Why is Fierce 5 progression kinda slow

[TLWeight]

I’m curious why the progression is slow compared to Starting Strength

Just asking outta curiosity

[Farley1324]

I suppose it has been like two days since you started a thread.

A couple guesses at why I can make.

Starting Strength is primarily directed at those who are capable of more rapid progression. Broaden the applicant pool, the progression may become too much too soon.

Many fail to eat adequately, which slows progress.

Slower progression also allows for little bit more of the inevitable, people starting too heavy, no matter what they are told in an attempt to prevent it.

Progression should be sustainable longer/heavier.

[TLWeight]

I suppose it has been like two days since you started a thread.

A couple guesses at why I can make.

Starting Strength is primarily directed at those who are capable of more rapid progression. Broaden the applicant pool, the progression may become too much too soon.

Many fail to eat adequately, which slows progress.

Slower progression also allows for little bit more of the inevitable, people starting too heavy, no matter what they are told in an attempt to prevent it.

Progression should be sustainable longer/heavier.

Thanks and I haven’t started a thread in more than two days

But whatever you say

[davisj3537]

The progression has you adding 160lbs to your squat in 4 months. I've never had anyone tell me they made it 4 months without failing squat....

[OldFartTom]

How can you cover more distance.... running at sprint or by taking a slower pace

[BDStraining]

Long term progression is necessarily slow- fast gains often require unsustainable measures, then result is fast losses when the unsustainable, becomes unsustainable.

Strength, growth and gains should be looked at in months and years- it's a slow process, that's why most don't stick to it.

[MyEgoProblem]

The progression has you adding 160lbs to your squat in 4 months. I've never had anyone tell me they made it 4 months without failing squat....

Actually...

😂 hi...

[Nelg1993]

@Davis

I did, I started with the bar (at that time I weighted 130lbs at 6ft). I went on with the program for about 6 months without failing once in the squat (I did deload on purpose sometimes when I felt my form wasn’t 100% though). After those 6 months I weighted 150lbs with a squat of 225x5.

Unfortunately, having a set progression scheme forces you to add weight even when you shouldn’t. Blew out my shoulder during the OHP. 1 year of PT later and I can finally get back into lifting.

I love the program, but progression gets a bit too fast at some point.

Quite the opposite of what OP is telling here after his first 2 sessions...

[davisj3537]

Actually...

😂 hi...

Killed it mate

@Davis

I did, I started with the bar (at that time I weighted 130lbs at 6ft). I went on with the program for about 6 months without failing once in the squat (I did deload on purpose sometimes when I felt my form wasn’t 100% though). After those 6 months I weighted 150lbs with a squat of 225x5.

Unfortunately, having a set progression scheme forces you to add weight even when you shouldn’t. Blew out my shoulder during the OHP. 1 year of PT later and I can finally get back into lifting.

I love the program, but progression gets a bit too fast at some point.

Quite the opposite of what OP is telling here after his first 2 sessions...

I stand corrected on two accounts now.

Dude that is awful to hear of the shoulder. I know all too well about the woes of shoulder injuries. I have to wonder if there was some technical form failure that was overlooked to blow out a shoulder. I know when I messed up my shoulder and my hip it was my form that caused them both.

[Nelg1993]

@Davis

I think it wasn’t bad form per se, my first 4 reps of the third set were clean, but I wanted to get the fifth so I could move up in weight finally (after stalling and deloading 2x). I lowered the weight too fast and too deep so that put all of the pressure on my labrum, after which I helped the weight up with a bit of leg drive and on my way up my shoulder popped so I stopped immediatly. Kept on lifting after a weeks rest, but the got an mri and apparently I have a tear in my labrum, biceps tendon and supraspinatus tendon.

Nothing they can do about it really, as surgery doesn’t offer a guarantee that my pain will go away. Been training with a PT for 3 months now, lots of rowing exercises, triceps iso’s, added a lot of mass to my traps (middle and lower), rear delts, strenghtened my external rotators... Seems to help a lot. But my stability is like 60% of what it should be, so I have TOS (a nerve condidition) and a lot of tightness in my traps/neck. I can bench again ‘tho, just have to stop when my arms are paralel to the floor, few inches shy of my chest. But nothing with my shoulders flexed or in abduction. Back squats are out unfortunately, deadlifts aswel due to the tear in my biceps tendon..

Moral of the story: I’d rather go slower in weight progression than mess up something else again.

[Squid24]

I like the progression. It's at the right amount for everyone.

You can add weight every workout if you want, but failure will come sooner than you would want it to, and that is not always best..