Dietary fat keto and bad genetics

[ss4vegeta1]

Sup bros just thinking, losing fat is about eating less and caloric expenditure. More fat needs to be burned via lypolysis vs created and stored by lypogenisis. There many variables to making this favorable but not exactly sure how keto helps people with genetic issues like alpha adrenorecrptors on fat cells? Is it cause these cells are so insulin sensitive when insulin is high in the blood it stores more on those sites? So eating a deficit but having more fat than carbs is s benefit? But from a bodybuilder standpoint bodybuilding keto is different from actual keto. Bodybuilding keto is much leaner on the fat macro scale.


Just thinking that again fat loss needs to have more fat leaving the gates vs coming in, it seems having less or just the right amount of fat one individually needs is complimentary as it can prevent the favorabolity of fat storage on those sites.

Then again from what I mentioned earlier fat may prevent insulin from getting fatter. Also dietary fat provides flavor, satiety, and extra vitamins and nutrients.

Idk what to think besides moderation, balance and doing what works for ones self!

[Heisman2]

Sup bros just thinking, losing fat is about eating less and caloric expenditure. More fat needs to be burned via lypolysis vs created and stored by lypogenisis. There many variables to making this favorable but not exactly sure how keto helps people with genetic issues like alpha adrenorecrptors on fat cells?

Can you post a link showing this to be a genetic issue?

Is it cause these cells are so insulin sensitive when insulin is high in the blood it stores more on those sites? So eating a deficit but having more fat than carbs is s benefit? But from a bodybuilder standpoint bodybuilding keto is different from actual keto. Bodybuilding keto is much leaner on the fat macro scale.

What makes you think this? If anything bodybuilders on a ketogenic diet will likely have more protein than non-bodybuilders and thus less fat (as a percentage of total calories).

Just thinking that again fat loss needs to have more fat leaving the gates vs coming in, it seems having less or just the right amount of fat one individually needs is complimentary as it can prevent the favorabolity of fat storage on those sites.

Then again from what I mentioned earlier fat may prevent insulin from getting fatter. Also dietary fat provides flavor, satiety, and extra vitamins and nutrients.

Idk what to think besides moderation, balance and doing what works for ones self!

I rarely get completely lost when reading through posts here, no matter how illogical or outlandish they may be, but congratulations, you have managed to completely lose me with this point. How may fat prevent insulin from getting fatter???

[ss4vegeta1]

Can you post a link showing this to be a genetic issue?

I don’t have a link at the moment but it’s clear that people have a genetic affinity for storing more fat in certain areas versus others.

What makes you think this? If anything bodybuilders on a ketogenic diet will likely have more protein than non-bodybuilders and thus less fat (as a percentage of total calories).

That’s what I meant, I meant a bodybuilder doing keto, macros are not in high in fat as the keto diet, more lean protein and moderate fat and low carb.


I rarely get completely lost when reading through posts here, no matter how illogical or outlandish they may be, but congratulations, you have managed to completely lose me with this point. How may fat prevent insulin from getting fatter???

I meant dietary fat can slow gastric emptying and satiety where as too much carbs can potentially raise insulin. Insulin receptors are on all kinds of cells, even fat cells meaning it can potientally open the cell for cell storage. Like amino acids entering muscle cells. Also let’s not forget for dietary fat the phospholipid bilayer and how fats can crossover easily inside the cell.

[Mrpb]

So eating a deficit but having more fat than carbs is s benefit?

For many people it isn't. Higher carb intakes can benefit performance and increase glycogen levels.

What carb and fat intake work best for you is something that you can find out by personal experimentation.

As for your ideas about insulin: several studies show lower insulin levels do not lead to more fat loss.

[Lifesci]

Sup bros just thinking, losing fat is about eating less and caloric expenditure. More fat needs to be burned via lypolysis vs created and stored by lypogenisis. There many variables to making this favorable but not exactly sure how keto helps people with genetic issues like alpha adrenorecrptors on fat cells? Is it cause these cells are so insulin sensitive when insulin is high in the blood it stores more on those sites? So eating a deficit but having more fat than carbs is s benefit?

Fat loss is not as simple as the "calories in, calories out; eat less, burn more" concept perpetuated in popular sciences. The body has a setpoint for weight and a proporptional setpoint for basal metabolic rate (BMR) to stay on that weight. When you enter a calorie deficit on a normal diet, your body will drop the BMR so you can stay on that weight (means, your body functions are not operating at optimal capacity). In short, these setpoints cannot be altered, except with a few exceptions, keto diets being one.

Insulin has functions other than driving glucose/fatty acids into cells. It inhibits lipolysis. Meaning, if you cut your calories by 50%, but continue to consume carbs at regular intervals (constant insulin supply), you can be rest assured you won't lose much fat; your body will adjust by cutting the BMR proportionately. As a consequence, overall body functions suffer (feel like ****, compromising immune system, etc).

Keto diets prevent the insulin from rising, thus the body has access to the fatty acids and triglycerides in the adipocytes (fat cells) that can be used for energy.
Personally, I find fasting 16 hours a day easier than keto.

[Heisman2]

Fat loss is not as simple as the "calories in, calories out; eat less, burn more" concept perpetuated in popular sciences. The body has a setpoint for weight and a proporptional setpoint for basal metabolic rate (BMR) to stay on that weight. When you enter a calorie deficit on a normal diet, your body will drop the BMR so you can stay on that weight (means, your body functions are not operating at optimal capacity). In short, these setpoints cannot be altered, except with a few exceptions, keto diets being one.

Insulin has functions other than driving glucose/fatty acids into cells. It inhibits lipolysis. Meaning, if you cut your calories by 50%, but continue to consume carbs at regular intervals (constant insulin supply), you can be rest assured you won't lose much fat; your body will adjust by cutting the BMR proportionately. As a consequence, overall body functions suffer (feel like ****, compromising immune system, etc).

Keto diets prevent the insulin from rising, thus the body has access to the fatty acids and triglycerides in the adipocytes (fat cells) that can be used for energy.
Personally, I find fasting 16 hours a day easier than keto.

This is extremely incorrect as a whole. It is true your BMR (and also typically your NEAT) decrease in a deficit, but that does not mean the body functions are not operating at optimal capacity. At a mild deficit your health will not be significantly negatively impacted, and if anything your body works more efficiently to burn less calories for the same amount of work.

You will burn almost the same amount of fat with carbs as without carbs if you have the same deficit; this has been demonstrated in multiple studies. Your BMR will only drop so much (typically 15% or so, a bit more for some people). If you have insulin resistance then minimizing blood glucose swings can be helpful for overall health.