it sets a dangerous precedent. Should all future new keeper slots be like this where anyone who is fortunate enough to have a guy gets to keep him? Should I advocate for an extra pitcher slot this year so I can keep Kershaw? Should I stack up on N/A guys this year just in case we decide to add another N/A guy next year? Teams should have the ability to plan for league changes, regardless of how little or big an impact it'll have.


    You all chose to keep these guys either to trade them or to see who might shoot up the boards during the offseason. You didn't keep them because you'd be able to keep them this year. That's the difference. It was luck, not skill - and that's a dangerous precedent to base rules off of.
    I added them because they were close to mlb ready and could use them whichever way i wanted. But, again, i suffered the consequences of carrying them last year, so i dont see the problem. Lol

    Those that used their full roster get all of the benefits of that without carrying the guy, so, again, i dont see the problem. Literally more advantageous to have not wasted that roster spot and get to draft

    2 of 14 teams, ill include saalty even though hes not complaining (literally youre the only one who is) had the ability to use foresight to add people for keeping during the last week. Since i was in 3rd/ 4th place matchup and that matchup didnt matter. Championship was the only matchup where it could have impacted, but seeing as saalty managed..

    You could just as likely argue thats lack of foresight

    Anyways, i dont really care. Ill make it happen regardless
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    Like I said I'm personally not against drafting for that second N/A keeper. Im just not ok with people who go along with things in the past (right or wrong) because it benefits them. Then as soon as it leaves them at a disadvantage they make a big deal about it and want change. Kind of like Ohtani last year.
    Ohtani was a first time scenario because he was a super-keeper. We hadn't contemplated that when we first made the rules. I'm still not okay with what happened and still think guys like that shouldn't be N/A eligible. I'd be more vocal on the issue if Ohtani didn't get injured and instead finished the year a top 20 guy. If it happens again where another Ohtani shows up, I'll feel the same way.

    You keep focusing on selfish JY. To be honest, I'd feel guilty if we decided to add a keeper slot and I advantaged just because I had a guy. If I had Vlad JR and Forrest I'd be saying the same chit. Whether you believe that or not is a different story. Rules can change if it benefits the league. What's worse is keeping the status quo just because it's been done in the past. League will never improve that way.
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    I added them because they were close to mlb ready and could use them whichever way i wanted. But, again, i suffered the consequences of carrying them last year, so i dont see the problem. Lol

    Those that used their full roster get all of the benefits of that without carrying the guy, so, again, i dont see the problem. Literally more advantageous to have not wasted that roster spot and get to draft

    2 of 12 teams, ill include saalty even though hes not complaining (literally youre the only one who is) had the ability to use foresight to add people for keeping during the last week. Since i was in 3rd/ 4th place matchup and that matchup didnt matter. Championship was the only matchup where it could have impacted, but seeing as saalty managed..

    You could just as likely argue thats lack of foresight

    Anyways, i dont really care. Ill make it happen regardless
    You had the foresight of adding them and you can reap the benefits. You can trade them to someone who doesn't have a good N/A guy. Or you can wait until the draft to choose who you get to keep. But the second N/A keeper wasn't contemplated is my point. You didn't add these guys because you knew we'd be able to add a second N/A guy this year. If that was common knowledge, perhaps the other non-playoff teams would've stacked N/A guys while we were all fighting in the playoffs. Would that have happened? Don't know for sure, but it could've - and that's why it's only fair that teams get time to plan for changes.
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    Originally Posted by Jyeatbvg View Post
    You had the foresight of adding them and you can reap the benefits. You can trade them to someone who doesn't have a good N/A guy. Or you can wait until the draft to choose who you get to keep. But the second N/A keeper wasn't contemplated is my point. You didn't add these guys because you knew we'd be able to add a second N/A guy this year.
    No. I didnt. But like i said. Isnt it more advantageous to have used a full roster and then get the benefits of the guys being thrown back?

    Aint nobody trading for a different na guy though

    Also 12 teams had the same capability i did seeing i was in the 2nd most impactful matchup and managed
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    I remember steeze being upset bacon and i added the guys we did the last week. So, he might be the only opposition. And maybe not toward 2 na's but being able to choose 2 na's this year
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    No. I didnt. But like i said. Isnt it more advantageous to have used a full roster and then get the benefits of the guys being thrown back?

    Aint nobody trading for a different na guy though

    Also 12 teams had the same capability i did seeing i was in the 2nd most impactful matchup and managed
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    I remember steeze being upset bacon and i added the guys we did the last week. So, he might be the only opposition. And maybe not toward 2 na's but being able to choose 2 na's this year
    Listen man, if everyone knew we'd be keeping two N/A guys this year and still only 2 teams had the foresight to stack N/A guys, all the power to them. No problem with that. It's their choice what strategy they use to benefit their team next year, as long as everyone's in the loop and is able to plan accordingly. Making a decision without warning is my problem.
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    Listen man, if everyone knew we'd be keeping two N/A guys this year and still only 2 teams had the foresight to stack N/A guys, all the power to them. No problem with that. It's their choice what strategy they use to benefit their team next year, as long as everyone's in the loop and is able to plan accordingly. Making a decision without warning is my problem.
    Ok, so i remember in years past (since you like your old rules) if a guy was on a roster he wasnt eligible.

    For instance, i had brinson on my roster and i wasnt keeping him. For that NA draft though he wasnt eligible for the guys selecting their na's in the separate draft

    Using the same rules, my guys arent eligible for the na draft correct?

    Or is it gonna be changing the rules to include them

    Once again, i dont really care. I already told you i may change my keepers around or something. But just seeing if youre sticking to the old rules seeing as you couldnt foresee this happening
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    Originally Posted by propreffered7 View Post
    Ok, so i remember in years past (since you like your old rules) if a guy was on a roster he wasnt eligible.

    For instance, i had brinson on my roster and i wasnt keeping him. For that NA draft though he wasnt eligible for the guys selecting their na's in the separate draft

    Using the same rules, my guys arent eligible for the na draft correct?

    Or is it gonna be changing the rules to include them

    Once again, i dont really care. I already told you i may change my keepers around or something. But just seeing if youre sticking to the old rules seeing as you couldnt foresee this happening
    I think you are correct. Guys that are currently on rosters are not eligible for the N/A draft. After the N/A draft, they are thrown back into the normal draft where they're open game.


    As for the N/A draft, I'm honestly not sure what the fairest way to do this is. I think everyone gets to choose one N/A guy, but not sure what the order would be if teams aren't keeping any. I think we still use the same order saalty posted above, but fill in the guys being kept in the first round and then go from there. NOT SURE THOUGH, would prefer to wait until rest of league is here to discuss.
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    My whole point is there was no advantage to a 2nd na last year. Actually a disadvantage

    Maybe guys like saalty are a lil lucky to be able to use james and then still have him under milb eligibility or maybe he would have been better with someone with more innings last year

    But the consequences of carrying them are already baked in
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    Originally Posted by Jyeatbvg View Post
    I think you are correct. Guys that are currently on rosters are not eligible for the N/A draft. After the N/A draft, they are thrown back into the normal draft where they're open game.
    Yea, steeze might be mad about that. But thats what i remember as well

    Anyways, as i said, i dont really care. Ill jump around to whatever. Ill even throw the guys i dont keep back in. Just want to nullify the advantageous position. Was more advantageous to use a full roster spot than carry a 2nd na guy
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    Just curious was Miguel Andujar or Juan Soto even kept as prospects last year?

    Seems like there’s equally as many prospects for your draft that can turn in superstar years as there are that were drafted who turned in superstar years (Acuna and Ohtani)

    What about Walker Buehler or Jack Flaherty or even Brian Anderson, Joey Wendle, or Daniel Palka? Gleybor Torres was drafted for sure (by Jyeatbvg himself)


    I list these guys because these are your rookies who had the biggest impact on 2018.

    10 best rookies, 3 of them actually drafted


    Any excuse for missing out on a good N/A has nothing to do with others preparing in advance taking all the good prospects who will have an impact

    The impact prospects are not all taken, and the results above are a straight up fact there’s a very good chance not even half of them are taken
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    Originally Posted by propreffered7 View Post
    Yea, steeze might be mad about that. But thats what i remember as well

    Anyways, as i said, i dont really care. Just want to nullify the advantageous position. Was more advantageous to use a full roster spot than carry a 2nd na guy
    How about for the non-playoff teams? Not the case right?


    Anyways, I'll check back in with y'all later tonight - got chit to do at work.
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    Saalty’s format only makes sense if we are letting people have the option to keep two players.

    Otherwise we’re just holding two top to bottom drafts

    We do the first one like normal, people can keep and opt out of the draft (also holding control of any additional prospects making those ineligible for people selecting in this first draft)

    Then we have a full scale draft, again top to bottom where all rights are lost at this point for the new slot. All prospects rights are relinquished following that first slot draft anyway (and subsequently dumped into the regular draft). So it’s the same thing, we’re just holding an additional full scale prospect draft sandwiched between the first slot n/a and regular draft this time.

    Not sure why the order would suddenly snake though. In the future sure it makes sense. But because this was unprepared for and required snaking doesn’t make sense to me.
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    Originally Posted by Jyeatbvg View Post
    How about for the non-playoff teams? Not the case right?


    Anyways, I'll check back in with y'all later tonight - got chit to do at work.
    Yea, technically they may have finished worse last year, which is a disadvantage (in regard to last year). But they shouldnt be complaining. As i just stated, 12 teams had the same capability i did.

    There are more nuances to it. But i mean.. I got fuked by my na slot last year once again

    Reyes and kopech. I carried both knowing kopech was close (but white sox were phags) which left an empty spot for much of the year. Then when kopech was called up i put reyes back

    So, like i said, there are more nuances to this. I just dont really see the fuss when the consequences already happened
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    Doolittle is still available for a reasonable draft pick
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    Originally Posted by SoutheastBeast1 View Post
    Saalty’s format only makes sense if we are letting people have the option to keep two players.

    Otherwise we’re just holding two top to bottom drafts

    We do the first one like normal, people can keep and opt out of the draft (also holding control of any additional prospects making those ineligible for people selecting in this first draft)

    Then we have a full scale draft, again top to bottom where all rights are lost at this point for the new slot. All prospects rights are relinquished following that first slot draft anyway (and subsequently dumped into the regular draft). So it’s the same thing, we’re just holding an additional full scale prospect draft sandwiched between the first slot n/a and regular draft this time.

    Not sure why the order would suddenly snake though. In the future sure it makes sense. But because this was unprepared for and required snaking doesn’t make sense to me.
    This sounds fine to me. Only reason I'd be against it is because JY gets the second pick. That's all he cares about. He doesn't care about fairness for the league. Just whatever advantage be can get. His intentions are what bothers me. Not to mention it just really isn't that big of a ****ing deal. Like you said most of the top rookies weren't even kept or drafted last year. It's all a **** show. No one has an advantage over someone else since we don't even know who's going to pan out.
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    Originally Posted by saaltydog View Post
    This sounds fine to me. Only reason I'd be against it is because JY gets the second pick. That's all he cares about. He doesn't care about fairness for the league. Just whatever advantage be can get. His intentions are what bothers me. Not to mention it just really isn't that big of a ****ing deal. Like you said most of the top rookies weren't even kept or drafted last year. It's all a **** show. No one has an advantage over someone else since we don't even know who's going to pan out.
    I think the odds are against him (or anyone else) drafting an impact rookie so I don’t care who gets second pick

    I don’t care if we pull the order out of a hat and I get last pick.

    Whatever advantage he thinks he’ll get is such a ****ing illusion, let him have that illusion if it makes him feel better. Just lol at him
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    I know why you don’t want him to have 2nd pick as well, I get your reasoning. I don’t have the time or energy to make things that have no difference more complicated out of spite this year.

    So imo full draft if he wants it, he can have second pick in both. Not even gonna worry about fighting that

    But like I said he’s responsible for those selections being made in the full scale draft since he’s so against letting people keep 2 which I think will be more difficult than he realizes. In the past it’s taken multiple days to get selections made with only a handful of people in the firsts slot optional draft and he wants to add on a full scale draft in addition to the first slot optional draft.

    If he doesn’t complete it in time I’m scrapping his full scale draft and letting people keep two (so feel free to keep posting two guys you’d keep so when he runs short on time...which I think is a 50/50 chance if I had to predict... I know who you all want as your second guy, lol)
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    Originally Posted by SoutheastBeast1 View Post
    I think the odds are against him (or anyone else) drafting an impact rookie so I don’t care who gets second pick

    I don’t care if we pull the order out of a hat and I get last pick.

    Whatever advantage he thinks he’ll get is such a ****ing illusion, let him have that illusion if it makes him feel better. Just lol at him
    Alright well if we do it this way we at least need to get the first N/A draft started/underway since it isn't done real time. It will obviously follow the same rules as previous seasons.

    Here is the order. Everyone needs to pick ONE keeper from their team that they want to keep. If you don't want to keep one or don't have one you'll be in the draft below. Just remember for this first draft you cannot choose any rookies that are on another person's team.

    1. Saaltydog - Nick Senzel
    2. JYeatbvg
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    6. Chill Will
    7. Bacon
    8. Speed demon
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