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    Need Honest Opinions/Help - Physique Competition

    All,

    Brand new to this forum and I'm putting myself out there asking for some help. Over the last 16 months I've lost about 50 lbs (Diet & Exercise, Imagine that!) Anyway, I'm thinking about entering a Masters Physique competition in May of '19 and would like some honest feedback on if I'm wasting my time or not.

    I'm 48 years old.. 170lbs. I figure I need to lose another 15-20lbs before a competition. I know I still have some back fat I need to get rid of. BTW - I'm 5'9"

    Any insights and feedback would be much appreciated!

    Thanks!
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    Congratulations on the progress!!!

    (I’ll leave the advice to the experts.)
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    Originally Posted by JLMohawk View Post
    Brand new to this forum
    Welcome. I'm not new, but haven't posted much in the last 3-4 years.

    Originally Posted by JLMohawk View Post
    Over the last 16 months I've lost about 50 lbs (Diet & Exercise, Imagine that!)
    Nice. Congrats. I've lost 80 pounds since Oct 2017.



    Originally Posted by JLMohawk View Post
    Anyway, I'm thinking about entering a Masters Physique competition
    I've thought about that too, now that I can see my abs. HAHAHA. Do 6'8" guys do competitions like that? So I'm curious to see the replies to your post.
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    Congrats on your transformation, you look awesome. I would say not a waste of time at all.
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    Originally Posted by JLMohawk View Post
    All,

    Brand new to this forum and I'm putting myself out there asking for some help. Over the last 16 months I've lost about 50 lbs (Diet & Exercise, Imagine that!) Anyway, I'm thinking about entering a Masters Physique competition in May of '19 and would like some honest feedback on if I'm wasting my time or not.

    I'm 48 years old.. 170lbs. I figure I need to lose another 15-20lbs before a competition. I know I still have some back fat I need to get rid of. BTW - I'm 5'9"

    Any insights and feedback would be much appreciated!

    Thanks!
    JLM


    Legs? Upper back?



    Can't tell much from the pics you linked.
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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    Legs? Upper back?



    Can't tell much from the pics you linked.
    If he's going to do physique, he'll be wearing board shorts so legs, other than calves, are a wash. He'll also be doing half turns and not flexing, so upper back is not really going to be much of a factor. The thing the OP will need to do is get his body fat down to ~9% and hold onto enough muscle to keep from looking like he's been on the Bataan death march.
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    Originally Posted by Bo_Flecks View Post
    If he's going to do physique, he'll be wearing board shorts so legs, other than calves, are a wash. He'll also be doing half turns and not flexing, so upper back is not really going to be much of a factor. The thing the OP will need to do is get his body fat down to ~9% and hold onto enough muscle to keep from looking like he's been on the Bataan death march.

    To each his own, I guess.
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    You can't out-train bad nutrition.

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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    To each his own, I guess.
    I have heard the physique competition described by the judges as looking for more of a male model type body. The stagers often get frustrated with the physique competitors spending time back stage trying to pump up. After all, they are going to walk the T, not flex and pose. No disrespect to physique competitors, but it is what it is.
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    Originally Posted by Bo_Flecks View Post
    I have heard the physique competition described by the judges as looking for more of a male model type body. The stagers often get frustrated with the physique competitors spending time back stage trying to pump up. After all, they are going to walk the T, not flex and pose. No disrespect to physique competitors, but it is what it is.
    Thanks for the replies guys.. My legs are coming along.. Here is my back photo's. I need some work but again just wondering if I commit 4 months to a contest if I would at least be worthy of the stage..
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    Originally Posted by JLMohawk View Post
    Thanks for the replies guys.. My legs are coming along.. Here is my back photo's. I need some work but again just wondering if I commit 4 months to a contest if I would at least be worthy of the stage..
    Your upper looks good; better than most who post here.

    Your goals are your own, of course, but it looks like you have the potential to go beyond needing board shorts.
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    Originally Posted by Bo_Flecks View Post
    If he's going to do physique, he'll be wearing board shorts so legs, other than calves, are a wash. He'll also be doing half turns and not flexing, so upper back is not really going to be much of a factor. The thing the OP will need to do is get his body fat down to ~9% and hold onto enough muscle to keep from looking like he's been on the Bataan death march.
    There are actually physique competitions where the competitors don't show their thighs and don't flex? Wow, I had no idea and that seems crazy to me. I assumed a physique class was similar to bodybuilding but just with less muscle development but obviously I don't pay any attention to any form of competition.
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    Originally Posted by JLMohawk View Post
    All,

    Brand new to this forum and I'm putting myself out there asking for some help. Over the last 16 months I've lost about 50 lbs (Diet & Exercise, Imagine that!) Anyway, I'm thinking about entering a Masters Physique competition in May of '19 and would like some honest feedback on if I'm wasting my time or not.

    I'm 48 years old.. 170lbs. I figure I need to lose another 15-20lbs before a competition. I know I still have some back fat I need to get rid of. BTW - I'm 5'9"

    Any insights and feedback would be much appreciated!

    Thanks!
    JLM
    If you are interested in competing then go for it! I don't know anything about actual competitions and for me it's too subjective to ever want to complete myself but it looks like you have enough muscle to do it. If it's a goal of yours it might be worth doing it just for the experience regardless of your actual placing.
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    IMHO, honestly...

    I think a lot of guys who don’t follow competition get confused between the various divisions. Im not going to say DON’T do men’s physique, because first off, I can’t tell from those pics, and second, I don’t know what your local competition is like.

    BUT, men’s physique isn’t “bodybuilding lite” like many people think, it’s an entirely different animal. It’s stage presents and good looks, to start with. If you aren’t generally attractive and charismatic, your at a disadvantage. Physiquewise your success is based more on your genetics than your development. You NEED those wide shoulders, narrow waist, and shapely calves before you even start with adding muscle.

    Competative Bodybuilding is a much more forgiving sport. Sure, a good shape helps, but muscular development, and extreme cuts are more important. I’ve seen ugly guys with a blocky waiste, but lots of muscles and cuts do very well in bodybuilding, who would get laughed off the stage in physique.

    IMHO (as a fan, not a competitor) physique is actually “harder” to succeed in than bodybuilding (natural, at a local level).

    I don’t know...I wouldn’t do well in physique, but might survive in bodybuilding, and your upper body looks similar to mine. Put on some board shorts, give us a few sexy full body poses, with a smile on your face, and I’ll give you a better opinion.
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    IMHO, honestly...


    , it’s an entirely different animal. It’s stage presents and good looks, to start with. .

    Dont forget a good haircut (srs)

    Think male model competition.
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    Originally Posted by tblodg15 View Post
    If you are interested in competing then go for it! I don't know anything about actual competitions and for me it's too subjective to ever want to complete myself but it looks like you have enough muscle to do it. If it's a goal of yours it might be worth doing it just for the experience regardless of your actual placing.
    This was my first thought. I had always wanted to compete and finally got the cherries to do it a few years ago. I just wanted to do it for the experience but I ended up placing better than I thought, against a group of kids half my age, and I was hooked. In fact, I was just looking over the 2019 schedule to pick the shows I want to do.

    Grubman has it down pretty well as far as the look they are going for. And, imo, calves don't even matter in physique. It's really all about delt width, lat width, attractive taper to a tight waist, and finally some ab development.

    From your pics, honestly, it would not be a waste of time. If you want to compete, do it! You'll always be wishing you had. Fuk everyone else; do it for you.
    I'm 5-8 and have been competing at 150 at around 8%
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    Competing is do much fun! And it's a fantastic motivator, for me at least. It really is the best thing I've ever done for my training; it gives you amazing focus.
    I think you are right on with coming down to around 155 as well. I'd do novice and 40+ classes. Look into the OCB schedulefor 2019
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    Solid potential. If it’s an interest of yours, do it.
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    Originally Posted by Vampirelol View Post
    Solid potential. If it’s an interest of yours, do it.
    All,

    Thanks very much for the honest feedback! I'll keep at it...
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    Best advice is to go to a show and see what you think. I don't think you need to lose any more than 10-12 pounds. It's none of my business if you're natural or not, but IMHO you can definitely do well in a Natural Masters class, and though it would be tougher you could certainly hold your own in a Non-Tested Masters class. An advantage guys on gear have is that they can hold onto muscle better in a calorie deficit, so most of those guys are ripped AND muscular. Many Natural Masters contestants are either ripped and not very big or less cut and bigger. The few that are both are the top guys. I say go for it! Good Luck!
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    Hey All,

    I officially signed up today for the OCB Jersey Natural Open - May 18th Burlington, NJ.. Just going to work hard and go for it!!

    I’ll keep posting on progress from time to time which will help me stay focused..

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    ^^^Good for you man!! Funny, I literally just signed up for my first spring show tonight too! April 13th and then I'll do May 18th as well; in NH.

    What division are you doing?

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    Thanks Man! Thanks for the well wishes.. I’m doing Novice and 40+..

    Honestly I would truly appreciate it if I could bounce some things off of you and/or get some feedback as I go through this journey? I think it’s great your doing a couple of shows as well early next year so we’ll be working toward the 18th at the same time..

    I’m literally doing it on my own so any insight especially from someone who has done it would be awesome!!

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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    Your upper looks good; better than most who post here.

    Your goals are your own, of course, but it looks like you have the potential to go beyond needing board shorts.
    Agreed. If your legs are looking good I would suggest doing the classic physique category. They come in a bit leaner compared to physique but not as big as the bb's. You'll be a good fit in OCB so no worries there. Learn the mandatory poses and you'll be fine.

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    Originally Posted by JLMohawk View Post
    I’m doing Novice and 40+.
    Physique or Bodybuilding?

    Either way, tons of respect for going for it! It’ll be awsome to watch your progress and success!
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    Originally Posted by kimm4 View Post
    Agreed. If your legs are looking good I would suggest doing the classic physique category. They come in a bit leaner compared to physique but not as big as the bb's. You'll be a good fit in OCB so no worries there. Learn the mandatory poses and you'll be fine.

    Congrats on your weight loss so far and good luck!
    Thank you so much.. Just looking at your website and training thread, very impressive! I truly appreciate your feedback....

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    Originally Posted by grubman View Post
    Physique or Bodybuilding?

    Either way, tons of respect for going for it! It’ll be awsome to watch your progress and success!
    Thanks Grubman.. Going to do Physique.

    I don't think I'm big enough for Bodybuilding division? I'm really green here though so all this is new to me. I'm doing a lot of research on contest prep work now. I'm going to post progress and if I'm fortunate enough to continue to receive feedback as I go maybe think differently. Kim mentioned Classic Physique which I hadn't thought about either.

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    After the horror stories that I've read regarding "peak week," I suggest that you do a mock one or two, and from your schedule, you should have time to do so because many people seem to screw things up for the day of the show and then lament "I looked much better the day AFTER the show!"
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    Originally Posted by JLMohawk View Post
    Going to do Physique.

    I don't think I'm big enough for Bodybuilding division? I'm really green here though so all this is new to me.
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    I would suggest attending a few shows in your area if you are really concerned. We can chat about our thoughts but actually seeing the competition, competitors, and process might help you decide if it's something you would enjoy. You can also review video of shows but it's not quite the same as sitting in the audience JMO.

    If you are going to spend months preparing perhaps spend a few days reviewing real shows prior to committing? People get all kinds of crazy ideas when the show/competition is all in their imagination.
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    As others have stated mens fitness physique is more about "looks" than anything else, of course you will need to be in shape, but muscles that are important in bodybuilding, i.e. Back/traps, quads, thickness/mass wont be an issue, you will need a V taper, abs, small waist, round shoulders and good looks.
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    Originally Posted by EjnarKolinkar View Post
    I would suggest attending a few shows in your area if you are really concerned. We can chat about our thoughts but actually seeing the competition, competitors, and process might help you decide if it's something you would enjoy. You can also review video of shows but it's not quite the same as sitting in the audience JMO.

    If you are going to spend months preparing perhaps spend a few days reviewing real shows prior to committing? People get all kinds of crazy ideas when the show/competition is all in their imagination.
    Yes - I'm definitely going to look into attending at least one show live. I have been watching a lot of footage of shows on YouTube..

    I'm "all-in" as far as wanting to do it as I've become a bit OCD'ish with the idea of seeing how far I can take my body naturally while still maintaining some semblance of a normal day to day life, as I have a day job, kids, etc...
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    Originally Posted by bodyhard View Post
    As others have stated mens fitness physique is more about "looks" than anything else, of course you will need to be in shape, but muscles that are important in bodybuilding, i.e. Back/traps, quads, thickness/mass wont be an issue, you will need a V taper, abs, small waist, round shoulders and good looks.
    As far as looks go, realizing it's subjective I hope and think I should be OK. I'll post some full pictures down the road and if I get "boo'd" off the board due to looks then I will have to reassess. The V Taper, small waist, and round shoulders is something I'm going to need some help with as far as if I'm in the ball park, that's where I hop to get feedback. Currently sitting at a 31" waist, I have fat to lose for sure..

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