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    Deadlift setup - "Do not move the barbell" vs rolling the bar to your shins?

    So I'm struggling to nail my deadlift setup and form, although I just started doing them so I know it'll take time.

    There seems to be two vastly different schools of thought on the DL setup.

    1. The Rippetoe/Thrall manta of "DO NOT MOVE THE BARBELL" where the bar is placed midfoot and all other steps in the DL setup must not move the bar.
    2. The Brian Shaw etc method of rolling the bar into the shins as part of the setup.

    Now obviously both schools of thought are being pushed by extremely reputable individuals so I’d venture to say that neither way is “wrong”. I’m just wondering how to figure out which setup method is best for ME as a lifter. (I know, I know, “just try them both and see what works”, but I’d still like to see some discussion on the merits of each method)
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    Go with Rippetoe/Thrall setup, and perform every rep exactly the same.


    When you are as experienced as Brian Shaw, then maybe you'll be able to maintain proper setup form with a bar rolling all over the place.
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    I'm on team don't move the bar. I've tried both methods and find I can get much tighter when I don't move the bar around.
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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    Go with Rippetoe/Thrall setup, and perform every rep exactly the same.


    When you are as experienced as Brian Shaw, then maybe you'll be able to maintain proper setup form with a bar rolling all over the place.
    That was my thought as well, but I was watching a video of Brian talking about the DL and he said he has newbies do the roll method when learning to DL which I found interesting.
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    Originally Posted by daveminnich View Post
    That was my thought as well, but I was watching a video of Brian talking about the DL and he said he has newbies do the roll method when learning to DL which I found interesting.
    When he talks about "newbies", it tends to be top athletes in another sport.
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    Originally Posted by daveminnich View Post
    That was my thought as well, but I was watching a video of Brian talking about the DL and he said he has newbies do the roll method when learning to DL which I found interesting.
    Lots of guys have lots of yt weightlifting vids; many are a direct path to an injury. If you're going to go with a vid as a guide, consider sticking with one from someone who has professionally coached a million beginners on the proper performance of all the basic lifts.
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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    Lots of guys have lots of yt weightlifting vids; many are a direct path to an injury. If you're going to go with a vid as a guide, consider sticking with one from someone who has professionally coached a million beginners on the proper performance of all the basic lifts.
    Absolutely. Just gotta keep practicing until the DL doesn't feel like some sort of foreign movement pattern. Learning the squat, bench, and OHP were relatively easy for me. Getting the DL down has proven to be quite challenging.
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    Originally Posted by daveminnich View Post
    So I'm struggling to nail my deadlift setup and form, although I just started doing them so I know it'll take time.

    There seems to be two vastly different schools of thought on the DL setup.

    1. The Rippetoe/Thrall manta of "DO NOT MOVE THE BARBELL" where the bar is placed midfoot and all other steps in the DL setup must not move the bar.
    2. The Brian Shaw etc method of rolling the bar into the shins as part of the setup.

    Now obviously both schools of thought are being pushed by extremely reputable individuals so I’d venture to say that neither way is “wrong”. I’m just wondering how to figure out which setup method is best for ME as a lifter. (I know, I know, “just try them both and see what works”, but I’d still like to see some discussion on the merits of each method)
    What matters is where the bar is when you actually start lifting it.
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    Originally Posted by daveminnich View Post
    Absolutely. Just gotta keep practicing until the DL doesn't feel like some sort of foreign movement pattern.
    That's why it's so important to start with a static barbell, so your setup is exactly the same for every rep. Do this, and before long, you'll do it automatically; proper form will be second-nature to you.
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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    That's why it's so important to start with a static barbell, so your setup is exactly the same for every rep. Do this, and before long, you'll do it automatically; proper form will be second-nature to you.
    It doesn't matter. You can approach a static barbell and set yourself up or you can set yourself up and bring the barbell to you.
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    Yes, the bar is at a dead stop before he pulls it. Big guys have trouble getting air in and bracing when they're folded over down there, and with straps they can't brace up top and then grip and rip.

    You shouldn't be rolling the bar.
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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    That's why it's so important to start with a static barbell, so your setup is exactly the same for every rep. Do this, and before long, you'll do it automatically; proper form will be second-nature to you.
    ^^ I'm firmly in camp eliminate-as-many-variables-as-possible while learning the move.
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    generally only people who have a large gut do the bar roll as their stomach gets in the way of them getting into a proper position
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    tbh i don't over think it. i think the best advice i could give anyone when it comes to the deadlift is do not over think it, just get mentally ready to ''explode'' in a controlled way, if that makes any sense
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    tbh i don't over think it. i think the best advice i could give anyone when it comes to the deadlift is do not over think it, just get mentally ready to ''explode'' in a controlled way, if that makes any sense
    Yeah, it makes sense. I do it both ways being discussed and it makes no difference. I've seen people lift the bar on the roll, too. For me, the deadlift is a horizontal movement of the hips. It's like magic!
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    Originally Posted by supramax View Post
    Yeah, it makes sense. I do it both ways being discussed and it makes no difference. I've seen people lift the bar on the roll, too. For me, the deadlift is a horizontal movement of the hips. It's like magic!
    i agree with this, however i don't roll it, i keep my shins as close to the bar as possible using a sumo stance, get into position then explode (conventional kills my lower back)
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    There is more than one way to do this right. A lot has to happen between putting your hands on the bar and pulling the slack out of it, even though to a novice it may not look like much.

    If you have an unflat floor you may have to move the bar where you want it, and it may roll away if you let go before you have time to readdress the bar.

    Guys like Rippetoe are great. Yeah, they know what they are doing, and if you are going to them for advice it is rank stupidity to start contradicting them and injecting other variables. They are not going to, and shouldn't, put up with someone asking for help yet questioning their methods.

    But for those not - needing - help, the ques and how to lists mean nothing. They are only necesssary in the context of a given coach's format.

    Some people have a very specific problem with finding their position to begin pulling slack. Others could do it upside down because they have amazing spatial orientation capability. "Don't move the bar" is very helpful for the former. If you are instructing thousands of people, you better go with that approach...
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    I’m fairly new to DLs (5months). I still roll the bar back each time. The reason for me is that if I can’t properly press my arms firmly against the bar and arch my lower back to protect it, I understand this could result in a low back injury. I could be explaining this poorly. In YouTube search “athleanX deadlift form”. This helped me worry less about rolling or not.
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