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    Guys i have a question about MPS and hypetrophy. If for example someone in his whole lifting career can put 20 or 25 kg of muscle at most. Does it matter if he achieves this in 9 years or 10? Maybe with 4 protein meals per day plus one protein meal before bedtime which is the most optimal solution, it can be done within x years but with IF it can be done within x + 1 years. In the end he will reach his genetic potential. Or i am thinking this in the wrong way?
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    Originally Posted by Galiron View Post
    Guys i have a question about MPS and hypetrophy. If for example someone in his whole lifting career can put 20 or 25 kg of muscle at most. Does it matter if he achieves this in 9 years or 10? Maybe with 4 protein meals per day plus one protein meal before bedtime which is the most optimal solution, it can be done within x years but with IF it can be done within x + 1 years. In the end he will reach his genetic potential. Or i am thinking this in the wrong way?
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    Originally Posted by Galiron View Post
    Guys i have a question about MPS and hypetrophy. If for example someone in his whole lifting career can put 20 or 25 kg of muscle at most. Does it matter if he achieves this in 9 years or 10? Maybe with 4 protein meals per day plus one protein meal before bedtime which is the most optimal solution, it can be done within x years but with IF it can be done within x + 1 years. In the end he will reach his genetic potential. Or i am thinking this in the wrong way?
    What do you mean "does it matter"?

    Yes, it takes longer. Unless that's not what you are getting at.
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    Originally Posted by Galiron View Post
    Guys i have a question about MPS and hypetrophy. If for example someone in his whole lifting career can put 20 or 25 kg of muscle at most. Does it matter if he achieves this in 9 years or 10? Maybe with 4 protein meals per day plus one protein meal before bedtime which is the most optimal solution, it can be done within x years but with IF it can be done within x + 1 years. In the end he will reach his genetic potential. Or i am thinking this in the wrong way?
    With IF he might never make the same LBM number as with 4-5 protein servings spread over the day.

    Here's a good read on genetic potential: https://www.lookgreatnaked.com/blog/...ing-potential/
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    Originally Posted by AntoineIbanez12 View Post
    That's the one.
    Yeah he's retarded.
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    Originally Posted by Galiron View Post
    Guys i have a question about MPS and hypetrophy. If for example someone in his whole lifting career can put 20 or 25 kg of muscle at most. Does it matter if he achieves this in 9 years or 10? Maybe with 4 protein meals per day plus one protein meal before bedtime which is the most optimal solution, it can be done within x years but with IF it can be done within x + 1 years. In the end he will reach his genetic potential. Or i am thinking this in the wrong way?
    Not sure I get the question at all..

    but i'll tell you this...

    If you could actually gain 40-50lb of muscle, you better be starting from a SUPER SKINNY body state... most people naturally will never gain 40-50lb of actual muscle...

    But back to the point I was going to make, regardless of 9-10 years, if progress is similar in years 1-9, then ~95% of all the muscle this person would gain would occur in years 1-9 anyway, or 1-8 in the scenario it took 9 years.

    It's highly unlikely the final year will induce a visual difference because you would have already gained so much (that is, assuming BF % was the same)
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    Thank you all.

    I understood. What i was trying to ask is if eventually all the diet protocols would yield the same results. Either if you eat all the protein and the calories once a day or evenly spread across the day.
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    That's the one.
    He also got jailed and license suspended for mistreating his patients. Probably why he's making YouTube videos now instead of straightening people's backs.
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    Originally Posted by Galiron View Post
    Thank you all.

    I understood. What i was trying to ask is if eventually all the diet protocols would yield the same results. Either if you eat all the protein and the calories once a day or evenly spread across the day.
    Most would agree that as long as you get your total protein in, timing and quantity in each meal is less relevant
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    He seems ok,at the verry least it teaches people to do their own research and document for themselves, but he does cherrypick some of the studies indeed.
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    Originally Posted by Ghawk21 View Post
    He cherry picks data to support all his keto nonsense and makes money off it. If you want to do keto and like it then go for it but the whole Keto is better than anything else for fat loss is nonsense. The idea of as long as you're in ketosis you can't gain fat is nonsense.
    Wow, you've obviously never listened to anything the guy has said...In fact he often states that theres many ways to diet and many ways for people to feel healthy and that keto may work for him but that doesn't mean everyone has to do it....Such roid rage in your comment...chill bro...wouldn't want you to shatter your glass of muscle milk... Thomas is a great source for doing keto properly with a focus on quality food sources to consider overall health and longevity when doing keto and not just fat loss. As a physician myself I can tell you his explanations of certain biochemical and metabolic pathways are very sound for someone without formal training in medicine or biological sciences.

    Haters gona hate I guess...
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    Originally Posted by faimohkih View Post
    Wow, you've obviously never listened to anything the guy has said.
    His comment is accurate and not angry at all. Not sure where you even got the angry idea.

    Delauer is a terrible source of information. He continuously misrepresents the scientific literature on keto and fasting in order to get more views.

    If you want accurate information you should go straight to the literature, and not just the studies Delauer cites because that will mean you're ignoring half the literature.
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    Originally Posted by faimohkih View Post
    Wow, you've obviously never listened to anything the guy has said...In fact he often states that theres many ways to diet and many ways for people to feel healthy and that keto may work for him but that doesn't mean everyone has to do it....Such roid rage in your comment...chill bro...wouldn't want you to shatter your glass of muscle milk... Thomas is a great source for doing keto properly with a focus on quality food sources to consider overall health and longevity when doing keto and not just fat loss. As a physician myself I can tell you his explanations of certain biochemical and metabolic pathways are very sound for someone without formal training in medicine or biological sciences.

    Haters gona hate I guess...
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    Look who made it onto the "Nutrition Sources You Should Avoid" list, together with Gwyneth Paltrow and Dr. Oz.

    https://nutritionasiknowit.com/blog/...u-should-avoid
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    Look who made it onto the "Nutrition Sources You Should Avoid" list, together with Gwyneth Paltrow and Dr. Oz.

    https://nutritionasiknowit.com/blog/...u-should-avoid
    Looks like there's enough people on that list to have a keto zealots sub section.
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    I found out about him a few weeks ago and started watching a lot of his videos since I found them interesting.

    Then I very quickly noticed he goes against his own word almost every second time he speaks on a certain topic, without much time having passed between the 2 videos.

    He's just pumping up videos. Couldn't care less if some of what he said was legit. Just the fact that he goes against his own word so damn much is honestly retarded, I don't watch him anymore.

    Don't even get me started on "Dr." Berg. JFL.
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    Don't even get me started on "Dr." Berg. JFL.
    Good call. Terrible source of information as well.
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    Good call. Terrible source of information as well.
    It's truly sad that he has millions upon millions of people who buy into his nonsense.
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    Originally Posted by AntoineIbanez12 View Post
    Thomas DeLauer: is he a quack?

    I watch his videos, find them informative, but since nowadays so many youtube videos have "SCIENCE" in their title, when it's just random people who have no academic background, is DeLauer "legit"?

    Thomas uses fake Doctors to back up his claims. He once had a "Dr" on his youtube video that isn't a real Doctor and Thomas knew it. But he had no problem letting the Dr. say he's on the board of the American Heart Association. Cardiologist Dr. Weiss is his name but he's not a Cardiologist. Thomas has interviewed Eric Berg as well. You will notice they travel in the same circles on youtube. Many are Anti Doctor, Anti Vaccines, total quackery. I hate most of the youtubers.
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    Cool Thomas DeLauer etc.

    At 57 years old and in my fourth month of keto I have lost 30 lbs and 5” around the waste. I too am a bit sceptical about 100% of what Mr DeLauer has to say but I still get a lot out of his videos. Mostly nutritional and workout advice and some justification for the “keto lifestyle “. I have, with my doctor’s supervision, stopped taking blood pressure medication while my bp remains at low normal range, and halved my cholesterol Med dosage with no ill effects. I work out on average 45mins, 3 times a week with free weights in the garage and look pretty damn good for an old guy. I seemed to have plateaued with the weight loss but continue to lose around the waist. Lots of people have commented on my weight loss but now they suggest I shouldn’t lose any more. 6’ tall and 200 lbs. So. My take? Keto yes. DeLauer mostly. My doctor is learning about Keto with me so we are keeping a close eye on progress but I feel safer that way.
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    Of course, it might just be because I drink a lot more water, don’t eat processed foods, don’t eat gluten, eat more leafy-green veggies etc. Maybe moderate carbs and more healthy choices would have had the same results?
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    they are all hippies trying to make a buck with new info

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    Originally Posted by Drainsurgeon View Post
    At 57 years old and in my fourth month of keto I have lost 30 lbs and 5” around the waste. I too am a bit sceptical about 100% of what Mr DeLauer has to say but I still get a lot out of his videos. Mostly nutritional and workout advice and some justification for the “keto lifestyle “. I have, with my doctor’s supervision, stopped taking blood pressure medication while my bp remains at low normal range, and halved my cholesterol Med dosage with no ill effects.
    It's amazing what weight loss can do to someone's health.

    I seemed to have plateaued with the weight loss but continue to lose around the waist.
    Then you're no longer in calorie deficit. You can do that using keto or a carb based diet.

    There's no doubt keto can work (which seems to be your point) it just isn't inherently better than a carb based calorie deficit.
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    Interesting thread. I’ve just stumbled across this guy and it’s not because I’m a believer in keto per se, but because the more I read from a range of sources the more I’m becoming aware that excess sugar and carbs (fructose, glucose, dextrose, lactose) are poison. Guys on here will cuss Delauer but then advocate eating a large quantity of ice-cream (for example) as a sensible help to bulk. How does that make any sense?

    As I said, I’m interested in bodybuilding/mass building but I’m more interested in a healthy long-term future. Lots of bb advice from ‘respected’ figures goes completely against the latter. As I said, foods with refined sugars and tons of carbs are poor for health. Prove me wrong.
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    Originally Posted by GF23 View Post
    Interesting thread. I’ve just stumbled across this guy and it’s not because I’m a believer in keto per se, but because the more I read from a range of sources the more I’m becoming aware that excess sugar and carbs (fructose, glucose, dextrose, lactose) are poison. Guys on here will cuss Delauer but then advocate eating a large quantity of ice-cream (for example) as a sensible help to bulk. How does that make any sense?

    As I said, I’m interested in bodybuilding/mass building but I’m more interested in a healthy long-term future. Lots of bb advice from ‘respected’ figures goes completely against the latter. As I said, foods with refined sugars and tons of carbs are poor for health. Prove me wrong.
    There is ample evidence that carbs can be part of a perfectly healthy diet and most people doing endurance training will need high levels of carbs to perform optimally. The "Ma Pi 2" diet is an example of a high carb diet that is good for diabetes.

    Regarding refined sugar, general health recommendation is to keep this at <10% total calories. Here's a review going over a lot of evidence showing this is safe. https://academic.oup.com/advances/ar...4/493S/4568634 I haven't seen any literature to suggest it is unsafe to go up to 10% calories if you otherwise are lean and exercising. If you have high cholesterol you may want to go lower. As said in that review it's actually probably safe to go quite a bit higher.
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    Originally Posted by GF23 View Post
    Interesting thread. I’ve just stumbled across this guy and it’s not because I’m a believer in keto per se, but because the more I read from a range of sources the more I’m becoming aware that excess sugar and carbs (fructose, glucose, dextrose, lactose) are poison. Guys on here will cuss Delauer but then advocate eating a large quantity of ice-cream (for example) as a sensible help to bulk. How does that make any sense?

    As I said, I’m interested in bodybuilding/mass building but I’m more interested in a healthy long-term future. Lots of bb advice from ‘respected’ figures goes completely against the latter. As I said, foods with refined sugars and tons of carbs are poor for health. Prove me wrong.
    Wow... what utter nonsense...
    The power of carbs compels me!
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    Wow... what utter nonsense...
    Solid argument. I believe you now.
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    He does that phaggy head movement that a lot of millennials do when they are explaining chit. Stuff seems legit enough but can't respect him as he seems very effeminate.
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    Originally Posted by GF23 View Post
    Solid argument. I believe you now.
    You said 'foods with tons of carbs are poor for health'.

    Really, so you're saying sweet potatoes, berries, oatmeal, etc, are bad for your health because they contain carbs?

    The longest living cultures on planet earth eat a carb-heavy diet.... so.... this statement is pure nonsense.
    The power of carbs compels me!
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