"7 Years of BJJ and I Got Smashed by a D3 Wrestler on his 1st Week"

[Mr.PissShivers]

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Bruce Lee learned grappling from catch wrestler and judo black belt Gene Lebell.

[JGats]

Lmao that's the gym I used to train at. Chewy is a great guy.

[iloveus]

[Reliance012]

7 years of bjj and you cant submit someone that has no idea how to defend submissions?

seems legit

This. Guy is either absolutely terrible or the wrestler has trained Bjj before.

Anyone that’s spent a fuking day in a gym knows how easy purple and brown belts can submit wrestlers with no Bjj experience. Hell most blue belts can. They have absolutely no idea when a sub is coming and how to defend it. None whatsoever.

[Murrmanski]

Watch Josh Barnett vs Dean Lister in Metamoris.

Catch Wrestling vs BJJ

Although, Barnett has tonnes of BJJ experience as well. It's still a great match to watch to contrast their preferred styles.

[Mr.PissShivers]

Although, Barnett has tonnes of BJJ experience as well. It's still a great match to watch to contrast their preferred styles.

Not exactly, Josh was gifted a bjj black belt in order to compete in a black belt tournament. His "experience" in bjj is mainly in competition and sparring against bjj.

Josh even wrote an article explaining how it happened:
https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/josh-b...hat-you-think/

[Twice11]

7 years of bjj and you cant submit someone that has no idea how to defend submissions?

seems legit

They actually have some submission defense though (at least in my experience.)

[EidFnatic]

Lmao that's the gym I used to train at. Chewy is a great guy.

Fukk the Chewy.

[KingSWRV]

Submissions besides rear naked chokes from people giving up the back are wack as fuk you’d have to be slow to get caught by one when not hurt.

You’d have to be super weak and untrained compared to your opponent being way stronger.

That’s why submissions are hardly ever used anymore and shows how noobish early fighters used to be. How much the fight game has evolved.

It’s this whole complex game you learn just to not use it but more importantly to it have it used on you. But it’s always more efficient to do other things instead.

[DFS200]

Some people are just bad at sports and decades of bjj practice won't make them good. Wrestlers will naturally have good control and positioning instincts and explode into positions where a lot of bjj hobbyists adopt a more relaxed style of grappling.

Like the guy in the video said, even if you're really good at bjj there will be athletically gifted people that will be difficult to control on their first week of grappling.

[FailedPotential]

Submissions besides rear naked chokes from people giving up the back are wack as fuk you’d have to be slow to get caught by one when not hurt.

You’d have to be super weak and untrained compared to your opponent being way stronger.

That’s why submissions are hardly ever used anymore and shows how noobish early fighters used to be. How much the fight game has evolved.

It’s this whole complex game you learn just to not use it but more importantly to it have it used on you. But it’s always more efficient to do other things instead.

Feel like not seeing any triangles or arm-bars even close to as often as before

[EidFnatic]

Feel like not seeing any triangles or arm-bars even close to as often as before

Its because everyone is improving, dummy.

[1hardgainer]

Doesn't wrestling mostly focus on takedowns and pinning? Since when does wrestling involve submissions? There's no way an experienced BJJ practitioner should lose to a pure wrestler. Looks like either the wrestler had more BJJ training than he led people to believe or the 7-year jiu-jitsu guy wasn't paying attention in class the past 7 years.

[veggie530]

There's way less of a difference in a D3 and D1 wrestler than people think. Could be a simple as the state you wrestle in or your highschool

This. Most serious BJJ practitioners wouldn't be able to tell the difference while competing with them if they were D1 D3, etc

Doesn't wrestling mostly focus on takedowns and pinning? Since when does wrestling involve submissions? There's no way an experienced BJJ practitioner should lose to a pure wrestler. Looks like either the wrestler had more BJJ training than he led people to believe or the 7-year jiu-jitsu guy wasn't paying attention in class the past 7 years.

It's 2018 man. No chance a wrestler doesn't now subs. Even way back in like 07/08 I knew subs going into BJJ from youtube. Wasn't very good at them but I could overpower someone weaker than me to get one

Plus, subs from top position (where a wrestler is likely to be) are way easier than guard

[MEDITATE]

D3 wrestlers have 8+ years of grappling.

D3 wrestlers train to compete and win.

D3 wrestling practice is 100 times harder than BJJ practice.

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I agree with all this, but can you elaborate more on bold

[veggie530]

I agree with all this, but can you elaborate more on bold

wrestling practice is balls to the wall competition among your team. you're basically competing every roll of every practice.

at least from what I've experienced/observed

[JungleJenetics]

I agree with all this, but can you elaborate more on bold

Unless you're in a gym with killers the overall intensity of wrestling is higher.

[I3igAl]

Doesn't wrestling mostly focus on takedowns and pinning? Since when does wrestling involve submissions? There's no way an experienced BJJ practitioner should lose to a pure wrestler. Looks like either the wrestler had more BJJ training than he led people to believe or the 7-year jiu-jitsu guy wasn't paying attention in class the past 7 years.

If he is a lot stronger and gets a nice takedown he can just hold the other guy in place, which would be frustrating and count as smashing. Also the dude in the OP specifies, he trained on and off.

[hotsaucebrah]

D3 wrestlers have 8+ years of grappling.

D3 wrestlers train to compete and win.

D3 wrestling practice is 100 times harder than BJJ practice.

/thread

A good high school program practice is way harder than a BJJ practice. I wrestled 4 years in high school and I don't know how you can replicate that. Wrestling is the only sport I know where I've seen hs athletes straight-up turn down scholarships. The conditioning and weight cutting is miserable.

[LeakyQuesadilla]

A good high school program practice is way harder than a BJJ practice. I wrestled 4 years in high school and I don't know how you can replicate that. Wrestling is the only sport I know where I've seen hs athletes straight-up turn down scholarships. The conditioning and weight cutting is miserable.

I talked to a former D1 wrestler who told me that in one of his earliest practices, a teammate clubbed him so hard in the back of the head that he literally blacked out.

The atmosphere is f*cking intense and like Ben Askren says there is no 40 year old hobbyist casually training, its a bunch of 18-23 year olds training balls to the wall everyday with the goal of winning.

[cgc]

only if he can get up from being knocked down by a silly jab

Any grappler that stands there long enough to exchange strikes is dumb. If you look at fights like Toney vs Couture, Randy immediately went for a take down.

Watch Josh Barnett vs Dean Lister in Metamoris.

Catch Wrestling vs BJJ

Although, Barnett has tonnes of BJJ experience as well. It's still a great match to watch to contrast their preferred styles.

Didn't Barnett also have a pretty good weight advantage (40 lbs or so). Correct me if I'm wrong, but yes...the techniques used are interesting to watch.

I agree with all this, but can you elaborate more on bold

the 100X harder was obviously an exaggeration....HOWEVER...its been years since I did a pure Wrestling practice, but yes, it was a harder training. A lot more intense and IMO a lot more constant moving with little rest. IMO, Wrestling builds one of the best over all work ethics in people than any other sport BECAUSE of how intense it is...you have to be very mentally and physically tough. Not saying you don't have to be in order to take part in other sports, but Wrestling is on a different level IMO.

[TheHighlander1]

Mannnnn......dis guy needs to belich in da gwwwwaaaaaaddddz!

[xpin2winx]

Not a great example but when Romero rocked Jacare in the 1st round and literally went ape mode in Jacare's guard without any regard for being submitted. Romero literally just rag dolled Jacare on the ground in that round. Thats a comparison IMO

[PimpinisEasy]

BJJ teaches people to be passive and to focus on technique. Wrestling teaches people to be tough, to grind on the opponent and wear them out.

The mentality is completely different. BJJ guys will often struggle with the intensity a wrestler will bring to the table.

[EidFnatic]

BJJ guys will often struggle with the intensity a wrestler will bring to the table.

Not me.

[PimpinisEasy]

Not me.

In my experience they struggle. I have had BJJ guys flip out at me before saying it's just training etc... they didn't realise I was going easy on them lol.

I spar with BJJ blackbelts without a problem and I am not even a white belt.

[7fire7]

bjj is overrated af, srs

[Sal29]

The effort and quality of training is more important than the time.
Royce Gracie or Rickson Gracie in their primes would have destroyed Olympic Gold Medalists in Wrestling many weight classes above them let alone in their own weight class.

[iloveus]

The effort and quality of training is more important than the time.
Royce Gracie or Rickson Gracie in their primes would have destroyed Olympic Gold Medalists in Wrestling many weight classes above them let alone in their own weight class.

But how do you know? Have you seen them go up against a Gold medalist?

[EidFnatic]

In my experience they struggle. I have had BJJ guys flip out at me before saying it's just training etc... they didn't realise I was going easy on them lol.

I spar with BJJ blackbelts without a problem and I am not even a white belt.

You should come train with me some time.

Seems like you would benefit from a lickle humbling.