Closed Thread
Results 1 to 16 of 16
  1. #1
    Registered User blackumbrella's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2017
    Age: 38
    Posts: 6
    Rep Power: 0
    blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50)
    blackumbrella is offline

    Am I out of shape or really sick?

    46yo male, 5'10", 212lbs, 31.1 BMI - pretty sedentary for the last 10 years.
    (although I've always been at least 200lbs - high was 230)

    Resting HR 61, BP 115/67.

    I sleep 8 - 12hr a day, and spend a lot of time in bed (don't go into office).

    I've reached the point that I don't know if I'm really sick, or just seriously out of shape. I just went through 3k worth of tests at the hospital and they can't find anything wrong with me. (besides being overweight).

    I cut sugar out completely 2 months ago. I walk daily between 5,000 - 10,000 steps and can do light elliptical for 30 min a day, or 30 min on upright bike. I can do 15 pushups, workout with weights etc.

    However, when I just go out normally, and like - walk down the street, walk in the mall, try to clean the pool, etc - I get extreme fatigue within 30 min of starting the exercise.. Today I walked from a hotel to a store - 30 min, was having palpitations, and extreme fatigue by the time I got there, had to take taxi home.

    Lost sex drive, and ability to do 'normal' things...

    How can you tell if you're just really out of shape, or if you have something like Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or some kind of auto immune disease?

    What workout program can you do to get back in shape? Add 5 min of walking per day?

    Thanks!

  2. #2
    Registered User Ghawk21's Avatar
    Join Date: Dec 2016
    Age: 27
    Posts: 1,088
    Rep Power: 8778
    Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000)
    Ghawk21 is online now
    You're resting HR and BP seem fine. Did you do any type of exercise stress test?

    Whats your diet like, do you keep track of protein, fats, calories etc? Diet issues could certainly cause problems with fatigue.

    Starting a lifting routine would be your best bet to start exercises but if you're getting heart palpitations from a 30min walk I would make sure to discuss that with your doctor first.
    Bench: 330
    Squat: 475
    Deadlift: 515
    The only advice I offer is to eat more and do less sets.

  3. #3
    Registered User blackumbrella's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2017
    Age: 38
    Posts: 6
    Rep Power: 0
    blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50) blackumbrella will become famous soon enough. (+50)
    blackumbrella is offline
    Originally Posted by Ghawk21 View Post
    You're resting HR and BP seem fine. Did you do any type of exercise stress test?

    Whats your diet like, do you keep track of protein, fats, calories etc? Diet issues could certainly cause problems with fatigue.

    Starting a lifting routine would be your best bet to start exercises but if you're getting heart palpitations from a 30min walk I would make sure to discuss that with your doctor first.
    Thanks,

    Diet is pretty good - salads, lean protein, no sugars. But remember - it's only been two months.

    Typically I only get palpitations when at rest, laying in bed, watching TV.. I NEVER get them when exercising. I will get them when doing menial chores or walking around.. Not hard exercise (like HIT cardio)..

    Fatigue is often overwhelming.. However hospital checked for CFS and autoimmune and came back normal. Cortisol normal etc.. (sigh)

    Stress test was fine, palps were deemed 'insignificant'.. (at least to Dr. not to me!) lol

    Feels like I have cancer or something (tumor markers negative), like I will fall over dead any second.. I feel sick, but - will admit to a big belly, which isn't normal.. Maybe if I lose some weight, or up my exercise routine.. ?

  4. #4
    Registered User Ghawk21's Avatar
    Join Date: Dec 2016
    Age: 27
    Posts: 1,088
    Rep Power: 8778
    Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000) Ghawk21 is a name known to all. (+5000)
    Ghawk21 is online now
    As long as the doctors okay with you bumping up the exercise then it certainly wouldn't hurt. Losing some weight would probably help. If you haven't yet, read the stickies in the nutrition forum about calculating calories/TDEE. Without tracking your calories you won't know how much you're taking in, might be under eating fats which can cause fatigue issues. Theres some great novice lifting routines in the workout program stickies as well. Fierce 5, Vikings and All Pros would all work if you want to start lifting.
    Bench: 330
    Squat: 475
    Deadlift: 515
    The only advice I offer is to eat more and do less sets.

  5. #5
    Yells at clouds BS57's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2018
    Posts: 2,396
    Rep Power: 14761
    BS57 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) BS57 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) BS57 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) BS57 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) BS57 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) BS57 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) BS57 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) BS57 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) BS57 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) BS57 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) BS57 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    BS57 is offline
    Dealt with this OP? Sounds like you haven't:

    Originally Posted by blackumbrella View Post

    Essentially, I was in okay shape before, but got sick (depressed / bipolar) and gained some weight (40lbs). Currently at 212lbs.
    Start there.
    "We seem to have reached the age where life stops giving us things and starts taking them away."
    Dean Stanforth- Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

  6. #6
    Registered User DCSpartan's Avatar
    Join Date: Apr 2010
    Age: 47
    Posts: 9,319
    Rep Power: 13540
    DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    DCSpartan is offline
    Dude, if you are bipolar DO NOT PASS GO talk to a doctor.

  7. #7
    Registered User Gwybodaeth's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2017
    Age: 48
    Posts: 318
    Rep Power: 4221
    Gwybodaeth is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) Gwybodaeth is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) Gwybodaeth is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) Gwybodaeth is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) Gwybodaeth is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) Gwybodaeth is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) Gwybodaeth is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) Gwybodaeth is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) Gwybodaeth is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) Gwybodaeth is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) Gwybodaeth is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    Gwybodaeth is offline
    Are you currently on antidepressants / antipsychotics or any other prescription medication?

  8. #8
    Weak and foolish OldFartTom's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2017
    Posts: 2,295
    Rep Power: 12276
    OldFartTom is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) OldFartTom is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) OldFartTom is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) OldFartTom is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) OldFartTom is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) OldFartTom is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) OldFartTom is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) OldFartTom is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) OldFartTom is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) OldFartTom is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) OldFartTom is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    OldFartTom is offline
    Ask doc if any medication afects your ability or suitability to exercise.

    Ask doc if palpitations are stress, IMHO if you get them when trying to go to sleep (not exercise) it's not dangerous and is stress... but I'm not a doc so my opinion could be 100% wrong and harmful

    So you are 212 and been sedentary for 10 years and 30 mins exercise exhausts you..? No sh!t Sherlock. That's normal. Get your bmi into low 20s and slowly get accustomed to gentle exercise and it'll be very different

    Best wishes beating the bipolar quickly. Get well soon
    Last edited by OldFartTom; 11-10-2018 at 08:45 AM.
    Faith in Jesus first and faith in squats second.
    Then other details will start to slot themselves into place.
    BW on 29/09/2018 - 72 Kg , Target BW - 70 Kg / 154# (6kg down, 2 more to go, slowly does it).

  9. #9
    I Climb Trees health4life24's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2013
    Posts: 11,299
    Rep Power: 181722
    health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    health4life24 is offline
    If you are cleared for exercise by the doctors then starting with a little bit and adding in more as you go isn't a bad idea. Strength training and cardio. Cardio isn't just to burn more calories so you lose more weight it is good for heart health.

    Are you speaking to a counselor about your depression? If not, I would consider it, because talking to someone can really help.

    Exercise is also a great natural way to combat depression. It can help you release endorphins which are what make people feel good. I know for me, working out is a necessary therapy 6 days a week. I could not go to the gym any less than 6 days because the act of training helps anchor me and helps me stay focused and deal with the stuff I got going on in my life.
    *If you're worried about overtraining, chances are you are actually undertraining. Don't be afraid to push yourself beyond what you think you can do.

  10. #10
    Registered User paulinkansas's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2018
    Age: 48
    Posts: 12
    Rep Power: 0
    paulinkansas will become famous soon enough. (+50) paulinkansas will become famous soon enough. (+50) paulinkansas will become famous soon enough. (+50) paulinkansas will become famous soon enough. (+50) paulinkansas will become famous soon enough. (+50) paulinkansas will become famous soon enough. (+50) paulinkansas will become famous soon enough. (+50) paulinkansas will become famous soon enough. (+50) paulinkansas will become famous soon enough. (+50) paulinkansas will become famous soon enough. (+50) paulinkansas will become famous soon enough. (+50)
    paulinkansas is offline
    What he ^^^ said. Get those endorphins flowing man.

  11. #11
    Registered User DCSpartan's Avatar
    Join Date: Apr 2010
    Age: 47
    Posts: 9,319
    Rep Power: 13540
    DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    DCSpartan is offline
    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    What he ^^^ said. Get those endorphins flowing man.
    Dumbass, OP is bipolar, not depressed. Dont dispense medical advice.

  12. #12
    Registered User DCSpartan's Avatar
    Join Date: Apr 2010
    Age: 47
    Posts: 9,319
    Rep Power: 13540
    DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    DCSpartan is offline
    Originally Posted by health4life24 View Post
    If you are cleared for exercise by the doctors then starting with a little bit and adding in more as you go isn't a bad idea. Strength training and cardio. Cardio isn't just to burn more calories so you lose more weight it is good for heart health.

    Are you speaking to a counselor about your depression? If not, I would consider it, because talking to someone can really help.

    Exercise is also a great natural way to combat depression. It can help you release endorphins which are what make people feel good. I know for me, working out is a necessary therapy 6 days a week. I could not go to the gym any less than 6 days because the act of training helps anchor me and helps me stay focused and deal with the stuff I got going on in my life.
    Bipolar isnt depression, moron.

  13. #13
    I Climb Trees health4life24's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2013
    Posts: 11,299
    Rep Power: 181722
    health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    health4life24 is offline
    Originally Posted by DCSpartan View Post
    Bipolar isnt depression, moron.
    See here: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/syc-20355955

    Originally Posted by DCSpartan View Post
    Dumbass, OP is bipolar, not depressed. Dont dispense medical advice.
    I know what it is, and bipolar can be considered a form of depression. And all I was trying to do was help. Why are you being such a dick? I literally was just trying to give the OP some encouragement and advice. You don't have to be so rude.

    I'm not trying to give any medical advice or anything like that because I know that is against forum rules. Hence why I suggested speaking to a professional.

    YOU could have gotten your point across without being so negative. There’s enough of that already.
    Last edited by health4life24; 11-10-2018 at 10:35 AM.
    *If you're worried about overtraining, chances are you are actually undertraining. Don't be afraid to push yourself beyond what you think you can do.

  14. #14
    I Climb Trees health4life24's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2013
    Posts: 11,299
    Rep Power: 181722
    health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    health4life24 is offline
    Don't get wrapped up in the negativity on here OP. Everyone is trying to help in their own way. When in doubt, it is always recommended to speak to a medical professional regarding any questions or concerns you have.
    *If you're worried about overtraining, chances are you are actually undertraining. Don't be afraid to push yourself beyond what you think you can do.

  15. #15
    Registered User DCSpartan's Avatar
    Join Date: Apr 2010
    Age: 47
    Posts: 9,319
    Rep Power: 13540
    DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DCSpartan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    DCSpartan is offline
    Originally Posted by health4life24 View Post
    I know what it is, and bipolar can be considered a form of depression. .
    Not in their manic phase. Which is why your advice is so screwed up - leave it to a doc. When your advice can actually harm someone, its not being a dick to call you out.

  16. #16
    I Climb Trees health4life24's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2013
    Posts: 11,299
    Rep Power: 181722
    health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) health4life24 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    health4life24 is offline
    Someone needs to close this thread before we have anymore misunderstandings.

    Originally Posted by DCSpartan View Post
    Not in their manic phase. Which is why your advice is so screwed up - leave it to a doc. When your advice can actually harm someone, its not being a dick to call you out.
    You are acting like I am purposely trying to steer OP in the wrong direction and that is not the case. If you disagree with my advice or think it is wrong it isn’t because I was purposely trying to cause any harm.

    My intention was not to try and harm anyone. Hence why I suggested speaking to a professional. I was not trying to give any medical advice or tell OP anything that could harm him.

    I was merely stating that exercise is a good tool that can help combat the lows of depression. I know because I’ve dealt with depression.

    If you disagree with a post or think it might be misinterpreted wrong by the OP maybe next time send a pm with your concerns instead of being a jerk about it and calling people dumbasses and morons.

    I’m not a mental health professional, I was only speaking from experience because I’ve dealt with the lows associated with depression.

    If people take offense to my advice then I apologize, maybe I worded it the wrong way and it is being misinterpreted.
    Last edited by health4life24; 11-10-2018 at 04:28 PM.
    *If you're worried about overtraining, chances are you are actually undertraining. Don't be afraid to push yourself beyond what you think you can do.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts