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    Originally Posted by SamFisherN View Post
    I too had the same thought. But food won't digest that quick. Atleast for me.
    If I hit a gym just after 30min of food, my stomach gets weird. All gassy. Ugh..
    If it's after an hour, I feel a lot of energy. I totally agree food helps.
    BUT, sleep is important too for evey person. Waking one more hour early to eat will be counter productive.

    Your timings of morning workout, gaps between wake up and food, between food and workout please?
    I wake up at different hours, but the very first thing I do is make my coffee and pour myself a full bowl of Ezekiel sprouted whole grain cereal with Fairlife skim milk (easier to digest!). You could buy any 100% whole grain cereal (there are a few other brands that are non-GMO and possibly easier for digestion, at any supermarket). And it only takes me 5 minutes to eat it- no cooking skills required. If you don't cold cereal in the morning, you could try the Ezekiel whole grain bread (it's a lot cheaper) and make a PBJ sandwich with natural peanut butter....and have your banana for potassium too. No matter what time I train (including mornings), I always eat roughly 2 hours ahead of time. I end up eating every few hours (little meals, always complete proteins, complex carbs and some "good fats" like raw unsalted nuts or cooking with a little extra virgin olive oil). I eat Greek yogurt....***e plain or Dannon fat free with stevia as the sweetener. Pro and prebiotics are good for your health. You may have to find a whey protein isolate bar that doesn't contain sugar alcohols; I like Quest Protein bars that are sweetened with stevia only, for easier digestion, hopefully. I admit I have to eat more veggies as a good carb source, but that's the basics (give and take little cheat foods every other day) of my "diet." In other words, I don't "formally" record timing of food intake with regards to training or count calories- I only know I'm never without fuel. But, I know everyone is different. One last thing though- it's important to stay hydrated before, during and after your workouts. But, the exact amount of hydration needed is.....guess what? Different for everyone also.
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    I’ve only been lifting for a year, but I always do it in the morning. Before that, I’ve had a decade and a half of running (10k, usually, or in the neighborhood) first thing in the morning, which has a far greater energy dependency.

    Everybody’s body is different, but I suspect a large part of it is simply self control. If it’s your only option, you find a way to get it done. Eventually it becomes normal and then eventually maybe even preferred.
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    Originally Posted by Corbets View Post
    I’ve only been lifting for a year, but I always do it in the morning. Before that, I’ve had a decade and a half of running (10k, usually, or in the neighborhood) first thing in the morning, which has a far greater energy dependency.

    Everybody’s body is different, but I suspect a large part of it is simply self control. If it’s your only option, you find a way to get it done. Eventually it becomes normal and then eventually maybe even preferred.
    What do you mean by "it is simply self control"? Not eating breakfast? I'm not being sarcastic...just trying to clarify your post.
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    Originally Posted by etet1919 View Post
    All of your posts are so "on target." I believe that if you are disciplined enough to wake up every morning at 2:30 AM, you COULD PROBABLY find it within yourself to get up 10-15 minutes earlier to eat some complete protein source and a little bowl of cereal with lots of complex carbs.....unless you're downing a whey protein isolate shake instead? I'm not telling anybody what to do, not at all!! I'm genuinely surprised that some (maybe a lot?) of people who workout in the morning don't eat breakfast. I live for breakfast and my morning coffee.
    I have no reason to wake up earlier then 3 to eat when training fasted works too.
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    Originally Posted by health4life24 View Post
    I have no reason to wake up earlier then 3 to eat when training fasted works too.
    Alrighty....I'll take your word for it because your advice is always on target. Btw, the earliest I've ever had to get up to train was at 4:00 am, and I thought that was rough. And you do this almost every day for a couple of hours. Great discipline, really!!
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    Originally Posted by etet1919 View Post
    Alrighty....I'll take your word for it because your advice is always on target. Btw, the earliest I've ever had to get up to train was at 4:00 am, and I thought that was rough. And you do this almost every day for a couple of hours. Great discipline, really!!
    When you get up that early every minute of sleep counts which is why I wouldn’t want up wake up before 3 am.
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    Just to add another early AM story.

    I go to bed around 9:00, wake up at 3:45ish every day (no alarm). Pop out of bed pretty excited to work out. I seem to be the only one here...but I sip on a preworkout (about 250mg caffeine) on days I work, coffee on days I’m off, while I check emails and this forum for about a half hour. In the gym in my basement around 4:15. Eat breakfast afterward.

    Been doing this, well for 8 years now. On occasion, on a day off, I’ll work out a bit later...but these workouts are always substandard. I’m a morning person all around though.
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    Originally Posted by grubman View Post
    Just to add another early AM story.

    I go to bed around 9:00, wake up at 3:45ish every day (no alarm). Pop out of bed pretty excited to work out. I seem to be the only one here...but I sip on a preworkout (about 250mg caffeine) on days I work, coffee on days I’m off, while I check emails and this forum for about a half hour. In the gym in my basement around 4:15. Eat breakfast afterward.

    Been doing this, well for 8 years now. On occasion, on a day off, I’ll work out a bit later...but these workouts are always substandard. I’m a morning person all around though.
    You're another extremely disciplined lifter, as well! I'm getting back into my normal workout regimen now (after battling recent sleep deprivation issues), but I admit, my motivation seems to be severally affected by my current "gym environment." That's why I'm wishing more companies (commercial gyms) would buy the air assault bikes (that's the only reason motivating me to travel "10 miles" to get there).

    To stay on topic: I'd be an even "deader fish" if I didn't eat a decent breakfast before hitting this gym!!
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    Originally Posted by etet1919 View Post
    You're another extremely disciplined lifter, as well! I'm getting back into my normal workout regimen now (after battling recent sleep deprivation issues), but I admit, my motivation seems to be severally affected by my current "gym environment." That's why I'm wishing more companies (commercial gyms) would buy the air assault bikes (that's the only reason motivating me to travel "10 miles" to get there).

    To stay on topic: I'd be an even "deader fish" if I didn't eat a decent breakfast before hitting this gym!!
    I’ve experimented a lot with eating before, especially with “quick” carbs, like a banana blended with a pre-workout, rice cakes, even a bit of whey isolate. None of them worked for me. I need to be fasted with a nice empty stomach...and the morning is the best time for that, so win/win!
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    Oh...I’d also like to add, I think that “no alarm” I mentioned is EXTREMELY important. There is a VAST difference in the quality of an early AM workout when you wake up on your own as opposed to being woken up by an alarm.
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    Originally Posted by WapanCakes View Post
    Plenty of people lift fasted. If you don't feel any issue doing so, you can workout.
    I struggle to lift weights in the AM, food or not. If it works for you, do it.
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    Originally Posted by etet1919 View Post
    What do you mean by "it is simply self control"? Not eating breakfast? I'm not being sarcastic...just trying to clarify your post.
    Forcing yourself to train when your body is sending signals that you should be eating instead (or signals that your brain interprets that way, anyway).

    Push through it the same way you’d push through any other limitation.
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    I'm another morning workout person. Work and family schedule is too unpredictable in the afternoon to be consistent and the gym is packed so I go in the morning. The schedule is to bed by 9pm, up at 4:15am, in the gym by 5am. If it's a lifting day I consume caffeine and a very small amount of protein about 4:30am. If I running I replace that meal with some simple carbs. I don't like protein or caffeine before a run , just me. On Saturday I'm up early as well.

    On the days when I've gone to the gym at 9am and have eaten a meal I see no difference in performance compared to the 5am workout.
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    Best workouts I have ever had, have been in the mornings. Always had breakfast first though. Basically cereal. My biggest meal is lunch, so it worked out great.

    I don't do cardio before weightlifting.

    Shift change means I work out later now. Much much harder I find.
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    Oh...I’d also like to add, I think that “no alarm” I mentioned is EXTREMELY important. There is a VAST difference in the quality of an early AM workout when you wake up on your own as opposed to being woken up by an alarm.
    I found that most of the time I wake up on my own a little while before the alarm goes off because my body is accustomed to this schedule. Once you do it for a while you get used to it.

    But I still set the alarm as a backup lol.
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    Originally Posted by health4life24 View Post
    But I still set the alarm as a backup lol.
    Oh, same here...got a job to go to

    But I’m guessing, like me, every now and then you sleep right up until the alarm going off...and when you do, are your workouts (and morning) are a bit more groggy? Or don’t you notice a difference?
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    Originally Posted by grubman View Post
    Oh, same here...got a job to go to

    But I’m guessing, like me, every now and then you sleep right up until the alarm going off...and when you do, are your workouts (and morning) are a bit more groggy? Or don’t you notice a difference?
    I never really have an issue with being tired. Unless I got to bed a lot later then I should’ve. If I was in a deep sleep and wake up to the alarm I might be groggy while I’m getting ready but I consider myself a morning person so, it passes usually.
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    I wake up at 3am on most training days. Enough time for a cup of coffee or two, my morning cleanse on the toilet, and then I warm up and usually am moving before 4am. I usually get in 45-60 minutes of hard PT then start prepping breakfast while fitting in my stretches. Eat breakfast and do the rest of my morning routine, then a quick shower and shave and off to work by 6am. Usually in bed by 9pm.

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    Originally Posted by grubman View Post
    I’ve experimented a lot with eating before, especially with “quick” carbs, like a banana blended with a pre-workout, rice cakes, even a bit of whey isolate. None of them worked for me. I need to be fasted with a nice empty stomach...and the morning is the best time for that, so win/win!
    I like to hear your schedule. What you say is very similar to what I aim.
    You say:
    Pre - A coffee. With or without sugar?
    You start working out one hour after you have woken up.
    Now I'd also like to know for how long do you work out?
    Any carb or protein drinks before or during workout?

    Your schedule might help me a lot.
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    Originally Posted by SamFisherN View Post
    I like to hear your schedule. What you say is very similar to what I aim.
    You say:
    Pre - A coffee. With or without sugar?
    You start working out one hour after you have woken up.
    Now I'd also like to know for how long do you work out?
    Any carb or protein drinks before or during workout?

    Your schedule might help me a lot.
    Think I answered that above...but

    -wake up
    -drink pre
    -read emails (30 min)
    -hit the gym
    -workout 45-75 min (volume periodization)
    -eat breakfast (sip on Fairlife chockalate milk while cooking).
    -shower
    -go to work

    As far as sugar...that’s a very quickly digested form of energy, but some people “crash” fast after a sugar “high”.
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