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    Originally Posted by drbaig View Post
    I wonder what the team meeting would have been like today. I would hope it was a ****ing funeral in there with Bill ripping everyone to shreds.

    The whole team played poorly yesterday. Brain fart end of 2nd Q by Brady. Ghost missing PAT and FGs. Defense missing tackles. And that farce at the end of the game.

    Bad coaching, bad team performance. Miami is a weird place. On to Pittsburgh.
    Bill should be ripping himself while he's at it. He chose to put Gronk in on the final play of the game instead of a safety, when everybody on the team but him knew that Ryan fukking Tannehill couldn't throw the ball 70+ yards.

    Also, not everyone played poorly. Gronk (although he isn't his old self), Edelman and Gordon had great games. Brady did too, overall (minus one rare mental mistake). In spite of a bit of weak playcalling AGAIN on offense (McDaniels kept going to the sweep run to the outside on 3rd down, which never works), the offense looks really good, overall. Special teams looked great. The run defense and the defense on the final play of the game was the drizzling shiots.
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    Originally Posted by HoganIsGOAT View Post
    I call it like I see it. I posted that the game essentially ended our Super Bowl hopes for this season. Help me understand how that's an overreaction considering the Patriots history of road versus home playoff games and what we've seen of their play on the road this season.

    Literally, you are wrong. It is essentially impossible to win the #1 seed now, which changes the playoff landscape. The Patriots were only one game back while owning the tiebreaker. Now the Patriots are just fighting for a bye going into Pittsburgh next week. Does New England beat the Chiefs in Kansas City with this team? Possible but not probable. By the way, they likely don't beat the NFC representative either in a Super Bowl with their defense.
    Yes, you're over reacting IMO. We've proven we can win against good teams. We've beaten: Chiefs, @Bears, Vikings, Texans and we handily beat the Dolphins at home, further proving that we just suck in Miami. I was never expecting that we win #1 seed because I didn't think the Chiefs were going to lose, that's why I said nothing has changed.

    You're acting like other teams are playing great defense and not making mistakes which is simply not true. And the whole NFC vs AFC comparison doesn't prove we aren't better than any NFC team. We went into Chicago and beat the Bears and the Bears just beat the Rams. I've watched a lot of exciting, high scoring games with NFC teams, but that isn't how games go down against us.

    I still think we will get the #2 seed and if we go to KC for the AFC Championship, that we have a chance to beat them.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    Yes, you're over reacting IMO. We've proven we can win against good teams. We've beaten: Chiefs, @Bears, Vikings, Texans and we handily beat the Dolphins at home, further proving that we just suck in Miami. I was never expecting that we win #1 seed because I didn't think the Chiefs were going to lose, that's why I said nothing has changed.

    You're acting like other teams are playing great defense and not making mistakes which is simply not true. And the whole NFC vs AFC comparison doesn't prove we aren't better than any NFC team. We went into Chicago and beat the Bears and the Bears just beat the Rams. I've watched a lot of exciting, high scoring games with NFC teams, but that isn't how games go down against us.

    I still think we will get the #2 seed and if we go to KC for the AFC Championship, that we have a chance to beat them.
    I hope both history and logic are wrong. We both want the same thing - the Pats to win.

    At the end of the day though, you claimed I was overreacting but were able to debunk nothing I said.
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    Originally Posted by HoganIsGOAT View Post
    I hope history and logic is wrong. We both want the same thing - the Pats to win.
    LMFAO...what logic? Do you not know how football works? If teams that had history on their side would win every game they're supposed to, we wouldn't ever have to play a game again.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    LMFAO...what logic? Do you not know how football works? If teams that had history on their side would win every game they're supposed to, we wouldn't ever have to play a game again.
    What are you, 12? Grow up, hit the weights, get a clue.
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    Originally Posted by HoganIsGOAT View Post
    What are you, 12? Grow up, hit the weights, get a clue.
    You didn't answer my question. What logic? How does history determine if the Patriots will win the Super Bowl this year or not?
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    I think what Hogan means is that historically we have a bad reputation on the road in the play-offs.

    Just a statistical constatation, but it has some truth in it. That's what home field advantage can do for you.

    The only point in which you two differ is:
    - Hogan assumed KC would get lose one time more tha nus, which is why we had to win at least in Miami to get home field advantage in the AFC game (since we beat KC);
    - you assumed KC wouldn't lose any more (at least not more than us), meaning we would [i]always[i] play in KC (even if we won in Miami).

    Correct ?
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    Interesting stat:

    Since Tom Brady got Julian Edelman back in Week 5 he's been the same guy he was last season during his MVP campaign:

    2017: 66.3% completion, 286 ypg, TD-INT ratio 4.0, PFF Grade 92.9
    2018: 66.1% completion, 309 ypg, TD-INT ratio 3.5, PFF Grade 91.9
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    Well?

    Are you boys ready for some football?


    GO PATS!!!
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    Originally Posted by brighamw View Post
    Well?

    Are you boys ready for some football?


    GO PATS!!!
    Are you ready for Big Ben to drop 30+ on this D?
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    Originally Posted by GarthVader View Post
    Are you ready for Big Ben to drop 30+ on this D?
    Absolutely was just telling my buddy who's a Bears fan who says we got this in the bag meaning the Patriots, I said ya if we can outscore them I expect Ben to rip us apart with our ****ty secondary...


    If PATS win it's because they put up a 40 burger, only way.
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    Originally Posted by brighamw View Post
    Absolutely was just telling my buddy who's a Bears fan who says we got this in the bag meaning the Patriots, I said ya if we can outscore them I expect Ben to rip us apart with our ****ty secondary...


    If PATS win it's because they put up a 40 burger, only way.
    Exactly. But I half expect us to contain Ben because that’s what’s been happening this season. Hold good QBs in check while letting average QBs shred us.

    Good start, lol.
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    Originally Posted by GarthVader View Post
    Exactly. But I half expect us to contain Ben because that’s what’s been happening this season. Hold good QBs in check while letting average QBs shred us.

    Good start, lol.

    Possible 40 burger incoming lol
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    Possible 40 burger incoming lol
    Not when they keep dropping the goddam ball.
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    Originally Posted by GarthVader View Post
    Not when they keep dropping the goddam ball.
    Didnt even need a 40 burger, disappointing all the way around...
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    team is awful. getting bounced in divisional round for sure
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    Defense held them this game this one's on Brady and the offense for sure...
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    The good news, 2 home games against the Bills and Jets. Just gotta hope Texans drop another and we might jump back into 2nd

    Otherwise I'll be looking forward to finally getting a draft pick before 30
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    My scenario is still looking good.


    The Pats have a rough start to the season. They start to win more games. They may drop a few games but they finish 11-5. They don't have a 1st round bye or home field advantage. They limp through the playoffs and make it to the SB to play the Rams who seem unstoppable and have a potent offense and a really good defense. Wild Bill finds a way to neutralize both and squeak by for the SB win. Brady wins his 6th against the team that he won his first. Him and Bill retire and ride off into the sunset.

    Then the Pats fall back into mediocrity and younger fans will have to deal with a poor Pats team that misses the playoffs.
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    My scenario is still looking good.


    The Pats have a rough start to the season. They start to win more games. They may drop a few games but they finish 11-5. They don't have a 1st round bye or home field advantage. They limp through the playoffs and make it to the SB to play the Rams who seem unstoppable and have a potent offense and a really good defense. Wild Bill finds a way to neutralize both and squeak by for the SB win. Brady wins his 6th against the team that he won his first. Him and Bill retire and ride off into the sunset.

    Then the Pats fall back into mediocrity and younger fans will have to deal with a poor Pats team that misses the playoffs.


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    This team gives me the feeling of the 2010 team. That team got bounced early from the playoffs.
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    Darn, missed a good portion of the game. What happened with our offense? Stat wise doesn't look like Brady did terrible, but 3/10 on first down doesn't help. Gronk was essentially shut down. Defense only gave up 17 to Big Ben, AB and Juju which doesn't seem like a bad day.

    Nice that Miami lost so these next two games don't matter other than as a way to figure out chit out.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    Darn, missed a good portion of the game. What happened with our offense? Stat wise doesn't look like Brady did terrible, but 3/10 on first down doesn't help. Gronk was essentially shut down. Defense only gave up 17 to Big Ben, AB and Juju which doesn't seem like a bad day.

    Nice that Miami lost so these next two games don't matter other than as a way to figure out chit out.
    Nearly every significant play came back because of a penalty. Crucial 3rd down drops by Edelman and Gordon.

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    This game is 100% on the offense. Props to the defense. Shocked Bill didn't put Gilmore on JuJu and double AB84 but the plan basically worked.

    Brady is lacking his usual intensity.
    Gronk is a shell of himself, looks hurt, slow, and disinterested.
    Edelman is still contributing making a lot of really difficult catches (but dropping some easy ones).
    Gordon didn't seem to be looked at all game for some odd reason.
    Where has White disappeared to?
    OL performed well except for the penalties. Those were absolute killers.


    What is this offense's identity? I understand that Patriots have always been multiple and changing their attack week to week based on the defense, but what does this offense do well? The team seems to be playing too safe. Punt and FG on 4th and inches. Brady won't throw a 50/50 ball ever (the heave INT excepted).


    They've gotta get fired up and intense again and get that swagger/confidence back and go out there and execute.
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    I think come playoff time they'll be fine. Maybe I'm crazy, but based on how teams have played against us, it seems they treat us like it's the Super Bowl and I think that might make a difference when playoffs role around. I could be wrong though and we just aren't the team we used to be. I've seen a lot of progression this season and I think we're close.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    I think come playoff time they'll be fine. Maybe I'm crazy, but based on how teams have played against us, it seems they treat us like it's the Super Bowl and I think that might make a difference when playoffs role around. I could be wrong though and we just aren't the team we used to be. I've seen a lot of progression this season and I think we're close.
    The team is ass. They have 0 offensive rhythm, and the defense is suspect.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    Nice that Miami lost so these next two games don't matter other than as a way to figure out chit out.
    Wrong. If the Patriots lose the next two and Miami wins the next two, the Dolphins win the tie breaker and the division (and could possibly bounce the Patriots from the playoffs). At least one of these two games does matter - win one of the next two and the division is locked. Nothing is a given with this team but it will be nice to be at home for the final two, which makes losing twice highly, highly unlikely.

    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    I think come playoff time they'll be fine.
    You continue to be clueless about this. It is obvious to anyone who actually understands football. They haven't lost back to back games in December since 2002. They haven't had 5 losses in a season since 2009. This is one of the 3 worst teams the Patriots have fielded this century. They will not be fine come playoff time.

    Let's review some of what I mentioned last week shall we...

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    Don't give me the lines about the Patriots usually losing to the Dolphins in Miami. It's not going to happen with this team, they just aren't good enough.
    And what happened this week? They pissed the bed in Pittsburgh. One of us was not surprised about this.

    Originally Posted by HoganIsGOAT
    This team is far too inconsistent and making far too many mistakes this late in the season to make a deep playoff run, especially on the road
    And what happened this week? More inconsistent play and far too many mistakes this late in the season. The offense, which scored 33 points against Miami, scored just 10 points in the entire game this week. Gronkowski had 22 yards receiving. James White had 25 yards receiving (and only 12 yards rushing). Josh Gordon had one catch.

    The Patriots committed 14 penalties.

    Originally Posted by HoganIsGOAT
    Regardless of this single game, my criticisms have been consistent since the beginning of the season. This team reminds me of last season, only worse. The issues on defense which they had last season were not addressed by Bill Belichick.
    The Patriots defense let rookie 3rd string running back Jaylen Samuels rush for 142 yards with an average of 7.5 yards per carry. In fact, the Patriots defense has let their opponents average 7.64 yards per carry over the past 3 games. Running backs are abusing them to the point that it should be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

    I talked about this in October (https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1564682121)...

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    Actually, Bill didn’t address the specific need at all. The Patriots defensive linemen are slow run stoppers (who aren’t even great at that). They lack speed and athleticism and that isn’t a new problem.
    In March of this year I posted about it as well (https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1547503201)...

    Originally Posted by HoganIsGOAT
    When Brady can throw for over 500 yards in a Super Bowl, put up 33 points and they still lose by 8, that's a major red flag that must be addressed as a priority. If the Pats don't have a somewhat average pass rush and secondary, they can kiss there SB hopes goodbye. So, that's number one, followed by the offensive line. Everything else can wait, if needed.

    Overall, I haven't been a fan of this off season.
    They're 29th in quarterback sacks this season.

    I've been spouting the same talking points since the offseason and they continue to ring true.

    I also said this in October...

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    I've been talking about the defense as a major problem from the beginning - it's such an untalented group, overall.

    The biggest priority on this team right now has to be linebacker speed/coverage and pass rush.
    As I've said, the defense is a major problem - it's a largely untalented group and Bill Belichick has not addressed this issue. The offense is no longer able to overcompensate for Bill's subpar defenses on a consistent basis. Bill is going to have to sign an elite pass rusher and pay up, if they want to win another Super Bowl before Tom retires. Even that may not do it at this point. Overall, the team is just not very good compared to other Patriots teams this century. They essentially require zero margin for error to win big games.
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    The team is ass. They have 0 offensive rhythm, and the defense is suspect.
    Correct. And the dynasty is winding down - it is obvious to anyone unbiased. What an incredible, once in a lifetime run.

    Edelman is 32 and coming off of ACL surgery. Josh Gordon is good but certainly not the same receiver we saw in Cleveland and he's a free agent in the off season. Gronk is constantly riddled with injuries and his play has declined. Chris Hogan is 30 years old and a 3rd or 4th option at receiver. Sony Michel is in his rookie season and is already missing games due to injury. Tom Brady is 41 years old and hasn't played consistently great this year. The play calling has been very suspect at times and too conservative. They've dealt with a lot of injuries. The issues on defense weren't fixed in the off season. I'm not saying they can't beat anyone on any given day (they can), but it's all slowly falling apart.
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    Originally Posted by HoganIsGOAT View Post
    Wrong. If the Patriots lose the next two and Miami wins the next two, the Dolphins win the tie breaker and the division (and could possibly bounce the Patriots from the playoffs). At least one of these two games does matter - win one of the next two and the division is locked. Nothing is a given with this team but it will be nice to be at home for the final two, which makes losing twice highly, highly unlikely.



    You continue to be clueless about this. It is obvious to anyone who actually understands football. They haven't lost back to back games in December since 2002. They haven't had 5 losses in a season since 2009. This is one of the 3 worst teams the Patriots have fielded this century. They will not be fine come playoff time.
    For a team thread, you are a huge d*ck head. If you don't like what I post, don't feel the need to right a book length response back...or for that matter even respond back. Just because I'm not in here crying about how bad we are every week, doesn't mean I'm biased and only see rainbows and sunshine. I know where we struggle. I see the same stats you see. I watch the same games as you do.

    My comment about the next two games not mattering were because we aren't going to lose both of those games.

    And chill the fk out about me saying we'll be fine in the playoffs. It's my opinion. I don't see you jumping all over GarthVader for thinking we'll win the Super Bowl.
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