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    didn't the coaching staff said that they could have done the same with any good QB? LOL f'ing idiots

    better sell some vets and prepare for next season
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    I was talking with a friend and asked the question: was Belichick too confident in himself and thought he could plug in any QB and be competitive or did he not land the QB he wanted?

    Our offense struggled last season with Brady and we didn't add any offensive weapons outside the draft. Maybe he thought the TEs we drafted would make an impact and Harry would take a big leap forward.

    I really can't blame our defense for our losses. They haven't played well, but when your offense sucks and can't put points up, at some point your defense breaks down.

    I gave Cam and the offense the benefit of the doubt that the struggles last week was because of COVID issues, but today confirmed I was wrong. Cam looked atrocious today. His throwing motion is hideous and he can't make routine throws. I think we give him one more week and if we lose, I'd say throw Stidham in for the rest of the season and hope he develops.

    Overall, this season could get ugly. Luckily, we still play the Bills twice which could get us back into contention, but I won't hold my breathe.
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    It has been rough watching the last couple of weeks. The chiefs game was hot garbage even though the defense played lights out.

    The broncos gave a lifeline later on with two drew lock INTs but still couldn't punch it in.

    This week was just pure garbage.
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    I mean we all know the team would suck at some point sooner or later but the last 3 year feels like BB ego got the best of him... Yes we were competitive (even last year) but the team never looked right... Letting Tommy go WITHOUT a clear replacement was stupid - Tommy is playing lights out in Tampa and here we are watching Cam throwing 90 yds with 3 ints...

    I will be cool with a crappy season IF we get a high pick and go after a good QB but we all know BB ego won't let him "lose some games" to get a high pick - We also have players to trade and get great return but again: Will BB pull the plug and start the rebuilding process?

    Also, remember when every player said that playing for BB was hard but the winning made things better? Now what? who is gonna put up with his BS if they are not winning?

    as Rex Ryan said:
    I don’t think they realize how huge a loss this is gonna be. It’s easy to dismiss — ‘well, Tom Brady’s getting older, he’s old, this and that.’ Yeah, he was still the best player you had on offense. So to me, I’m excited to see the demise of the Patriots, so to speak
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    Their draft this year has been ATROCIOUS.

    Kyle Dugger has been ok
    Anfrenee Jennings hasn't made much of an impact
    The 2 tight ends haven't dressed
    The kicker is is on the practice squad
    Owenu has been good, Herron has seen limited time and is now hurt
    Josh Uche hasn't played and is now on IR.

    N'Keal Harry is a bust. He CANNOT get open.
    Bailey, Cowart, Winovich, Harris. have contributed, Williams hasn't made much of an impact.
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    Originally Posted by camaleom View Post
    Also, remember when every player said that playing for BB was hard but the winning made things better? Now what? who is gonna put up with his BS if they are not winning?
    Good point. It will be interesting to see how the Patriots respond to this adversity. I could see a lot of turnover this offseason if we continue to struggle.

    While Belichick is getting a lot of the heat, why aren't we pointing out fingers at McDaniels? He's the offensive play caller and our offense is hot garbage right now. He's done nothing to help get the offense rolling. First few games we were running the offense well with run pass options, but seems we've gotten away from that and put the ball in the arm of Newton which we've seen isn't the answer. I know it's hard when we have no TEs, our WRs suck and all you can do is dump it off to our backs, but McDaniels needs to get better.

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    Their draft this year has been ATROCIOUS.

    Kyle Dugger has been ok
    Anfrenee Jennings hasn't made much of an impact
    The 2 tight ends haven't dressed
    The kicker is is on the practice squad
    Owenu has been good, Herron has seen limited time and is now hurt
    Josh Uche hasn't played and is now on IR.

    N'Keal Harry is a bust. He CANNOT get open.
    Bailey, Cowart, Winovich, Harris. have contributed, Williams hasn't made much of an impact.
    I think this is the biggest issue with this season. Belichick addressed a number of position concerns with the draft, but no one has contributed enough to get the team to a level he thought they would be at.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    While Belichick is getting a lot of the heat, why aren't we pointing out fingers at McDaniels?
    I am not a McDaniels guy but let's be honest: Tom didn't leave because of McDaniels.

    If we got Howards when he was available last year and got a fast WR and not a turd (Harry) I think Brady will be here today.
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    Originally Posted by camaleom View Post
    I am not a McDaniels guy but let's be honest: Tom didn't leave because of McDaniels.

    If we got Howards when he was available last year and got a fast WR and not a turd (Harry) I think Brady will be here today.
    I'm not a McDaniels guy either, but there is nothing at WR and TE. McDaniels was TERRIBLE last year, but this year, they're junk
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    You know what would be awesome...? Ryan Fitzmagic to take us to the Super Bowl. Sadly, won't happen because Miami is in our division, but would be legit.

    Also, what are the chances we sign Dak next season? Assuming we don't continue to suck and don't get a low enough pick to draft a QB.
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    Ryan Fitzmagic in a BB system would rewrite the history books. Brady would literally need to beg to get back with BB for him to have any hope of accomplishing 50% of what Fitzmagic could do.
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    Maybe Belichick will finally have another great draft now we'll be picking at the start of every round.

    I knew this year would be a wash, I wanted Cam to do well but with what weapons? Better to pack it in and look to rebuilding if we haven't already.
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    The season isn't over. They are going to keep trying to win. It's a tough schedule, but the Bills don't look like they're guaranteed to run away with the division and with two games against them, a lot can change.

    Mind you, the last two weeks we've regressed, but you have to remember we were able to play well in our first 4 games.

    We need to get back to the run pass option with Cam. His strength is running the ball and throwing to his first read. McDaniels will figure out how to get Edelman back in the offense and we'll do better.

    I mentioned in another thread, I think we could easily look at a 7-9 season if things don't shape up.
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    I mentioned in another thread, I think we could easily look at a 7-9 season if things don't shape up.
    Bills (twice), Ravens, Chargers, Cardinals, Rams, Houston & Miami all still to come.
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    Originally Posted by HoganIsGOAT View Post
    Bills (twice), Ravens, Chargers, Cardinals, Rams, Houston & Miami all still to come.
    I think we split with Bills. Ravens, Chargers, Cardinals, Rams we lose. Houston and Miami we beat.
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    if we lose against the Bills I think the season is a wrap... we will lose imo: Ravens, Cardinals, Houston 50-50 and we have never played Miami good in their own stadium.

    "Mind you, the last two weeks we've regressed, but you have to remember we were able to play well in our first 4 games."

    I don't think we have regressed, more like teams know what we are trying to do offensively and adjusted. Now they know they can load up the box 8-9 guys and we don't have anybody to beat them deep.
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    Just saw a trade rumor that we might be looking to deal Cam to a team like Dallas. I wouldn't mind that, but I don't see us getting really anything out of it. I'd say send Newton to Dallas and send Dalton to us.
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    Gilmore put the house on the market...

    man if we lose against the Bills I still think we will be selling FAST before the deadline.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    Just saw a trade rumor that we might be looking to deal Cam to a team like Dallas. I wouldn't mind that, but I don't see us getting really anything out of it. I'd say send Newton to Dallas and send Dalton to us.
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    Originally Posted by camaleom View Post
    Gilmore put the house on the market...

    man if we lose against the Bills I still think we will be selling FAST before the deadline.
    Belichick said he doesn't know anything about those trade rumors (shocker, right) and Gilmore's wife laughed at the idea it was their house. I wouldn't be surprised either way.

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    How about Newton and Gilmore for Dalton and Gallup?
    I mean, that wouldn't happen, but I'd take it.

    It's hard to imagine us trading Gilmore. He's 30 and I don't see us getting a 1st rounder for him and anything less I don't see the value. Unless we can trade him for a stud offensive talent, I'd rather have Gilmore. He and JC Jackson are a legit combo.
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    Edelman hasn't practice much if any this week (knee) and Harry had head injury (concussion)...

    Glad it suppose to be very windy cause we have no one to throw the football to...
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    Slater said that at times against SF that the team didn't put forth the normal effort. Normally, I wouldn't think twice about it since we were getting destroyed, but for Slater to come out and say that and how disappointed he was in their efforts is concerning. Belichick led teams don't act that way. I hope the team isn't already giving up on the season.

    This week with Edelman out and likely Harry as well, we could be in for a rough day.
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    Yikes. Looks like no Gilmore, Edelman or Harry this week. Belichick made it seem like Edelman might miss the rest of the season with his injury. If we lose this week, might as well call it a season.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    Yikes. Looks like no Gilmore, Edelman or Harry this week. Belichick made it seem like Edelman might miss the rest of the season with his injury. If we lose this week, might as well call it a season.
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    Trade Gilmore for Mike Evans. I'd be okay with that
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    Trade Gilmore for Mike Evans. I'd be okay with that
    I actually think trading him for Mike Thomas would also make sense.
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    Bill complaining about issues with cap space lol he didn't say anything about his poor record drafting the last few years
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    Originally Posted by camaleom View Post
    Bill complaining about issues with cap space lol he didn't say anything about his poor record drafting the last few years
    They're always below the cap. Maybe he shouldn't draft 2 tight end and then not play them.
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    Bill complaining about issues with cap space lol he didn't say anything about his poor record drafting the last few years
    I will never understand how we're always simultaneously cheap and cash strapped at the same time, who the hell are we paying
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    BB has always go for depth... he will rather pay 10 guys 1million than one guy 10 millions. Also dead money from bad deals and players that left are not helping either.
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