shove it up the EU's candy ass
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01-16-2019, 07:51 AM #211
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01-16-2019, 11:24 AM #212
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01-16-2019, 11:30 AM #213
The government beat a vote of no confidence. The first thing she said was that she'll be looking to amend the deal put forward to the EU that'd pass through parliament
The amendments discussed by the opposition parties were:
1) Rule out no deal
2) extend article 50
3) 2nd referendum
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01-16-2019, 11:52 AM #214
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01-16-2019, 11:54 AM #215
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01-16-2019, 01:22 PM #216
-UK voted to leave the EU in 2016. Leaving the EU is not immediate. March 2019 was set as the deadline for them to leave the Eu.
-there are many ways for them to do so, and in the past couple of years they have been deciding how to leave the EU. They could have a hard brexit, leaving the EU with no formal agreement with the EU on trade, customs, regulation, migration etc.. They could have a lite brexit where they leave the EU but remain in the free trade area, still have many migration treaties and still abide by many European regulations. And then a lot of scenarios in between. Most people in the UK prefer a Norwegian style agreement which maintains free trade with the EU but not many migration or regulation obligations. Many EU member states oppose this.
-over the past months, the EU and the UK have negotiated a potential deal for the UK to enter the EU. In order to proceed with this, the British parliament (think US congress) has to vote for it. A simple majority is required. The opposition parties (socialist labour, liberal democrats, and a few smaller parties) oppose it. Many of the euroscelgic parts of the government (a centre right conservative - DUP coalition) also oppose it though, and as a result it was voted against in parliament yesterday
-now there’s a ****show where it’s not clear what happens next. May is trying to negotiate a new deal with the EU which must be voted on again. If she fails to do so, she could resign and would likely be replaced with a harder eurosceptic. If they don’t negotiate a deal by the march deadline they leave with no deal unless the deadline is extended. It’s possible a vote of no confidence is called which would trigger a new election. It’s also possible a second brexit referendum is called which polls suggest would result in the UK remaining in the EU.
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01-16-2019, 01:24 PM #217
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01-16-2019, 01:28 PM #218
As someone who voted out, I still find it an interesting argument about immigration. I personally didn't vote out on the grounds of immigration - I have nothing against Eastern European girls moving here - the sloots who have migrated to the UK generally are way more HBB than native Brit sloots. If anything, I see the freedom of movement as a positive thing for myself personally and have actually greatly benefitted from it, in terms of the sloots I have been able to smash.
It's the fact that without immigration and an increased tax revenue base for the Government, many of the public services, especially pensions, would not be where they are today.
It's a simple fact that the UK native replacement rate is not keeping up with the amount of people that are getting to pension age. I see no easy solution to this unless people start reproducing more to ensure that there is a sufficient enough tax paying base to prop up public services and especially pensions.
Two years on from the original referendum, I still have a few reservations about Brexitalthough on the face of it, I would still prefer no deal than to remain)
1). In the EU, the UK had quite a lot of clout, being the second/third largest economy and made significant contributions to the budget. What would the UK's power be outside of the EU? Will it just become a rule taker and be dicked around by the EU/USA/China?
2). I'm not too trusting of our own politicians. Would they sell out the country to the highest bidder? By this, I mean, for example, lowering food standards to ensure a trade deal with the USA. Or letting foreign firms provide NHS services and therefore opening the NHS to more privitisation? I don't want either or those, personally. But we know how slimey our politicians are and once desperation hits in a no deal scenario, I can well see a bigger bloc, such as the USA or China, taking full advantage.
The main reason I voted out and still would vote out is because the EU has an extremely leftist social agenda and is slowly driving towards federalisation."It is not knowledge, but the act of learning, ... which grants the greatest enjoyment. When I have clarified and exhausted a subject, then I turn away from it, in order to go into darkness again ..." - Carl Friedrich Gauss
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01-16-2019, 01:33 PM #219
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01-16-2019, 03:50 PM #220
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No one sensible is against ALL immigration, but the ‘replacement rate’ is absolutely not 300k per year. It also needs to treat all people the same, whether they come from inside or outside the eu. The treatment of the ghurkas was absolutely disgusting, while we wave in every Eastern European potato picker.
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01-16-2019, 04:45 PM #221
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01-16-2019, 07:21 PM #222
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01-17-2019, 12:17 AM #223
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01-17-2019, 12:56 AM #224
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01-23-2019, 11:47 AM #225
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01-23-2019, 11:55 AM #226
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01-23-2019, 11:57 AM #227
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01-23-2019, 12:04 PM #228
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01-23-2019, 12:10 PM #229
Of the 39 doctors struck off by the General Medical Council this year, 29 were trained outside the UK – 75 per cent of the total – whereas in 2009, 41 of a total of 67 doctors struck off came from overseas, 61 per cent of the total.
The NHS employs about 140,000 doctors and has 10s of thousands of foreign ones. 29 seems quite low...
Not to mention it is reliant on foreign doctors because they can't get enough domestically. Sure there may be some issues with training (that should be picked out during the application process where there have been serious failings) but thank fck the they have those foreign doctors.
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01-23-2019, 12:12 PM #230
Founder of the EU:
https://www.disclose.tv/the-kalergi-...d-trump-311329
It's pretty red pilling
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01-23-2019, 12:18 PM #231
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01-23-2019, 12:20 PM #232
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01-23-2019, 12:27 PM #233
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01-23-2019, 12:52 PM #234
You forgot this
In total, 669 doctors have been either struck off or suspended by the GMC over the last five years.
Of those, only 249 were British (37 per cent) while 420 (63 per cent) were trained abroad – whereas one-third of doctors on the register were trained abroad, and two-thirds in Britain.
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01-23-2019, 01:36 PM #235
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01-24-2019, 01:55 PM #236
Actually I didn't see that. Did you even read your own quote? It says the proportion of foreign doctors actually decreases if you look at it over 5 years. 75% down to 63%...
Besides, as I said those doctors are essential to the public healthcare in the UK. Do you think it's a smart idea to remove foreign doctors from the NHS?
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11-24-2022, 02:55 AM #237
Brits want to suck Euro dinks again LOL...
Brits are starting to think again about Brexit as the economy slides into recession
The main opposition Labour party on Tuesday ruled out a return to the EU’s single market or customs union if it wins the next general election.
The OECD forecast on Tuesday that only Russia would suffer a bigger economic contraction than the U.K. in 2023 among the G-20 leading developed and developing economies.
A frequent YouGov survey earlier this month showed that 56% of the population said Britain was “wrong” to vote to leave the EU in 2016, compared to 32% who said it was the right call.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/23/brit...recession.htmlLast edited by greenleaf; 11-24-2022 at 03:02 AM.
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11-24-2022, 04:50 AM #238
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Something which is overlooked is that the Leavers and pretty much all the Brexiteers confirmed thst Brexit wouldn't have any impact on accessing the Single Market.
i.e. Britain would stay in the Single Market regardless of the outcome.
The Tories continually bait Labour as the party who would take Britain back in, they don't have much political ammo at the moment. Hence Labour's response (stand firm against the Single Market to avoid the Tories using this as a bridgehead to claim that thry would take us back in. Ironically it's the Tories who are trying to find a way to access the market again.
Even though it would help the EU there's no way they would approve any deal which didn't put a lot of pain on the UK.
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11-24-2022, 05:11 AM #239
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11-24-2022, 05:11 AM #240
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