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    Originally Posted by WestAfrica View Post
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    At some point you'd think these people would realize that if there's a mass shooting in this country, it's probably going to be some deranged American who has ready access to however many guns he wants.
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    Doesn't look Middle Eastern to me.
    Does that really matter ? This was a tragedy that didn't have to happen if soldiers were given better mental health care after coming home .
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    At some point you'd think these people would realize that if there's a mass shooting in this country, it's probably going to be some deranged American who has ready access to however many guns he wants.
    Deranged ? Really ? come on you are smarter than that .
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    Nothing can be done to prevent these tragedies.
    Wait, are you telling me our "thoughts and prayers aren't working?

    da phuk?

    And btw, y'all are welcome for me banning the idiot Mimsey or these threads would be intolerable.

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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    "The United States has had more mass shootings than any other country. The overwhelming majority of perpetrators are white males who act alone, and they generally either die by suicide afterwards or are restrained or killed by law enforcement officers or civilians."
    America doesn’t actually lead the world in mass shootings

    Of the 86 countries where we have identified mass public shootings, the US ranks 56th per capita in its rate of attacks and 61st in mass public shooting murder rate. Norway, Finland, Switzerland and Russia all have at least 45 percent higher rates of murder from mass public shootings than the United States.
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    Nothing can be done to prevent these tragedies.
    agreed
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    How many times will you be wrong?
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    Nothing can be done to prevent these tragedies.
    Completely agree. That's why I teach active shooter scenarios for one of my jobs. At the end of the day, you can only protect yourself with whatever tools you have at your disposal so I try and get people to think clearly about how to best use that in a situation.

    I've taught 2 different groups so far this week. Both groups were really thankful while also sad at the same time that this is where we are as a country. Both also understood that those gun free signs (one was a campus) didn't do anything to stop mass shootings.

    But I guess it's just easier to change facebook pictures to flags and ban ghost gun assault rifle automatic cannon guns. Oh wait, this last one was a handgun. Hmmm......

    Or we can look at the medication administration in this country and why damn near every (if not all) mass shooting is by someone on anti-psych drugs (not counting actual religious terrorist attacks)
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    Originally Posted by US_Ranger View Post
    Completely agree. That's why I teach active shooter scenarios for one of my jobs. At the end of the day, you can only protect yourself with whatever tools you have at your disposal so I try and get people to think clearly about how to best use that in a situation.

    I've taught 2 different groups so far this week. Both groups were really thankful while also sad at the same time that this is where we are as a country. Both also understood that those gun free signs (one was a campus) didn't do anything to stop mass shootings.

    But I guess it's just easier to change facebook pictures to flags and ban ghost gun assault rifle automatic cannon guns. Oh wait, this last one was a handgun. Hmmm......

    Or we can look at the medication administration in this country and why damn near every (if not all) mass shooting is by someone on anti-psych drugs (not counting actual religious terrorist attacks)
    Is this a private thing you do or is it part of police/military training? I'd like to find some advanced gun training in my area but most places only offer basic courses
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    If you want to read why that study is extremely misleading read here

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/un...ath-shootings/

    Norway had one mas shooting in the 20th century, but due to it's small size a d the large number killed in that event it ranks above the US.

    That is extremely misleading
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    Originally Posted by US_Ranger View Post
    Completely agree. That's why I teach active shooter scenarios for one of my jobs. At the end of the day, you can only protect yourself with whatever tools you have at your disposal so I try and get people to think clearly about how to best use that in a situation.

    I've taught 2 different groups so far this week. Both groups were really thankful while also sad at the same time that this is where we are as a country. Both also understood that those gun free signs (one was a campus) didn't do anything to stop mass shootings.

    But I guess it's just easier to change facebook pictures to flags and ban ghost gun assault rifle automatic cannon guns. Oh wait, this last one was a handgun. Hmmm......

    Or we can look at the medication administration in this country and why damn near every (if not all) mass shooting is by someone on anti-psych drugs (not counting actual religious terrorist attacks)
    My gf (teacher) has had a couple of these classes, had one like a week ago. Do they teach them to rush the shooter and use whatever they have at their disposal to subdue the shooter (hands, legs, claw, grab, etc)?
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    Nothing can be done to prevent these tragedies.
    CA has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. He bought his weapon legally. It was not an assault rifle. It's illegal to carry in a bar.

    What more do you want? He was known, and formerly investigated by LE. You tell me where the failure was....
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    Nothing can be done to prevent these tragedies.
    What law would have prevented it?
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Terrible, just terrible, nothing can be done. We should post guards everywhere, make everyone carry.

    Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat.

    How many mass shooting is that this year now?
    For once and for all, give us the Sillie solution. What needs to be done?
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    Originally Posted by WestAfrica View Post
    My gf (teacher) has had a couple of these classes, had one like a week ago. Do they teach them to rush the shooter and use whatever they have at their disposal to subdue the shooter (hands, legs, claw, grab, etc)?
    It's as follows: RUN. HIDE. FIGHT. In that order. However, when fight is the only option: If multiple people bum-rush an active shooter, they will overcome, given enough people and close distance. I've done these classes in a middle/high school setting: a class of pampered middle schoolers can take an active shooter with an AR out with minimal casualties, if they act fast and hard. Guaranteed.
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    Originally Posted by Stizzel View Post
    Is this a private thing you do or is it part of police/military training? I'd like to find some advanced gun training in my area but most places only offer basic courses
    Private thing. I did threat assessment work for a bit with one of my old government jobs so I just try to help out when I can with places that need a plan in place (usually for free) and also at one of my now jobs that requires some sort of training for all new employees.

    Originally Posted by WestAfrica View Post
    My gf (teacher) has had a couple of these classes, had one like a week ago. Do they teach them to rush the shooter and use whatever they have at their disposal to subdue the shooter (hands, legs, claw, grab, etc)?
    Depends on who's teaching but yes (if the situation warrants it)

    For instance, I just did one on Tuesday. With the way the doors were set up (windows in the center), barricading is only temporary if someone wants in. The hinges on the door behind the main door were pretty weak so 2 shotgun blasts would take the door off (if the shooter had a shotgun) BUT barricading behind 2 doors would make it a harder target than moving on so that was the immediate plan.

    If shooter gets through that part, fire extinguishers are one of the best weapons you can possibly use against a shooter. Spray with one (right at the face) and then hit with another (they're heavy). I also put 2 tourniquets on the wall near the barricade spot as well as a chest seal in case of gunshot wounds to anyone innocent.

    Every training depends on people working, location, door set up, hallway set up, 1st floor, 2nd floor, windows, etc. So every plan is different depending on all of that.
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    Originally Posted by 7rmr View Post
    If you want to read why that study is extremely misleading read here

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/un...ath-shootings/

    Norway had one mas shooting in the 20th century, but due to it's small size a d the large number killed in that event it ranks above the US.

    That is extremely misleading
    And yet, Snopes still says it's true. Per capita, the US doesn't lead the world in mass shootings. Not even close.

    It'd be like if there were only two countries in the world. One with a population of 100, and one with a population of 100 million. If there is a single mass shooting in the 100 population country but it kills all 100 people, and there's a mass shooting every month in the 100 million country that kills 5 people every time, which one is safer?

    Sure, there are more single incidents in the 100 million population country, but as a whole they're much rarer and less deadly.
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    It's as follows: RUN. HIDE. FIGHT. In that order. However, when fight is the only option: If multiple people bum-rush an active shooter, they will overcome, given enough people and close distance. I've done these classes in a middle/high school setting: a class of pampered middle schoolers can take an active shooter with an AR out with minimal casualties, if they act fast and hard. Guaranteed.
    is this........ satire?
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    Originally Posted by JewishSuperHero View Post
    is this........ satire?
    No, a few people have recommended it in the past.

    On dark days, like yesterday, I often consider the idea as well. We would have to teach children to ignore fear, which would make us very North Korean, in my opinion. We'd also have to get parents to buy into their kid would be sacrificed at any given moment (and taught this by the school system).

    Assuming all of that happens, it could work. But again, we'd have to become a more cult like society to train kids at that age that their lives don't matter (in the short term) in order to preserve the lives of others (life matters in the long term).
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    Originally Posted by fitnessislife View Post
    For once and for all, give us the Sillie solution. What needs to be done?
    I've already laid it out. Any hint of mental illness = no guns. Purchase a gun = register like a car. You sell a gun privately that's involved in a crime = You go to jail too.

    These types of shootings would decline dramatically. But the NRA has conservatives like y'all in their pockets so this tragedy will do nothing more than increase gun sales as the lemmings are told that their gunz will be taken away so BETTER BUY MORE NOW!~!!~!!!
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    Originally Posted by poison View Post
    It's as follows: RUN. HIDE. FIGHT. In that order. However, when fight is the only option: If multiple people bum-rush an active shooter, they will overcome, given enough people and close distance. I've done these classes in a middle/high school setting: a class of pampered middle schoolers can take an active shooter with an AR out with minimal casualties, if they act fast and hard. Guaranteed.
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    is this........ satire?
    No it is true ....
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    Originally Posted by rhadam View Post
    Bahahahahahaha trying to validate your insensitive attitude just shows how truly ignorant and immature you are. It’s called empathy, you should look it up. Turning a tragedy in to your platform for your hatred of a political party is sickening. How would you like it if one of the dead was your mother or father or your child and someone used their death to further an agenda? You are the worst kind of person and the fact that you are trying to validate it just shows the depth of your toxic mentality. I truly feel sorry for you and anyone else siding with you.


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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    I've already laid it out. Any hint of mental illness = no guns.
    This is just too vague and is no solution...nobody will argue mentally unfit ppl should own firearms.
    But I mean what's a hint? Prescribed zoloft 10yrs ago for post partum depression?

    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Purchase a gun = register like a car.
    After any event, one of the first details to break is how the assailant obtained the weapon used...
    Sell me on what a registration would accomplish

    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    You sell a gun privately that's involved in a crime = You go to jail too.
    This is pretty much already in use. If i privately sell a gun to someone who would not pass a background check, I am liable for prosecution
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    I've already laid it out. Any hint of mental illness = no guns. Purchase a gun = register like a car. You sell a gun privately that's involved in a crime = You go to jail too.

    These types of shootings would decline dramatically. But the NRA has conservatives like y'all in their pockets so this tragedy will do nothing more than increase gun sales as the lemmings are told that their gunz will be taken away so BETTER BUY MORE NOW!~!!~!!!
    I'd take it 2 steps further: people that are prescribed psychotropic drugs (including heavy sleep medication) are not allowed to own guns. Also, no person is allowed to own guns in a house where a mentally ill/mentally medicated person resides.

    It's a stupidly simple concept; yet when guns are your god, reality tends to escape.
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    facts scare you huh

    there, there
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    How could this happen ? ?

    I thought California banned high capacity clips? ?
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