UFC Fight Night DISCUSSION THREAD: Cejudo vs. Dillashaw

[jfindon]

Does seem like he's a bit sour, but rightfully so I say. Like he said, it's a champ vs champ, let the fight go a few seconds longer until it's definitive. Figthter safety blah blah blah, these guys know what they're doing and they're in a championship match, no one in the world would want it stopped that way. Give him a shot of recovering or let him take a bit more damage so there's no contention about a championship fight. I'm with Dana for once.

[doughnutking]

Getting warmed up by eating shots to the head and panic wrestling on your knees..

that's my TJ for you

[MyBaddBrah]

I can see why you think it's dogchit. You think referees have a capacity-meter in their pockets. If only they did, we might be having a different conversation.

Unfortunately, since the athletic commissions can't afford one, the referee's job is as follows:

1. Check to see if the fighter is intelligently defending himself.
2. Check on the safety of the fighter.

Interesting What pay per view stream comes with the fighters health meter at the top like Street Fighter? I'd definitely pay extra for that

I want you guys to take the last 100 TKOs in the UFC. Maybe 50 if you don't feel like gathering more data.

Now, compare TJ's capacity to fight against those 50-100 TKOs. Put a percentile on how capable he was of continuing the fight. Where does he fall? 90th percentile? 95th percentile? 99th?



Then, bring it forth to your mind that this is a 2 belt superfight.
















Bottom line is the ref completely blew the decision. President of the UFC thinks so. Professional commentator Chael Sonnen thinks so. Imagine if they compared this TKO to al the others. LMAO!

[KingSWRV]

^ thats gonna be a yikes for me dawg

[DrewDarden]

Bottom line is the ref completely blew the decision. President of the UFC thinks so. Professional commentator Chael Sonnen thinks so. Imagine if they compared this TKO to al the others. LMAO!

Welcome to the sport of MMA. There are a thousand talking heads, including Chael and Dana. Those two thought it was a bad call. Many more think it was a good call, including many "professionals."

Also much as I like Chael, it's well known that Chael is the worst analyst in the business (serious).

Anyway, I'm not sure what you mean when you say you want me to "take the last 50 fights", but I'll tell you this: I've watched countless thousands of fights over the past three decades, so I'm comfortable with my opinion that the stoppage was good.

The referee did his job. He followed the criteria. Could he have let it go on longer and still had an argument that he had followed the criteria? Maybe. There is some level of subjectivity there.

[sooby]

Interesting What pay per view stream comes with the fighters health meter at the top like Street Fighter? I'd definitely pay extra for that

just lmao if you don't own a scouter that can measure a person's power level as well as health and stamina meter add-ons

also lol if it doesn't make this sound every time you vanquish your enemy

[VegasLifter26]

Agreed it was definitly early....think back on the cyborg/nunes fight...the ref let it go until it was definite.Keep in mind these are 125ers and they dont hit like heavyweights. Plus, add on to the fact that its a superfight (which means there is more on the line for these fighters so they should get every opportunity to win/lose)

That being said TJ definitly lost i dont see any way he could have come back from that. He should have accepted defeat.

[Zwicker]

Lol... Watched the fight yesterday morning and didn't check the Misc/Youtube, etc for reviews all yesterday. I shouldn't be surprised by the reactions, but once again, I am.

The fact that it was a title fight shouldn't change the referee's job, which is to protect the fighters from taking excessive damage. The stoppage was perfectly fine. Some people seem to think that mma should adopt a "tap out or get knocked unconscious" set of rules. Just because, in the past, people have been knocked out momentarily, recovered, and come back to win doesn't mean that's the norm. Those were poor decisions by the ref. Dana only cares about the money, so his opinion on "early" stoppages is pretty irrelevant. He's the biggest Just Bleed fan there is.

Fighters need to learn that if you are taking 5-10+ shots to the head simultaneously without proper defense/movement, the fight can, and should, be stopped. If the ref lets it continue (Dan Miragliotta), then that is the exception and not the rule. TJ was taking shots without even covering or mounting an offensive shot. He barely had his wits about him enough to desperation wrestle as a last ditch effort. Then he was wobbling on his feet. He's just being a poor sport.

[FailedPotential]

Anyone see TJ's weight cut?

Yeah bro, gonna be a good idea to be on deaths door the day before you gotta perform at your best, makes sense, will do that again.

[EdwardTheGreat]

Anyone see TJ's weight cut?

Yeah bro, gonna be a good idea to be on deaths door the day before you gotta perform at your best, makes sense, will do that again.

Strong username to TJ's performance

[Scarrdbutsmartr]

If the fight had of gone on another 15-30 seconds there were be people claiming it was a late stoppage and that the refs job is to protect the fighters.....

[DrewDarden]

If the fight had of gone on another 15-30 seconds there were be people claiming it was a late stoppage and that the refs job is to protect the fighters.....

This.

Plus, why do I keep seeing people acting like the referee (Kevin McDonald) hasn't been around the block? I've been seeing him around for years now.

[LiftBigEatBig]

Stoppage was legit. TJ will get a chance to redeem himself at 135 and UFC gets another payday.

[hammercurl]

i thought it was an early stoppage only for the reason that i knew people and TJ would complain about it. 5 more secs and all doubts would have been erased.



anyway. go to 11;38. Gve me a giggle.

[thatsnarf]

that autistic guy with cejudo with the glasses need to get kicked in the gums.

[nikeoneplatinum]

Nice to see Bermudez go out with a W. Seemed like one of the good guys.

[Zere0wn]

Can we talk about how boring Gregor Gillespie is? Really hope someone beats that guy so we don't have to see him with a belt.

Disclaimer: I only saw this fight.

[Aristotelian]

No he didn't.

That's bull**** and takes away from Cejudo's performance.

He looked like he always does.. the difference is these flyweights are faster than your 135ers so the stuff that you're used to seeing TJ dodge and evade didn't happen.

You're not aware that Cejudo himself "took away from his own performance" in the post fight interview? He himself mentioned the weight cut repeatedly (explicitly the affect it can have on someone) and offered to fight TJ again.

The stoppage was fine but just had to comment on this hyperbole.

[chacha15]

Anyone see TJ's weight cut?

Yeah bro, gonna be a good idea to be on deaths door the day before you gotta perform at your best, makes sense, will do that again.

[Deathstroke]

Honestly better than late stoppages, and an absolute just stoppage in this case. If Brock Lesnar vs. Shane Carwin had been stopped early when Carwin was unloading on him THEN I would have protested in that one.

[bartosh]

Bottom line is the ref completely blew the decision. President of the UFC thinks so. Professional commentator Chael Sonnen thinks so. Imagine if they compared this TKO to al the others. LMAO![/B]

The ONLY reason the president thinks so is because he more to gain from Cejudo losing than winning.

[DFS200]

My favorite mma fighter trope:

-"I keep track of everything I put in my body, i'm 100% clean."
- Takes 135 different unregulated supplements in a single day.
- Acts surprised at positive test result.

[MMAMatty]

It was a premature stoppage only because he was still defending himself. But another 20 seconds and he was outta there. It was early in the round, as well.

I'm a T.J. fan, but the ref probably did him a favor here. He'll live to fight another day.

[sooby]

I want you guys to take the last 100 TKOs in the UFC. Maybe 50 if you don't feel like gathering more data.

Now, compare TJ's capacity to fight against those 50-100 TKOs. Put a percentile on how capable he was of continuing the fight. Where does he fall? 90th percentile? 95th percentile? 99th?



Then, bring it forth to your mind that this is a 2 belt superfight.
















Bottom line is the ref completely blew the decision. President of the UFC thinks so. Professional commentator Chael Sonnen thinks so. Imagine if they compared this TKO to al the others. LMAO!

I mean Dana White would never tell lies and make up BS to give pretext for a rematch right?

[Gainzzz]

Whether or not you think the ref did TJ a favour is irrelevant. We have seen some crazy chit in this sport, and fighters deserve to be allowed to fight until they are truly beaten.

I'm not talking flat out unconscious taking shots, but TJ was not limp, he was moving, he jumped straight up. He got dropped/hurt twice but I really don't think he was completely out of the fight.

That said, I couldn't care less. It was a joke from the start. Let's send TJ down to win a belt in a division that will no longer exist so he can call himself the double champ. What a load of garb.

[jfindon]

Whether or not you think the ref did TJ a favour is irrelevant. We have seen some crazy chit in this sport, and fighters deserve to be allowed to fight until they are truly beaten.

I'm not talking flat out unconscious taking shots, but TJ was not limp, he was moving, he jumped straight up. He got dropped/hurt twice but I really don't think he was completely out of the fight.

That said, I couldn't care less. It was a joke from the start. Let's send TJ down to win a belt in a division that will no longer exist so he can call himself the double champ. What a load of garb.

This. And no one said "15-30 seconds more", 5 seconds more would have painted a clearer picture. It was early.

[nikeoneplatinum]

Here you have it, the Godfather of referee's say it was early. Starts at 7:00.



He even says that you have to consider who the two competitors are.

[Manletbolic]

Here you have it, the Godfather of referee's say it was early. Starts at 7:00.



He even says that you have to consider who the two competitors are.

He says he wouldve let it go but he could be wrong as well.

[MyBaddBrah]

Here you have it, the Godfather of referee's say it was early. Starts at 7:00.



He even says that you have to consider who the two competitors are.

in before the above morons who know nothing about MMA come back and make more excuses for the early stoppage

[VegasLifter26]

Here you have it, the Godfather of referee's say it was early. Starts at 7:00.



He even says that you have to consider who the two competitors are.

great buildup for fight #2