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    Can you be a 'good' person, and be successful in sales?

    Soon I will begin a new job at my company selling our proprietary quant. investment portfolios - to financial advisers (not clients directly).

    But, I'm a pretty 'wholesome' person, and don't want to participate in the debauchery, or degeneracy acts that are synonymous with the 'sales lifestyle'.

    Am I in over my head on this one? I'm the guy who if I found $100.00 bill on the ground I'd try to get it back to it's rightful owner.
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    Would you buy it?

    If yes, then it can be wholesome.
    If no, then you will have to become a degenerate salesman.
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    Depends on if you can legitimately say your product is better than some other guys product. If you can't and your product is sub par, then what is in it for the person you are selling it to? If the answer is no advantage, then yeah you might have a hard time making money.

    As for the "sales lifestyle" there is room for people like that and room for people who aren't like that. Just be yourself. If you aren't like that, unless you change who you are, you won't be able to pull it off anyway.
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    Came in to echo the above. No issue if it’s a quality product and you aren’t selling to people that don’t need it just to hit a quota.
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    It depends what you're selling OP. If you think it's valuable and the price is fair, then you will actually feel good about making sales (not just because of the money)
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    I'm gonna say no. There is a reason sales guys have no friends. They are scumbags
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    It’s about being good at presentation and speech and an orator.

    Your goal is to get people to like talking to you and to trust you.

    You are a trust builder.

    The best way to build trust is to be perceived as a good quality person.

    It’s a noob thought to think it involves being a liar or stretcher of truth. Or maybe that’s what your noob mind is neurotically mono-focused on but there’s lots of elements to sales.

    You can also go in the opposite direction and be such a cuck that you can’t do the job because you made it be about something it’s not or trying to prevent something that’s not even wrong but you wrongfully perceive it as such.

    Just go in the there and learn the pitch and memorize what you’re explaining and try to get people to trust you and to agree with you.

    There’s nothing evil about that.

    We wouldn’t have sales people if it wasn’t more effective than just a product on a shelf not selling itself.

    Sales is a valid way of pressure in society because it makes our economy go round.

    If there are consumers out there who don’t like pushy salesmen they are free to leave to country and go to one where sales is outlawed.

    But in a free country we have the right to sell.
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    Honestly it can be hard to be a good person in business as a whole. Some of the chit I've seen my peers doing to bring in extra profit just blows my mind srs. It has made me spend a decent chunk of time reflecting on ethics in the pursuit of revenue and profit and how, in many cases, it's such a fine line you need to walk


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    Can you be good at sales with long hair or will people assume you are untrustworthy?
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    You can do ok but you will never do as well as those without morals.
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    Originally Posted by SuperHercules View Post
    It depends what you're selling OP. If you think it's valuable and the price is fair, then you will actually feel good about making sales (not just because of the money)
    Well, this is not really the right place to hold an active versus passive investment debate, but for almost any retirement account long term success definitely relies on at least SOME exposure to passive beta investments. My firm has taken this 2 steps further and used our proprietary risk model to build investment portfolios based around passive factor investing (aka "Smart beta") that will closely track their benchmarks.

    That's a lot of "geek speak" - I get it - but, is it a good product? Yes, absolutely. Are we doing anything that isn't done at other firms? No. Does my firm have a competitive advantage? Yes, absolutely. Would I invest in these portfolios myself? Absolutely. I wouldn't invest 100% of my portfolio in them, but as far as getting a low cost beta exposure, they're a great bet. That's going to have to be the angle I take when selling them.
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    Originally Posted by PowerPal View Post
    I'm gonna say no. There is a reason sales guys have no friends. They are scumbags
    What an idiotic cuck statement
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    Originally Posted by seanb1979 View Post
    You can do ok but you will never do as well as those without morals.
    What a dumb cliche, spoken like someone who’s never been in sales.
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    Yes but you have to be extroverted and outgoing and hustle. It's not for everyone
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    If you work for yourself in your own business you can be a good person.

    Working for a company probably not. Most likely would be pressure to sell sell sell
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    Sales also helps you understand how to better charm women so you gotta be a total cuck phaggot to be anti sales
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    Originally Posted by KingSWRV View Post
    What a dumb cliche, spoken like someone who’s never been in sales.
    Lol wrong buddy, I make an extra 30k a year selling **** without even really trying. I was also in the mortgage industry. I have more or less 20 years in sales. I've seen all types, and those willing to do ANYTHING will always win as long as they're not doing anything that will easily land them in prison. I've seen fake appraisals, forged signatures, dodged lawsuits, etc. You sound like a kid with no experience.

    The top earners have no scruples and will do whatever it takes to make that cash.
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    Originally Posted by RoxyFoxy22 View Post
    I am very good at sales and I'm a good person.
    you're really not (at both)
    Subjecting yourself to self imposed discipline is the surest way to increase the quality of your existence

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    I'd argue that you have to be a 'good' person in sales. Especially true in a relationship driven business with repeat customers.
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    Sales also helps you understand how to better charm women so you gotta be a total cuck phaggot to be anti sales
    this. Learning sales will also help you become a more social person overall and you can talk to anyone
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    Originally Posted by MarinoMike View Post
    Well, this is not really the right place to hold an active versus passive investment debate, but for almost any retirement account long term success definitely relies on at least SOME exposure to passive beta investments. My firm has taken this 2 steps further and used our proprietary risk model to build investment portfolios based around passive factor investing (aka "Smart beta") that will closely track their benchmarks.

    That's a lot of "geek speak" - I get it - but, is it a good product? Yes, absolutely. Are we doing anything that isn't done at other firms? No. Does my firm have a competitive advantage? Yes, absolutely. Would I invest in these portfolios myself? Absolutely. I wouldn't invest 100% of my portfolio in them, but as far as getting a low cost beta exposure, they're a great bet. That's going to have to be the angle I take when selling them.
    Then just quit your job if you think you are above the morals.

    You don’t have to believe in the product that you sell to sell that will just hold you back.

    You sell because that’s your duty, your culturally accepted role. It’s your job to play that role and any normal non cuck consumers know you are in that role and shouldn’t take it personally. They have all the power to not buy the product. You don’t gotta worry about their feelings.

    It’s a role like cop, firefighter, doctor, salesman, you are wearing a hat and other people get it, you’re doing a role in a job.

    You are just an autist and you’re not smart or brave enough to learn the craft.

    That’s the real reason, it’s an excuse because you know you’re kinda slow and autistic low test beta male.

    All types of autists tend to matriculate in the weird ass state of Colorado.

    The fact you are so stuck on this is already a sign that you will suck because you’re missing the whole point of sales and business.

    Like you’re not worried about performing you’re worried about being a cuck.
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    Originally Posted by KingSWRV View Post
    Then just quit your job if you think you are above the morals.

    You don’t have to believe in the product that you sell to sell that will just hold you back.

    You sell because that’s your duty, your culturally accepted role. It’s your job to play that role and any normal non cuck consumers know you are in that role and shouldn’t take it personally. They have all the power to not buy the product. You don’t gotta worry about their feelings.

    It’s a role like cop, firefighter, doctor, salesman, you are wearing a hat and other people get it, you’re doing a role in a job.

    You are just an autist and you’re not smart or brave enough to learn the craft.

    That’s the real reason, it’s an excuse because you know you’re kinda slow and autistic low test beta male.

    All types of autists tend to matriculate in the weird ass state of Colorado.

    The fact you are so stuck on this is already a sign that you will suck because you’re missing the whole point of sales and business.

    Like you’re not worried about performing you’re worried about being a cuck.
    First off, thanks for the feedback. Second off, I think you might have misinterpreted what I meant by "beta" in all of that. Thirdly, game on mafacka.
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    Originally Posted by seanb1979 View Post
    Lol wrong buddy, I make an extra 30k a year selling **** without even really trying. I was also in the mortgage industry. I have more or less 20 years in sales. I've seen all types, and those willing to do ANYTHING will always win as long as they're not doing anything that will easily land them in prison. I've seen fake appraisals, forged signatures, dodged lawsuits, etc. You sound like a kid with no experience.

    The top earners have no scruples and will do whatever it takes to make that cash.
    No people who break the rules usually get fired and don’t last very long. Just because some corrupt organizations exist, doesn’t mean it’s the norm in the industry. Most people are just trust builders and good conversationists/people whomlots of people want to talk to even though they are strangers. The most successful people aren’t the ones who break the rules for a quick shortcut, but rather are the most inviting and friendly characters and set consistent goals for self motivation.
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    Originally Posted by MarinoMike View Post
    First off, thanks for the feedback. Second off, I think you might have misinterpreted what I meant by "beta" in all of that. Thirdly, game on mafacka.
    No prob lol I used to be a sales trainer for mall cell phone kiosk sellers and new hires lul
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