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    Originally Posted by supramax View Post
    + 4,500 = 79,745
    OHP:
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    5x55kg
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    3x5x65kg
    5x10x50kg

    4,350kg = 9,590lbs

    79,745 + 9,950 = 89,695lbs
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    Originally Posted by OldFartTom View Post
    +3,865 (barbell strict OHP, working sets)=93,380

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    All freeweight overhead presses count: standing or seated, barbell or dumbbell, strict press or push press. Warmup reps count.
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    Originally Posted by OldFartTom View Post
    +3,865 (barbell strict OHP, working sets)
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    + 6,620 = 100,000

    Not 100% sure that I completely locked out that last rep. If you good folks think I don't deserve it, you can dock me 145 pounds.

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    Originally Posted by ECGordyn View Post
    + 6,620 = 100,000

    Not 100% sure that I completely locked out that last rep. If you good folks think I don't deserve it, you can dock me 145 pounds.

    I'm no good to judge, but it's no competition here...we are pushing ourselves to do what we can.

    OHP:
    5x50kg
    5x60kg
    5x65kg
    3x3x70kg

    Snatch Press:
    5x20kg (ATG)
    3x40kg (parallel squat)
    3x50kg (half squat)
    3x3x60kg

    2,415kg = ~5,325lbs

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    100,000 + 5,325 = 105,325lbs
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    Originally Posted by Damnentia View Post
    I'm no good to judge, but it's no competition here...we are pushing ourselves to do what we can.

    OHP:
    5x50kg
    5x60kg
    5x65kg
    3x3x70kg

    Snatch Press:
    5x20kg (ATG)
    3x40kg (parallel squat)
    3x50kg (half squat)
    3x3x60kg

    2,415kg = ~5,325lbs

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    100,000 + 5,325 = 105,325lbs
    Am I interpreting correctly that your snatch grip, behind the head overhead presses are done from the bold lettered squat positions? If so, why?

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    Originally Posted by Damnentia View Post
    I'm no good to judge, but it's no competition here...we are pushing ourselves to do what we can.

    OHP:
    5x50kg
    5x60kg
    5x65kg
    3x3x70kg

    Snatch Press:
    5x20kg (ATG)
    3x40kg (parallel squat)
    3x50kg (half squat)
    3x3x60kg

    2,415kg = ~5,325lbs

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    100,000 + 5,325 = 105,325lbs
    Yeah I'm confused. How does a person do a snatch press ATG?

    If it's a full snatch caught all the way down in a full squat, it's not a press in any way.

    Are you putting the bar on your shoulders, then squatting down, and pressing the bar up with a snatch width grip while holding the bottom position of a squat the entire time?


    A snatch press half squat? This...there is no way this is a thing that actually exists lol. What exactly is it you are doing?
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    Originally Posted by supramax View Post
    Am I interpreting correctly that your snatch grip, behind the head overhead presses are done from the bold lettered squat positions? If so, why?

    P.S. EC, It counts.
    It trains positional strength, and stability, in a way that is more specific to the snatch.

    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Yeah I'm confused. How does a person do a snatch press ATG?

    If it's a full snatch caught all the way down in a full squat, it's not a press in any way.

    Are you putting the bar on your shoulders, then squatting down, and pressing the bar up with a snatch width grip while holding the bottom position of a squat the entire time?


    A snatch press half squat? This...there is no way this is a thing that actually exists lol. What exactly is it you are doing?
    It's as you described.
    You Press behind the neck, holding the bar at snatch width, while maintaining the position of the bottom of the squat.

    When the weight increased - I compromised on squat depth.
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    Originally Posted by Damnentia View Post
    It trains positional strength, and stability, in a way that is more specific to the snatch.



    It's as you described.
    You Press behind the neck, holding the bar at snatch width, while maintaining the position of the bottom of the squat.

    When the weight increased - I compromised on squat depth.
    That is new to me. Sounds...difficult from a balance and total body tightness perspective lol
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    I call.

    45x10 + 95x8 + 135x2 + 145x12 + 145x8 = 4,380

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    Originally Posted by Damnentia View Post
    It trains positional strength, and stability, in a way that is more specific to the snatch.
    You're really into the Oly lifts, are ya? I recently switched to the muscle snatch after a long stint with the power snatch. I can't claim proficiency with the full snatch, but I had great success with the squat clean and push press, the king of ass kicking exercises. Kudos for doing extremely difficult stuff.

    All my numbers are clean and presses, btw.
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    That is new to me. Sounds...difficult from a balance and total body tightness perspective lol
    Well, that is the skill it is supposed to train. :P
    You can find it by the name - “Press in Snatch", or " Sots Press".

    *The reps I've done in higher positions are on the dumber side, though, but then again, I just wanted to press; I squatted for the heck of it.


    Originally Posted by supramax View Post
    You're really into the Oly lifts, are ya? I recently switched to the muscle snatch after a long stint with the power snatch. I can't claim proficiency with the full snatch, but I had great success with the squat clean and push press, the king of ass kicking exercises. Kudos for doing extremely difficult stuff.

    All my numbers are clean and presses, btw.
    Nice! O:

    TBH, I'm fairly new to weightlifting.
    I actually had problems deadlift and pressing when I started, and the coaches around were pretty much useless, but pulling with Snatch Grip and pressing behind the neck felt very convenient, so I actually did stupid exercises before starting weightlifting. I had some troubles with the squat too, so I mained the Front Squat.

    I moved about 3 months ago, resolved my shoulder pain, and took a few sessions with good coaches, to work on form.

    It's funny how I could Front Squat 100kg, BoR 85kg+ for reps, Pendlay almost 90kg with both clean and snatch grip, and do Snatch SLDL with a huge deficit for 120kg, and Snatch Press 60kg...

    ...Yet my Squat was at 50kg for 5s, my Deadlift...kinda similar, Bench was 50-ish, and OHPing with 20kg was a disaster.

    But I'm catching up!
    Squat: 135kg
    OHP: 80kg-ish
    Bench: 95kg
    Deadlift...Well. I still hate the Deadlift. Snatch SLDL is at least 135kg though!

    *My weightlifting technique is so bad, my Muscle Clean is 87.5kg, yet my Clean is under 80. /:

    *And I'm having a hard time receiving in the Snatch.

    (But I'm in good hands, and should be back to my weightlifting group in two weeks).

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    Back on topic: Went for a Squat Session, But I opened with with some Power Clean & Push Press:

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    Originally Posted by Damnentia View Post
    ... I'm having a hard time receiving in the Snatch.
    Go lighter, but as heavy as you can while receiving correctly and do an isometric hold: https://www.t-nation.com/training/th...raining-method
    ... or just continue to finish with a push until you don't have to.
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    Go lighter, but as heavy as you can while receiving correctly and do an isometric hold: https://www.t-nation.com/training/th...raining-method
    ... or just continue to finish with a push until you don't have to.
    When feeling stupid, I ocassionaly do Front Rack Holds (and calf raises) with 150% of my Front Squat.

    And then again, I can do Overhead Squats and Snatch Presses heavier than I can snatch.

    What I probably need is learning how to drop, and fixing my bar path from the 3rd pull onwards.
    I have some heavily ingrained habits from Latin Dancing that have to be overcome.

    Anyways, looks like my injury healed fine. O:

    *Which means I'm back to cutting; no more silly volume work for the Press in the following 7 weeks. :O
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    I'm pretty sure you're supposed to do holds with your work set weight or lighter.
    Rippetoe has fantastic advice if you have all the steps down pat: "By giving the body a general task instead of a specific one, you move your brain out of the way and allow your accumulated motor skills to solve the problem.”
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    30kg, 5 x 5 (easy)

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    Originally Posted by supramax View Post
    I'm pretty sure you're supposed to do holds with your work set weight or lighter.
    Rippetoe has fantastic advice if you have all the steps down pat: "By giving the body a general task instead of a specific one, you move your brain out of the way and allow your accumulated motor skills to solve the problem.”
    I'm afraid I didn't completely get his advice.

    *Front Rack Holds is something I introduced when my dance teacher told me that my butt was sticking out...I hyperextended my hips, and she then noted that she wanted me to do it with my abs instead.
    Apparently, I got so used to the hip hinge, I forgot how to use the abs and iliopsoas...

    I used that exercise to train myself to assume the right posture fir that dance under load...i don't need 8t anymore, TBH. (and I definitely don't need it to be so much higher than my Front Squat).

    I trust my coach - she's a world-class level weightlifter, and she's satisfied with my progress so far. (I'm still here on myself, though).
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    Originally Posted by Damnentia View Post
    I'm afraid I didn't completely get his advice.
    Here's the example given in the article: 'Which cue do you think allowed my body to take over for my brain…?

    “Tighten your abs.. no, your lower abs.. bend at your hips and approach parallel with your torso.. avoid bending the knees.. squeeze the glutes on the way back up and stand tall..”

    OR

    “Close the car door with your ass and snap your hips back up..”?'


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    Originally Posted by ECGordyn View Post
    + 4,025 = 115,995
    + 3,400 = 119,395
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    30kg x 5
    30kg x 5
    30kg x 5
    30kg x 5

    1650lbs


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    Originally Posted by supramax View Post
    Here's the example given in the article: 'Which cue do you think allowed my body to take over for my brain…?

    “Tighten your abs.. no, your lower abs.. bend at your hips and approach parallel with your torso.. avoid bending the knees.. squeeze the glutes on the way back up and stand tall..”

    OR

    “Close the car door with your ass and snap your hips back up..”?'


    P.S. I was given the same admonishment by both my dance and ballet teachers, a long time ago.
    ROFL!

    You refer to the' external' vs 'internal' que thingie.
    I actually retaught myself the correct position by "trying to align my butt with my spine *while* locking the butt in place".

    I kinda thought about moving the butt forward, yet at the same time locked it in place hard, and then that in turn contracted the correct muscles.

    I then tried doing it with a barbell in my hands, and it felt like a weird RDL, and I didn't like it.

    Moving on, I used Tricep Extensions with rope in a manner that felt more like standing decline Press. My natural instinct would be bending on top of it, to press it with my weight, and the pecs, but forcing myself to keep assuming the "correct" dance posture made me work my abs isometrically. I challenged myself by standing in the 3rd position, or standing on my toes.
    Eventually, my Triceps became the limiting factor...

    So my quest for an ab exercise done standing, and preferably in a way that is more specific to dancing...ended up with free weight Calf Raises.

    The thing is, doing it with 150% of my l Front Squat made my thoracic extension is very strong "up there",
    But when I try going fir heavy front Squats, I round forward in the pit. (might also be the reason why I can muscle clean 87.5kg, but have trouble cleaning...70...)

    My trainer prescribed doing half Squats (only the bottom position) and good mornings,

    Funny enough - I planned to do 1 1/4 Front Squats and rotate Good Mornings / Press In Snatch on Tuesdays in my cutting routine anyway.

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    On topic:

    Press in Snatch / Clean:
    15 reps total, 20kg = 300kg

    Military Press:
    2x5x55kg = 550kg
    1x5x57.5kg = 287.5kg
    2x5x60kg = 600kg

    8 hours later, during WL training:

    Military Press:
    4x30kg = 120kg
    2x2x35kg = 140kg
    2x2x40kg = 160kg
    2x2x50kg = 200kg
    4x2x60kg = 480kg
    4x1x70kg *Olympic Style =280kg

    3,117.5kg = 6,875lbs

    121,045lbs + 6,875lbs = 127,920lbs
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    It's odd that you can lift more in the muscle clean than you can in the clean. There's any number of ways to isometrically train the abs while standing. If you don't mind jumping, tuck jumps will fry your abs. Doing them consecutively, immediately one after the other is best, but if your technique isn't perfect, your lower back might be sore for days.

    On topic: Technique refinement- 890 lbs + 127,920lbs = 128,810 lbs
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    Sorry people, forgot to add in my Friday 18th of 3,685lbs and also realised my Monday one I'd added 3865 not 3685 so subtracting 200 to correct for that stupidity.
    127,920 + 3,685 - 200 = 131,405 lbs
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    131,405 + 4,320 = 135,725lbs
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    Snatch Grip Push Press
    20kg x 5
    30kg x 5
    40kg x 5
    40kg x 5
    40kg x 5
    40kg x 5
    40kg x 5

    +2750lbs



    =138,475lbs
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    Originally Posted by supramax View Post
    It's odd that you can lift more in the muscle clean than you can in the clean. There's any number of ways to isometrically train the abs while standing. If you don't mind jumping, tuck jumps will fry your abs. Doing them consecutively, immediately one after the other is best, but if your technique isn't perfect, your lower back might be sore for days.

    On topic: Technique refinement- 890 lbs + 127,920lbs = 128,810 lbs
    It's about not "exploding", and also being noticeably stronger and more stable while being erect.

    The first comes from lack of good technique; the latter (in my case) screams that I have to work on control stability and control below parallel.

    In other words, If I can muscle 80kg+ up high, yes, I should be be able to muscle heavier weights to a lower point...add explosiveness to it, an "in theory", I should be able to do well with 110, perhaps 120kg.

    But in reality I can't recover from 70kg caught below parallel, and have troubles Front Squatting 105kg.

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    On topic:

    Press in Snatch:
    2x5x20kg

    Getting the bar up there for Overhead Squat:
    1x45kg
    1x50kg
    1x52.5kg

    Snatch Press:
    3x5x52.5kg

    1,135kg =2,505lbs

    138,475lbs + 2,505lbs =140,980lbs
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    Originally Posted by Damnentia View Post
    Press in Snatch:
    2x5x20kg

    Getting the bar up there for Overhead Squat:
    1x45kg
    1x50kg
    1x52.5kg

    Snatch Press:
    3x5x52.5kg

    1,135kg =2,505lbs

    138,475lbs + 2,505lbs =140,980lbs
    + 5,625 = 146,605
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    Just read the OP. How are you counting dumbbell presses; 70lb = 70lbs or 140lbs?

    I didn't include dumbbell presses in my first post, only standing overhead.


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