16 yr old bulking fail

[AdamCG2002]

I am 166lb 6 feet. eating around 3000+ cal, 90g fat, 350g carb, 180g+ protein. I sleep 7-8 hours every night. I just do iifym but with healthy foods such as chicken, rice etc. I'm attempting to bulk but it its not going very well and haven't gained in a couple months. How can I get a serious bulk going?

[AdamWW]

I am 166lb 6 feet. eating around 3000+ cal, 90g fat, 350g carb, 180g+ protein. I just do iifym but with healthy foods such as chicken, rice etc. I'm attempting to bulk but it its not going very well and haven't gained in a couple months. How can I get a serious bulk going?

By eating more

[BS57]

I am 166lb 6 feet. eating around 3000+ cal, 90g fat, 350g carb, 180g+ protein. I sleep 7-8 hours every night. I just do iifym but with healthy foods such as chicken, rice etc. I'm attempting to bulk but it its not going very well and haven't gained in a couple months. How can I get a serious bulk going?

You know there are "healthy foods" with higher caloric content.......right?

[CommitmentRulz]

I just do iifym but with healthy foods such as chicken, rice etc.

So you eat pizza. Right? After all, pizza is cheese, tomatoes and sauce, meat, veggies, and flour/crust. What part of that is not "healthy"?

And you eat cheeseburgers, right? Beef, cheese, tomatoes, lettuce, bread/wheat/flour. What part is not healthy?

My "real" point is that you are not eating iifym and you are needlessly limiting your food options and then saying you have trouble eating enough to gain weight. (Hint: you can drink a milkshake, too.)

[smokinal]

As accurately stated above, you just gotta eat more man.

You should be on a seefood diet; if you see food, eat it

Try adding a calorie dense shake every day:
scoop of whey
oats
peanut butter
I like a banana and more nuts too for texture
milk

mix in a blender or use a large cup and mix with a hand wand mixer

Eat brother!

[AdamWW]

So you eat pizza. Right? After all, pizza is cheese, tomatoes and sauce, meat, veggies, and flour/crust. What part of that is not "healthy"?

And you eat cheeseburgers, right? Beef, cheese, tomatoes, lettuce, bread/wheat/flour. What part is not healthy?

My "real" point is that you are not eating iifym and you are needlessly limiting your food options and then saying you have trouble eating enough to gain weight. (Hint: you can drink a milkshake, too.)

Well... 'technically' he could be doing IIFYM even if the foods are plain... but he's definitely not following a flexible approach to it, because he's obviously not choosing those foods purely because they fit.

[AdamCG2002]

yeah i would eat a pizza/cheeseburger once a week as a cheat meal. So should I be eating everything and anything regardless on whether I see it as healthy or not? Could i eat chicken and rice as well as a cheese burger and fries regularly?


I just feel that pizza, burgers, kebabs etc are unhealthy and will limit gains, even on a bulk.

(replying to commitment rules)

[AdamCG2002]

You know there are "healthy foods" with higher caloric content.......right?

such as oats, rice, pasta?

[SuffolkPunch]

I just feel that pizza, burgers, kebabs etc are unhealthy and will limit gains, even on a bulk.

Incorrect

Those things contain the same basic nutrients that all other foods contain. Sometimes they are in the wrong combinations (too much carb and fat, not enough protein) but not in the case of meat heavy things and possibly not in the case where you are eating 3000+ calories a day with no problem with hunger.

[AdamCG2002]

Well... 'technically' he could be doing IIFYM even if the foods are plain... but he's definitely not following a flexible approach to it, because he's obviously not choosing those foods purely because they fit.

should I be more flexible as I usually only have 1 meal I consider 'cheating' per week. this meal would usually be pizza, burger, fries etc

[AdamCG2002]

[QUOTE=SuffolkPunch;1570168911] So could I eat pizza 3 times per week and still get gains? (of course I would make it fit into my macros)

[hardyboysare]

Food at the end of the day is just that food. It consists of protein, fats and carbs (and all the little micros). I never regard any food as 'unhealthy', yes some you should be a tad restricted on as they lack nutritional value, however as long as you are getting your required macros you can fill your required calories with any other food sources (recommend some fruit and veg for health).

In order to gain weight you have to eat more calories so get your macros in then add anything to get your weight going up. If you can't eat enough have more calorie dense foods (milkshakes, ice cream, any high calorie source).

At 16 I wouldn't really bother tracking calories too much just know if you aren't gaining weight you have to eat more and it doesn't really matter what it is.

[AdamCG2002]

[QUOTE=hardyboysare;1570169141] In order to gain weight you have to eat more calories so get your macros in then add anything to get your weight going up. If you can't eat enough have more calorie dense foods (milkshakes, ice cream, any high calorie source).

Should I be worried about salt, saturated fat and sugar?

[SuffolkPunch]

So could I eat pizza 3 times per week and still get gains? (of course I would make it fit into my macros)

Yes. You could supplement it with a chicken salad to balance off the protein and micronutrient needs and that would be just fine.

[BS57]

yeah i would eat a pizza/cheeseburger once a week as a cheat meal.

Can't gain weight, but has "cheat meals"?

HTF does THAT work?

such as oats, rice, pasta?

Nuts, peanut butter, milkshakes, avocado.....look up a nutritional values list for foods, pick out those you like, which also provide macros that fit.

[ironwill2008]

Good grief.


Twenty years of nutrition advice posted in this forum, and still the same old bull**** questions posted every day???

[BS57]

Good grief.


Twenty years of nutrition advice posted in this forum, and still the same old bull**** questions posted every day???

Parents no longer educate their kids, we have a "system" for that now.

[Ghawk21]

Parents no longer educate their kids, we have a "system" for that now.

I agree but to be fair we have people of all ages coming on here asking the same damn questions daily, often within a few posts of each other haha. The bro science is still very strong out there.

[ironwill2008]

Seriously, how difficult is it to realize that if you want to gain weight, and it's not happening, to simply eat more than you're eating now?


Same goes for the incredibly lame "losing fat" forum---otherwise known as the "dumpster fire" forum---where the common sense of eating less and moving more apparently flies right over the head of about 90% of the posters in there?

[Ghawk21]

Seriously, how difficult is it to realize that if you want to gain weight, and it's not happening, to simply eat more than you're eating now?


Same goes for the incredibly lame "losing fat" forum---otherwise known as the "dumpster fire" forum---where the common sense of eating less and moving more apparently flies right over the head of about 90% of the posters in there?

I had a friend ask if she started eating more avocado would she lose weight, because she read an article online that it would. She was baffled when I told her depending on the size an avocado could easily have over 300 calories. There's a lot of dumb chit on the internet....

Edit: I used the term "article" loosely, it was a blog post or something.

[Millz12323]

OP just add calories slowly. If you're not gaining with your current diet. Add 250 calories per day and see if the scale moves upwards over the next 3 weeks. If it doesn't then add another 250.

Most of all just eat stuff you like man. You have the luxury of a 3000+ calorie budget, don't restrict yourself to boiled chicken brown rice and broc-****

[AdamCG2002]

[QUOTE=Millz12323;1570179621] Thank you I will take your advice

[ironwill2008]

I agree but to be fair we have people of all ages coming on here asking the same damn questions daily, often within a few posts of each other haha. The bro science is still very strong out there.

QFT. It sure isn't just the kids; some of the nonsense occasionally posted as "advices" in the O35 forum would curl your hair.

[Nedo]

I think it is partly lack of education that is to blame. For that I point the finger at governments as they should be doing more to put the word out given we now have science to confirm alot of nutritional bias/hype. I notice people in my area are just now realizing the hype about things like IF and thinking it is the be all end all that it ain't. In real life, I don't bother trying to inform people anymore, nor even discussing nutrition as everyone knows better and I'm sick of arguing my points.