Let’s talk peptide bonded BCAA’s

[lucia316]

Button Fly Jeans.

I always wanted 501s as a kid, but they didn't fit us "husky" kids.

[compan]

I always wanted 501s as a kid, but they didn't fit us "husky" kids.

501s are a straight fit...how "husky" were you?

[lucia316]

501s are a straight fit...how "husky" were you?

I was beefy as a kid. 150 at age 10.

[ILPump]

I was beefy as a kid. 150 at age 10.

That’s a little more than “beefy”

[danielmoo]

Anyone remember Super drol protein

EST Labs...lol good old Keith

https://web.archive.org/web/20100529...with-propadrol

[Gym God]

501's were a great pair of jeans...

Until you were **** faced at a high school party and had to try and unbutton them off a chick.

[compan]

501's were a great pair of jeans...

Until you were **** faced at a high school party and had to try and unbutton them off a chick.

Or dude for some in here.

OT2000.....Giggity


edit: lol strong CM addition

[lucia316]

That’s a little more than “beefy”

Yeah. Too big to play youth football because they had a 120lb weight limit.

[TheFugitive]

Yeah. Too big to play youth football because they had a 120lb weight limit.

Tommy like wings

[lucia316]

Tommy like wings

So did little Ryan...plus lots of other stuff.

[LoudyRowdy]

No statement from BPI yet.... so okay 👌

[TMac26]

Never gonna get a response.


I think they think they are “too big to care” honestly

[lucia316]

Never gonna get a response.


I think they think they are “too big to care” honestly

But Chromadex?

Probably, just like the thread linked earlier. If ignored long enough it will just go away. Except when it doesn't?

[VaughnTrue]

Never gonna get a response.


I think they think they are “too big to care” honestly

they can't say anything legally right now. Their legal team is undoubtedly addressing it in some fashion however.

[dougefresh93]

they can't say anything legally right now. Their legal team is undoubtedly addressing it in some fashion however.

never stops VPX

[compan]

they can't say anything legally right now. Their legal team is undoubtedly addressing it in some fashion however.

Likely this. I'm sure denying it may cause some legal trouble for them if they know the truth...

[VaughnTrue]

Likely this. I'm sure denying it may cause some legal trouble for them if they know the truth...

of course they know the truth lol

[LoudyRowdy]

Assuming this is all true... the real winner is BPI. Why even put in 5g or whatever BCAAs in the product or “peptides”? Just sprinkle and make some serious money because the end results will be the same regardless of which product the consumers use.

[compan]

of course they know the truth lol

Oh of course.

But the RESULTS Vaughn... how can so many people be wrong?

[OT2000]

So for you industry insiders, does the one doing the manufacturing have some ownership here?

[VaughnTrue]

So for you industry insiders, does the one doing the manufacturing have some ownership here?

Possibly, but only if the company THOUGHT (and had documentation to prove) that their products were being filled with the peptide bonded bcaas. Even then however, the company is responsible for at least some testing of finished material to confirm it meets their own spec sheets.

The manufacturer ultimately isn't responsible for a companies label being correct, that's on the company themselves.

If BPI contracted a manufacturer to produce a peptide bonded BCAA product and ave them anything but that, the company should have caught it in QC testing and when they realized it did not meet label claims conduct a full-scale product recall. If these events happened, BPI would be able to have recourse against the manufacturer for fees/damages, but may still be held liable by the consumers affected by the mislabeling (which is what insurance is for)

[OT2000]

Ok I can get that. So where does Chromadex fit in here? The contracted, paid QC agent?

[VaughnTrue]

Ok I can get that. So where does Chromadex fit in here? The contracted, paid QC agent?

Not a single aspect of the Chromadex seal thing has ever made sense to me. I have no damn clue.



edit:

I just read up on what they were claiming to test. No where do they say finished testing to confirm label accuracy but state

A comprehensive identity testing program for raw materials and finished products;

I could easily argue that the product was tested against internal documents/spec sheets (which may differ from what's actually going into the product) and say "see? it passed the tests we were given to compare against. that's why it got our seal of approval".

[OT2000]

Not a single aspect of the Chromadex seal thing has ever made sense to me. I have no damn clue.



edit:

I just read up on what they were claiming to test. No where do they say finished testing to confirm label accuracy but state


I could easily argue that the product was tested against internal documents/spec sheets (which may differ from what's actually going into the product) and say "see? it passed the tests we were given to compare against. that's why it got our seal of approval".

Ok so here is where I am curious. Ever since that label came out, I have been questioning it repeatedly saying what your edit just stated. Where does it say label accuracy is tested? My answers were always the video (which a company spokesman does say label accuracy or maybe it’s “finished product iirc) or an outright statement of “it includes label accuracy “. But that was in reference to the protein product not others.

[compan]

Ok so here is where I am curious. Ever since that label came out, I have been questioning it repeatedly saying what your edit just stated. Where does it say label accuracy is tested? My answers were always the video (which a company spokesman does say label accuracy or maybe it’s “finished product iirc) or an outright statement of “it includes label accuracy “. But that was in reference to the protein product not others.

"A comprehensive identity testing program for raw materials and finished products" you'd think would catch a fundamental flaw in a product having a peptide attached to it.

[VaughnTrue]

"A comprehensive identity testing program for raw materials and finished products" you'd think would catch a fundamental flaw in a product having a peptide attached to it.

one would think that, but only if the actual intention of the program was to actually validate product potency/purity and not simply be a marketing tool.

[OT2000]

According to the link the sock account posted, they are alleging that Chromadex knew?

As posted

“ThermoLife's Complaint goes on to explain how BPI claims on its product labels, and in its advertising, that its BCAA products are independently verified by well-known testing lab ChromaDex. But, as alleged by ThermoLife, independent verified lab tests submitted with ThermoLife's Complaint that were performed by Covance Inc. (the company who recently purchased ChromaDex) have proven to ThermoLife that all of BPI's advertising and label claims about their peptide bonded BCAAs are lies; ThermoLife alleges that these tests further prove that BPI has defrauded consumers out of millions of dollars by selling mislabeled, misbranded, and falsely advertised BCAA products.”

So if I am reading this correctly, Covance now tested the product in question or maybe supplied results after purchasing Chromadex (or buying their verification program) and the product did not meet claims.

It makes you think either one or both knew, one jumped off (sold the program or whatever) and/or did not in fact say batches were verified but the label, marketing continued.

In reference to the products mentioned and allegedly.

[LoudyRowdy]

Does it make any difference if peptides were in the tubs? Not having peptides actually made the product inferior to other bcaa products?

[compan]

Does it make any difference if peptides were in the tubs? Not having peptides actually made the product inferior to other bcaa products?

I think it matters if the seal was supposed to verify content identity. It is one thing for the label to say one quantity and it be another, it's another thing for the identity of the ingredients to be different entirely and meet their "identity verification".

[ILPump]

I think it matters if the seal was supposed to verify content identity. It is one thing for the label to say one quantity and it be another, it's another thing for the identity of the ingredients to be different entirely and meet their "identity verification".

Video explains entire process